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Date: 01 Sep 2007 08:01:13
From: Mik2
Subject: clock of the universe
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Where does it reside?
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:30:38
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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On Sep 2, 9:23 pm, Dr J R Stockton <j...@merlyn.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> In sci.astro.amateur message <Nf2dndP9TtAqy0fbnZ2dnUVZ_uDin...@comcast.c
> om>, Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:22:45, shawn <john...@spamhole.net> posted:
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> >Mik2 wrote:
> >> Where does it reside?
> >http://www.nist.gov/
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> Merely of local significance.
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> The International Earth Rotation service is at BIPM in France (/fons et
> origo/ of the metre). That's where Leap Seconds are made.
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> --
> (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. *...@merlyn.demon.co.uk / ??.Stock...@physics.org
> Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
> Correct <= 4-line sig. separator as above, a line precisely "-- " (SoRFC1036)
> Do not Mail News to me. Before a reply, quote with ">" or "> " (SoRFC1036)
Maybe somebody there might discover that for a star to return a
constant 3 minutes 56 seconds of a 24 hour day earlier that it
requires a 1461 day cycle based on 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of
366 days to work - Sacrebleu !!!!!!
If you ever discover that trying to fit 4 annual orbits of the Earth
into a 365/366 day calendrical convenience ( is a poor way to describe
the axial and orbital motion of the Earth then please inform the
IERS .
How many doctorates does it need to figure out something as simple as
this easy to deal with issue.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 15:13:33
From:
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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On Sep 2, 10:38 am, Dr J R Stockton <j...@merlyn.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> >Where does it reside?
> At around RA 3 hours, declination -50 degrees, of course.
Very funny. Right next to the river, the fish, and net. But around
that much water not even a chisel might be adequate to keep the
corrosion from interfering with its uniformity of ticking.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 21:23:19
From: Dr J R Stockton
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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In sci.astro.amateur message <Nf2dndP9TtAqy0fbnZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@comcast.c
om >, Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:22:45, shawn <johndoe@spamhole.net> posted:
>Mik2 wrote:
>> Where does it reside?
>http://www.nist.gov/
Merely of local significance.
The International Earth Rotation service is at BIPM in France (/fons et
origo/ of the metre). That's where Leap Seconds are made.
--
(c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. *@merlyn.demon.co.uk / ??.Stockton@physics.org
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ > - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
Correct <= 4-line sig. separator as above, a line precisely "-- " (SoRFC1036)
Do not Mail News to me. Before a reply, quote with " >" or "> " (SoRFC1036)
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 12:48:18
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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On Sep 2, 6:38 pm, Dr J R Stockton <j...@merlyn.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> In sci.astro.amateur message <d%8Ci.2893$bO6.1470@edtnps89>, "clock of
> the universe", Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:01:13, Mik2 <m...@comcas.org> posted:
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> The bode of an article should make sense independently of the Subject
> Line.
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That's the thing about 'astronomical' doctorates,perfectly reasonable
with grammer and perfectly wrong about everything else
including,nay,specifically basic astronomical tenets.
So what proffession are you going to take up now that it is possible
to use modern imaging to demonstrate the right and wrong way to
approach the motion of the Earth and the structure of the solar
system.I guess you believe these guys are so stupid that it would not
matter but I believe otherwise.
> >Where does it reside?
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> At around RA 3 hours, declination -50 degrees, of course.
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It is easy to relegate your kind to oblivion but that is no big
deal,the big deal is for people to actually discover their
astronomical heritage from behind dull and self-serving agendas.
> --
> (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?...@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
> Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links;
> Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm (gravity currently inoperative)
> No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 18:38:59
From: Dr J R Stockton
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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In sci.astro.amateur message <d%8Ci.2893$bO6.1470@edtnps89 >, "clock of
the universe", Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:01:13, Mik2 <mk@comcas.org > posted:
The bode of an article should make sense independently of the Subject
Line.
>Where does it reside?
At around RA 3 hours, declination -50 degrees, of course.
--
(c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ > - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links;
Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm (gravity currently inoperative)
No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 03:12:13
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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On Sep 2, 7:22 am, shawn <john...@spamhole.net > wrote:
> Mik2 wrote:
> > Where does it reside?
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> http://www.nist.gov/
The NIST website states the same old falsehood -
"With the advent of highly accurate atomic clocks, scientists and
technologists recognized the inadequacy of timekeeping based on the
motion of the Earth, which fluctuates in rate by a few thousandths of
a second a day. The redefinition of the second in 1967 had provided an
excellent reference for more accurate measurement of time intervals,
but attempts to couple GMT (based on the Earth's motion) and this new
definition proved to be highly unsatisfactory. A compromise time scale
was eventually devised, and on January 1, 1972, the new Coordinated
Universal Time (UTC) became effective internationally."
http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html
I will now concede that the problem is far more subtle than at first
glance but the consequencs are truly enormous.
Clocks are kept in sync with the axial cycle so that the time
difference of 4 minutes will always correspond to 1 degree of
geographic seperation,the principles never,ever linked clock/
terrestrial longitudes directly to axial rotation.The closest
timekeeping astronomers got was to transfer the equable and average
24 hour day to the axial cycle and treated it as 'constant',and you
know what,it still is.
Clocks are marvelous devices that do one single job - they keep a
standard pace and that standard pace is determined by human invention
via the Equation of Time system and NOT by external references -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png
There is a guy in uk.sci.astronomy at the moment showing off a toy
which replicates the solar system motion,there are intelligent guys
who recognise that the system is not astronomical but astrological and
it is about time somebody here s.a.a. did -
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/clockwork-model-of-the-solar-system-is-straight-out-of-myst/
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 00:22:45
From: shawn
Subject: Re: clock of the universe
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Mik2 wrote:
> Where does it reside?
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http://www.nist.gov/
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