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Date: 03 Sep 2007 19:33:30
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Subject: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Hi all,
I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
ever viewed through one.
this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
accessible and 'fun' for him.
http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product=30076150
has anybody looked at this device in the past?
I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
suggestion...
any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
small child?
thanks
Vinu
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 20:15:36
From:
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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This was not a troll and i do appreciate the diversity of great
points, everybody, and thanks for your inputs.
he is not a mozart of astronomy yet, but he is a pretty sharp kid and
shows quite a bit of focus (pardon the pun) when it comes to things
that he is interested in - like music (classical indian).
I agree that the intuitiveness of looking straight through a refractor
or a pair of binocs would be much more beneficial right now...
well, we'll give it a shot and see how he does :)
thanks again & cheers!
Vinu
On Sep 4, 6:31 pm, j...@optcorp.com wrote:
> On Sep 3, 12:33 pm, yvin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> > he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> > ever viewed through one.
>
> > this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> > accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> >http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product...
>
> > has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> > I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> > from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> > suggestion...
>
> > any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> > small child?
>
> > thanks
> > Vinu
>
> It would be wise to stay clear of department store telescopes as their
> plastic lens and less than stable tripods do more damage to the hobby
> of astronmy then anything else. I know he is only 3 but if he sees you
> getting frustrated he will always connect that with astronomy and I
> know that's not what you had in mind. Seek out a good but low cost
> telescope with glass lens and some good eyepieces so we he does come
> of age the scope will be ready for him without the frustrations.
>
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 16:31:51
From:
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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On Sep 3, 12:33 pm, yvin...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
>
> this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product...
>
> has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> suggestion...
>
> any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> small child?
>
> thanks
> Vinu
It would be wise to stay clear of department store telescopes as their
plastic lens and less than stable tripods do more damage to the hobby
of astronmy then anything else. I know he is only 3 but if he sees you
getting frustrated he will always connect that with astronomy and I
know that's not what you had in mind. Seek out a good but low cost
telescope with glass lens and some good eyepieces so we he does come
of age the scope will be ready for him without the frustrations.
OPTwebman
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 06:18:56
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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How about an inexpensive monocular? He can use it to look at just about
anything.
http://www.eagleoptics.com/index.asp?pid=3526 This is a 6x16.
For $30 with shipping it's expensive for a 3-year old, but... it doesn't
have to be used exclusively by him. ;-)
Eagle sells their own brand 7x18 monocular for $25, but I tried one and
found it to be unacceptable.
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 04:25:50
From: David Nakamoto
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 06:36:57
From: David Nakamoto
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Too young.
He cannot use a telescope by himself, so unless there is always an adult
on the ready who is willing to learn astronomy and work the telescope
for the child, this is a no-brainer; no telescope until he can work it
RESPONSIBLY. A telescope is not a toy.
-- Dave
yvinu73@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
>
> this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product=30076150
>
> has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> suggestion...
>
> any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> small child?
>
> thanks
> Vinu
>
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 22:13:34
From: LarryG
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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On Sep 3, 2:33 pm, yvin...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
>
> this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product...
>
> has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> suggestion...
>
> any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> small child?
>
> thanks
> Vinu
Toy telescopes and binoculars may be perfect for a young child.
They are intuitively simple to use, and the minimal investment
means that you won't be overly distraught should the thing be
damaged or end up missing.
Such things usually have very low power, and erect images. The
optical system is frequently a Galilean telescope, made with plastic
lenses. (Glass lenses are dangerous, because they can be more
easily shattered into small, sharp pieces which are best kept out
of the hands and mouths of small children.)
Even then, I'm not sure that three years old is quite ready for such
a toy. Consider a kaleidascope, or similar novelty.
Cheers,
larry g.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 16:18:06
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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That is indeed very young.
I'd recommend a refractor though. It's far more intuitive - the thing
points to where you want to look, and when you push the scope one way
or the other, it moves in a consisent fashion (a image ercetor might
be necessary, too).
In the scope you show, he might be able to get used to pointing it
once he has an object in the eyepice, but it'll be a trick to learn
how to relate where the scope needs to point. An additional finder
might be helpful if you insist on this scope - liek a Rigel finder, or
even just a tube to sight along.
>yvinu73@gmail.com wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
>he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
>ever viewed through one.
>
>this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
>accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
>http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product=30076150
>
>has anybody looked at this device in the past?
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:31:56
From: Per Erik Jorde
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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SkySea <SkySea@aolREMOVE.com > writes:
> I'd recommend a refractor though. It's far more intuitive
I tend to agree. I bought said telescope to my 5 year daughter, and
while she has no trouble using it I need to point it for her.
Needless to say, while I finally take my eye from the eypiece, she
has lost her attention and stated jumping around...
pej
--
Per Erik Jorde
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 15:28:25
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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<yvinu73@gmail.com > wrote
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
Despite some posters' suggestions that 3 is too young, your nephew shouldn't
have any trouble enjoying using a simple $15 cardboard refractor kit, like
this:
http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3071473
You'll have to build it, but he can use it... under supervision when the sun
is out. As others have said, he must never point it at the sun.
BTW, I know a 2-1/2 year old who can operate his father's laptop computer to
the extent that he can, on his own, watch his DVD's of trains and trucks.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 22:34:58
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Howard Lester wrote:
>
> Despite some posters' suggestions that 3 is too young, your nephew shouldn't
> have any trouble enjoying using a simple $15 cardboard refractor kit, like
> this:
>
> http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3071473
>
> You'll have to build it, but he can use it... under supervision when the sun
> is out. As others have said, he must never point it at the sun.
>
> BTW, I know a 2-1/2 year old who can operate his father's laptop computer to
> the extent that he can, on his own, watch his DVD's of trains and trucks.
>
>
Really?
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 15:56:13
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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"Sam Wormley" wrote
>> BTW, I know a 2-1/2 year old who can operate his father's laptop computer
>> to the extent that he can, on his own, watch his DVD's of trains and
>> trucks.
> Really?
Really.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 15:35:31
From: shawn
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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yvinu73@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
>
> this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product=30076150
>
> has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> suggestion...
>
> any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> small child?
If this isn't a troll (What are the chances of that these days on saa?
;-), a three year old will want your attention, and may even look into
your scope, and just by chance may actually see what its pointed at. My
9 year old enjoys spending time with me outside under the stars, and
occasionally looking through my scope. Wait till your nephew triples in
age to *consider* buying him a scope.
Shawn
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 18:11:29
From: Dennis Woos
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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> If this isn't a troll (What are the chances of that these days on saa?
> ;-), a three year old will want your attention, and may even look into
> your scope, and just by chance may actually see what its pointed at. My 9
> year old enjoys spending time with me outside under the stars, and
> occasionally looking through my scope. Wait till your nephew triples in
> age to *consider* buying him a scope.
>
I appreciate that your opinion is based on your experience, but I would like
to point out that every kid is different, and that some have the interest
and attention span to participate at an earlier age. I think that 3 is very
young, but maybe he is exceptionally focused and would enjoy some aspect(s)
of owning a scope. There are much worse ways to spend a hundred bucks or so
than putting a scope in a kid's room, even if it mostly/always just sits
there.
Dennis
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 16:27:15
From: Curtis Croulet
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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> I appreciate that your opinion is based on your experience, but I would
> like
> to point out that every kid is different, and that some have the interest
> and attention span to participate at an earlier age. I think that 3 is
> very young, but maybe he is exceptionally focused and would enjoy some
> aspect(s) of owning a scope. There are much worse ways to spend a hundred
> bucks or so than putting a scope in a kid's room, even if it mostly/always
> just sits there.
My experience at countless public and school star parties. is that children
younger than about seven have great trouble looking through a telescope.
Age 7 seems to be a dividing line. Now, it's certainly possible that the
kid may be the Mozart of astronomers, able to discern fine planetary detail
and faint galaxies at age 3. But I haven't encountered one yet. Granted,
there are also lots of adults who can't see anything, but an adult or older
child usually can be coached into seeing what they're supposed to see.
Having said all that, I could imagine that a toy scope or toy binoculars,
probably with plastic lenses and horrendous CA, would provide a lot of fun.
The kid is going to be looking at the dog from two inches away, looking
backwards through the scope, slamming it repeatedly on a tile floor, etc.
The kid'll need supervision to keep him/her from pointing at the Sun.
--
Curtis Croulet
Temecula, California
33°27'59"N, 117°05'53"W
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 18:21:22
From: shawn
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Dennis Woos wrote:
>> If this isn't a troll (What are the chances of that these days on saa?
>> ;-), a three year old will want your attention, and may even look into
>> your scope, and just by chance may actually see what its pointed at. My 9
>> year old enjoys spending time with me outside under the stars, and
>> occasionally looking through my scope. Wait till your nephew triples in
>> age to *consider* buying him a scope.
>>
>
> I appreciate that your opinion is based on your experience, but I would like
> to point out that every kid is different, and that some have the interest
> and attention span to participate at an earlier age. I think that 3 is very
> young, but maybe he is exceptionally focused and would enjoy some aspect(s)
> of owning a scope. There are much worse ways to spend a hundred bucks or so
> than putting a scope in a kid's room, even if it mostly/always just sits
> there.
Sure, you could by him a sling shot and a box of rocks. That would be
much worse ;-)
Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with three year olds looking
through uncle's scope, talking about the night sky and what he sees up
there, and getting a simple introduction to the greater universe. We're
talking preschool here though. Most of the three year olds I've known
would use a telescope as a canon or a bat. I realize there's that
precocious 1% out there. Maybe yours were. Mine weren't and most
aren't. Simple fixed focus toy binocs would be a more reasonable way to
introduce a little kid to making things look closer.
BTW, $100 could buy a nice low power EP that the kid might actually see
something in.
Shawn
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 23:12:37
From: Florian
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Target sells a fairly inexpensive/cheap National Geographic telescope for
$25. With supervision i don't see why a 3 year couldn't use/play with one
with supervision. Not sure if this link will work...
<http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1188860918/ref=sr_1_1/601-
9053647-3979332?ie=UTF8&asin=B000E7SRRW >
.Florian
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 00:32:51
From: Florian
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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> Target sells a fairly inexpensive/cheap National Geographic telescope
> for $25. With supervision i don't see why a 3 year couldn't use/play
> with one with supervision.
Sorry for the redundant redundancy in that post. Maybe i need more
supervision. ;-)
.Florian
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 18:14:12
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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"Florian" wrote
> Sorry for the redundant redundancy in that post. Maybe i need more
> supervision. ;-)
Quit staring at the Marty!
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 13:22:21
From: Jim Dubya
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Are you serious or is this post a troll?
A 3 year old is barely old enough to know how to walk and talk. It is not
wise to give a telescope to a 3 year old because they will point it at the
sun and they will go blind!!
Any questions?
<yvinu73@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1188848010.770177.202330@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I am considering this very simple telescope for my 3 year old nephew -
> he seems to be fascinated by 'telscopes' - though I doubt if he has
> ever viewed through one.
>
> this design stuck in my mind as a small expense to make it more
> accessible and 'fun' for him.
>
> http://www.tasco.com/single.cfm?s=Telescopes&family=Specialty&product=30076150
>
> has anybody looked at this device in the past?
>
> I have a 150 mm Newtonian on a GEM, and so I first gravitated away
> from the tasco brand. but on second thought, I decided to stay open to
> suggestion...
>
> any feedback/comments about that or other similar devices for a really
> small child?
>
> thanks
> Vinu
>
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 16:58:50
From: Dennis Woos
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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> Are you serious or is this post a troll?
>
> A 3 year old is barely old enough to know how to walk and talk. It is not
> wise to give a telescope to a 3 year old because they will point it at the
> sun and they will go blind!!
They will (point it at the Sun)? I didn't know that ;)
In a similar vein, during the last transit of Venus a woman we know thought
that we should warn kids not to look at the Sun. I asked an elementary
school teacher present if he ever warned the kids not to look at the Sun,
and he said that he never had - the issue had never come up.
Of couse, everyone needs to be careful when using a scope during the day, as
I understand it only takes a moment for the magnified Sun to cause eye
damage.
Dennis
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 20:42:16
From: Glenn Holliday
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Dennis Woos wrote:
>> ...
> Of couse, everyone needs to be careful when using a scope during the day, as
> I understand it only takes a moment for the magnified Sun to cause eye
> damage.
Just a nit ... the damage is done not by magnification of the size of
the image but because the amount of light energy entering a telescope,
and then focused on your eye, is so much greater than can enter through
the smaller aperture of your unaided eye.
--
Glenn Holliday holliday@acm.org
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:31:40
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: telescope for 3 yr old - any experience or feedback?
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Glenn Holliday wrote:
> Just a nit ... the damage is done not by magnification of the size of
> the image but because the amount of light energy entering a telescope,
> and then focused on your eye, is so much greater than can enter through
> the smaller aperture of your unaided eye.
What you say is essentially true (though the scope does not focus the
light on your eye), but it does not invalidate what Dennis said. It's
not the intensity of the light striking your retina that causes the
damage, but the total amount of heat. You can think of that at the
input end, which you've done, or you can think of it as the same
intensity over a much larger (angular) area, which Dennis has done.
What's more, the greater magnification makes it much harder to dissipate
heat by moving your eyeball around.
--
Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu >
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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