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Date: 02 Aug 2006 13:44:19
From: BlagooBlanaa
Subject: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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F=Ma
where a generated by central force field
gives Keplers Laws for motion of stars in
gavitational field of galaxy.
But assumes that M is constant.
In fact dM/dt < 0
due to mass loss from stellar populations
this coupled with asymmetric gas distribution
due to outflow from center of galaxy yields
non-Keplerian orbits
No dork matter needed
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 04:11:32
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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"BlagooBlanaa" <BlagooBlanaa@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:44d01f40$0$19680$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> F=Ma
>
> where a generated by central force field
> gives Keplers Laws for motion of stars in
> gavitational field of galaxy.
>
> But assumes that M is constant.
>
> In fact dM/dt < 0
>
> due to mass loss from stellar populations
> this coupled with asymmetric gas distribution
> due to outflow from center of galaxy yields
> non-Keplerian orbits
>
> No dork matter needed
>
And a new method for grasping at straws!!
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 04:27:10
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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MThomas wrote:
> "BlagooBlanaa" <BlagooBlanaa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44d01f40$0$19680$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>F=Ma
>>
>>where a generated by central force field
>>gives Keplers Laws for motion of stars in
>>gavitational field of galaxy.
>>
>>But assumes that M is constant.
>>
>>In fact dM/dt < 0
>>
>>due to mass loss from stellar populations
>>this coupled with asymmetric gas distribution
>>due to outflow from center of galaxy yields
>>non-Keplerian orbits
>>
>>No dork matter needed
>>
>
>
> And a new method for grasping at straws!!
>
>
Actually the orbits are Keplerian--all the gravitational sources
must be taken into account.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:56:26
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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Kleopatra wrote:
> > * "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax
> > from the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
> > their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
> > Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
> > dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
> > mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
>
> The speed of the sun around the galaxy is variable. It has to be. Think
> of the gases out there
>
> Kleo
To say that you missed the point is condescending,Newton required
celestial sphere geometry in order to create a geocentric/heliocentric
orbital equivalency for mean Sun/Earth distances (AU) ,this one -
PH=C6NOMENON IV.
"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun.
This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all
astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of
the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or
the earth about the sun" NEWTON
Axial rotation to the celestial sphere morphed into orbital motion to
an aether/absolute space yet nobody ever bother to check that in order
to justify axial rotation to a star is 23 hours 56 min that they are
effectively doing so on the basis of celestial sphere geometry.
http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses//astro201/images/sider=
eal_day.gif
The Newtonian framework prevents you from ever grafting in the solar
system's galactic orbital motion and forces you to accept local
solutions based on the Sun for Keplerian orbital geometry.Be my guest
and believe otherwise but in a forum which works off the Ra/Dec
merry-go-round,I assure you that Newtonian 'predictions' are more
astrological than actual.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 08:52:04
From: Kleopatra
Subject: Re: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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> * "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax
> from the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
> their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
> Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
> dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
> mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
The speed of the sun around the galaxy is variable. It has to be. Think
of the gases out there
Kleo
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:05:20
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: non-Keplerian orbits and dork matter
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BlagooBlanaa wrote:
> F=Ma
>
> where a generated by central force field
> gives Keplers Laws for motion of stars in
> gavitational field of galaxy.
>
> But assumes that M is constant.
>
> In fact dM/dt < 0
>
> due to mass loss from stellar populations
> this coupled with asymmetric gas distribution
> due to outflow from center of galaxy yields
> non-Keplerian orbits
>
> No dork matter needed
Newton had to isolate the solar system to make terrestial ballistics
mesh in with planetary motion and provide a local solution based on the
Sun* .The ad hoc solution must have looked great from the 17th to
20th century until it was discovered that galactic orbital motion
affects the solar system insofar as the solar system follows a course
in one direction around the galactic axis.
In short,cutting off your nose to spite your face is the price you pay
for the going on with a quasi-geocentric local solution which shuts
off the ability to discern whether the greater solar system motion
affects planetary heliocentric motion in accordance with Keplerian
orbits.
Your neat celestial sphere geometry is generating thes silly 'dark
solutions' arising from the original Newtonian approach.I marvel at all
the tortured linguistics and novel concepts based on cartoon working
principles but you certainly get what you pay for !.
* "Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax
from the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I." Newton
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