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Date: 27 Aug 2007 18:55:16
From: Sitav
Subject: dark energy
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i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
general news says that all the information scientists have found and
discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
how i much i dig
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 12:08:20
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 28, 6:48 pm, William Hamblen <wrhamb...@comcast.net > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:44:37 -0700, Llanzlan Klazmon
>
> <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ignore any posts by Oriel. He is a nut case.
>
> And don't quote him, either.
>
> Bud
As long as there is nonsense such as 'analemmas' around,good kids will
never learn how the 24 hour cycle is created,how these 24 hour cycles
elapse into each other and how to transfer the average 24 hour day to
the axial cycle for the purpose of keeping clocks in sync with
terrestrial geography corresponding to 4 minutes for each degree of
geographic seperation.
O.K. to be an astrologer if all you are interested in is taking pretty
pictures and rely only on the observational convenience of the Ra/Dec
system but I strongly suggest that you present yourselves as
'astrologers' in future rather than 'astronomers'.
>
> --
> The night is just the shadow of the Earth.
The night is axial rotation passing through the orbital shadow you
astrological numbskull.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 07:47:52
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 28, 10:48 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> Sitav wrote:
> > i sincerely thank u from the bottom of my heart for ur explanations
> > and help knowing that i really couldnt get help like this from anyone
> > else but now i am just confused, give me a litle time to understand
> > all this.
>
> See:http://www.google.com/search?q=kelleher+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be
Poor Dirk,made quite a website acquiring 'blunders' in order to defend
the exotic Time Machine concept of the last century.
Pity he did not recognise the words of Albert before he wrote -
"What is this?
Some kind of quote of some post?
An introduction to the shit you produce later on?
Shit that you expect someone will bother reading? "
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics/msg/b9a4fb192bcbb932
My reply was a gracious -
"Ha,ha,ha,do you not recognise the 1905 'shit' when you see it.I think
you have a website with blunders and this certainly is a good one."
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics/msg/bc1d98d1ed5173a6
In any case,that was so long ago and I never held the poor guy to his
mistake even if he dumped my name on the web in an embarrassing
manner .
At the core of Albert's and Isaac's efforts is the astrological
framework of Flamsteed,the ultimate statement is always the awful
notion of justifying the Earth's motions using the return of a star
in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 05:44:37
From: Llanzlan Klazmon
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 28, 10:16 am, Sitav <sitav_n...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 27, 4:34 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 9:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > > oriel36 wrote:
> > > > On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > >> Sitav wrote:
> > > >>> i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
> > > >>> general news says that all the information scientists have found and
> > > >>> discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
> > > >>> astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
> > > >>> i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
> > > >>> how i much i dig
> > > >> Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
> > > >> o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
> > > >> o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
> > > >> with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
>
> > > >> This is reasonable background
> > > >> Background on Dark Matter
> > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
>
> > > >> Background on Dark Energy
> > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
>
> > > >> -Sam
>
> > > >>From the Wiki article -
>
> > > Kelleher--
>
> > > Dark matter, as far as we can tell, is matter exhibits gravitation,
> > > but is not (or very weakly) interacting electromagnetically.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Dark matter or any other type of 'dark' fiction is a product of
> > thinking which goes back directly to Newton,.There was no harm in
> > trying to resolve planetary motion via terrestrial ballistics like
> > Newton did,who could blame him ! but that 17th century attempt was
> > made with limited data and no knowledge about the solar system's
> > galactic orbital motion.
>
> > I can easily say that the Sun's forward motion in one direction around
> > the galactic axis would condition planetary orbital geometry insofar
> > as the planets spend half their orbits travelling with the Sun in the
> > direction of galactic orbital motion and half their orbits travelling
> > in the opposite direction.
>
> > In case you do not get the point,Keplerian orbital geometries may be
> > derived from compound orbital motions (heliocentric and galactic
> > centric) rather than the ad hoc local solution employed by Newton.
> > where he isolates the solar system -
>
> > "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
> > the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
> > their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
> > Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
> > dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
> > mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
>
> > Dynamicists have a chance to revisit Keplerian geometries without
> > having to invent nonsensical ;dark' quantities but unfortunately it
> > would mean that they would have to work for a change rather than stick
> > with lazy 'dark' fiction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i sincerely thank u from the bottom of my heart for ur explanations
> and help knowing that i really couldnt get help like this from anyone
> else but now i am just confused, give me a litle time to understand
> all this.
Ignore any posts by Oriel. He is a nut case.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 12:48:12
From: William Hamblen
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:44:37 -0700, Llanzlan Klazmon
<bill.m.thomas@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Ignore any posts by Oriel. He is a nut case.
>
And don't quote him, either.
Bud
--
The night is just the shadow of the Earth.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 22:16:05
From: Sitav
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 27, 4:34 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 27, 9:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > oriel36 wrote:
> > > On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > >> Sitav wrote:
> > >>> i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
> > >>> general news says that all the information scientists have found and
> > >>> discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
> > >>> astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
> > >>> i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
> > >>> how i much i dig
> > >> Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
> > >> o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
> > >> o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
> > >> with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
>
> > >> This is reasonable background
> > >> Background on Dark Matter
> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
>
> > >> Background on Dark Energy
> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
>
> > >> -Sam
>
> > >>From the Wiki article -
>
> > Kelleher--
>
> > Dark matter, as far as we can tell, is matter exhibits gravitation,
> > but is not (or very weakly) interacting electromagnetically.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dark matter or any other type of 'dark' fiction is a product of
> thinking which goes back directly to Newton,.There was no harm in
> trying to resolve planetary motion via terrestrial ballistics like
> Newton did,who could blame him ! but that 17th century attempt was
> made with limited data and no knowledge about the solar system's
> galactic orbital motion.
>
> I can easily say that the Sun's forward motion in one direction around
> the galactic axis would condition planetary orbital geometry insofar
> as the planets spend half their orbits travelling with the Sun in the
> direction of galactic orbital motion and half their orbits travelling
> in the opposite direction.
>
> In case you do not get the point,Keplerian orbital geometries may be
> derived from compound orbital motions (heliocentric and galactic
> centric) rather than the ad hoc local solution employed by Newton.
> where he isolates the solar system -
>
> "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
> the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
> their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
> Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
> dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
> mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
>
> Dynamicists have a chance to revisit Keplerian geometries without
> having to invent nonsensical ;dark' quantities but unfortunately it
> would mean that they would have to work for a change rather than stick
> with lazy 'dark' fiction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i sincerely thank u from the bottom of my heart for ur explanations
and help knowing that i really couldnt get help like this from anyone
else but now i am just confused, give me a litle time to understand
all this.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 09:48:41
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: dark energy
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Sitav wrote:
> i sincerely thank u from the bottom of my heart for ur explanations
> and help knowing that i really couldnt get help like this from anyone
> else but now i am just confused, give me a litle time to understand
> all this.
>
See: http://www.google.com/search?q=kelleher+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 13:34:26
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 27, 9:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> Sitav wrote:
> >>> i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
> >>> general news says that all the information scientists have found and
> >>> discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
> >>> astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
> >>> i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
> >>> how i much i dig
> >> Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
> >> o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
> >> o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
> >> with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
>
> >> This is reasonable background
> >> Background on Dark Matter
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
>
> >> Background on Dark Energy
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
>
> >> -Sam
>
> >>From the Wiki article -
>
> Kelleher--
>
> Dark matter, as far as we can tell, is matter exhibits gravitation,
> but is not (or very weakly) interacting electromagnetically.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dark matter or any other type of 'dark' fiction is a product of
thinking which goes back directly to Newton,.There was no harm in
trying to resolve planetary motion via terrestrial ballistics like
Newton did,who could blame him ! but that 17th century attempt was
made with limited data and no knowledge about the solar system's
galactic orbital motion.
I can easily say that the Sun's forward motion in one direction around
the galactic axis would condition planetary orbital geometry insofar
as the planets spend half their orbits travelling with the Sun in the
direction of galactic orbital motion and half their orbits travelling
in the opposite direction.
In case you do not get the point,Keplerian orbital geometries may be
derived from compound orbital motions (heliocentric and galactic
centric) rather than the ad hoc local solution employed by Newton.
where he isolates the solar system -
"Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
Dynamicists have a chance to revisit Keplerian geometries without
having to invent nonsensical ;dark' quantities but unfortunately it
would mean that they would have to work for a change rather than stick
with lazy 'dark' fiction.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 13:12:27
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: dark energy
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On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> Sitav wrote:
> > i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
> > general news says that all the information scientists have found and
> > discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
> > astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
> > i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
> > how i much i dig
>
> Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
> o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
> o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
> with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
>
> This is reasonable background
> Background on Dark Matter
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
>
> Background on Dark Energy
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
>
> -Sam
>From the Wiki article -
"This result suggests that either Newtonian gravity does not apply
universally or that, conservatively, upwards of 50% of the mass of
galaxies was contained in the relatively dark galactic halo."
When Isaac decided to chance his arm by using terrestrial ballistics
to explain planetary motion,he isolated the solar system and cut off
any external influence on Keplerian orbital geometries ,like so -
"Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
Now,it hardly matters that he used Flamsteed's astrological framework
in constructing his ballistic agenda but unless you have not
noticed,the solar system has a galactic orbital motion and
subsequently the Earth spends months travelling in the direction of
the the solar system's galactic orbital motion and months travelling
in the opposite direction.It means that compound heliocentric orbital
and galactic orbital may influence the planet's orbital geometry to
being elliptical.
In short,'dark' energy and matter is a symptom of not taking into
account wider astronomical perspectives or bringing in irrelevent
ones.Take it from Copernicus who knew what happens when you do not
follow astronomical principles correctly -
". . . although they have extracted from them the apparent motions,
with numerical agreement, nevertheless . . . . They are just like
someone including in a picture hands, feet, head, and other limbs from
different places, well painted indeed, but not modeled from the same
body, and not in the least matching each other, so that a monster
would be produced from them rather than a man. Thus in the process of
their demonstrations, which they call their system, they are found
either to have missed out something essential, or to have brought in
something inappropriate and wholly irrelevant, which would not have
happened to them if they had followed proper principles. For if the
hypotheses which they assumed had not been fallacies, everything which
follows from them could be independently verified." De revolutionibus,
1543 Copernicus
In any case,the poster of the thread is a 12 year old so direct her to
more harmless pursuits like observational astronomy.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 20:19:16
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: dark energy
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oriel36 wrote:
> On Aug 27, 8:54 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Sitav wrote:
>>> i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
>>> general news says that all the information scientists have found and
>>> discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
>>> astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
>>> i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
>>> how i much i dig
>> Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
>> o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
>> o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
>> with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
>>
>> This is reasonable background
>> Background on Dark Matter
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
>>
>> Background on Dark Energy
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
>>
>> -Sam
>
>
>>From the Wiki article -
>
Kelleher--
Dark matter, as far as we can tell, is matter exhibits gravitation,
but is not (or very weakly) interacting electromagnetically.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 19:54:31
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: dark energy
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Sitav wrote:
> i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
> general news says that all the information scientists have found and
> discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
> astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
> i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
> how i much i dig
>
Two things to keep in mind, Sitav--
o the popular press is not the best for scientific information
o the dark energy and dark matter are recent problems in science
with lots of investigators working on finding clues.
This is reasonable background
Background on Dark Matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
Background on Dark Energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
-Sam
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 18:57:35
From: Eugene Griessel
Subject: Re: dark energy
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Sitav <sitav_nabi@yahoo.com > wrote:
>i have been doing some research on dark energy and dark matter and
>general news says that all the information scientists have found and
>discovered have already been posted on every astronomical and
>astrophysical website, magazine, etc.. possible. although i doubt that
>i can only find a little bit of information on the subject no matter
>how i much i dig
>
You would probably have to pay for the more detailed stuff.
Eugene L Griessel
To me, being an intellectual doesn't mean knowing about intellectual
issues; it means taking pleasure in them.
Jacob Bronowski
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