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Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:09:00
From: William Hamblen
Subject: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060820
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The night is just the shadow of the Earth.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 10:18:34
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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William Hamblen wrote:
All truth passes through three stages :
First, it is ridiculed
Second, it is violently opposed
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident
Arthur Schopenhauer
http://cosmic.lifeform.net/?p=20
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 21:07:57
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:18:34 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
<cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote:
>All truth passes through three stages :
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>First, it is ridiculed
>Second, it is violently opposed
>Third, it is accepted as being self-evident
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>Arthur Schopenhauer
Which just goes to show that even very smart people can say some awfully
stupid things (although I expect he didn't believe this, but was just
being clever).
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:13:15
From: CNJ999
Subject: Re: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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William Hamblen wrote:
> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060820
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Well, I guess the beginnings of the landslide of the rightful ridicule
of astronomy as now started in the popular press...as I said it would.
JBortle
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 19:07:30
From: Stan Jensen
Subject: Re: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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On 20 Aug 2006 06:13:15 -0700, "CNJ999" <jbortle@aol.com > wrote:
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>William Hamblen wrote:
>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060820
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>Well, I guess the beginnings of the landslide of the rightful ridicule
>of astronomy as now started in the popular press...as I said it would.
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>JBortle
Have you read Daily Static before (whre the cartoon came from )? It's
not the first time astronomy has been spoofed.
They are a tech (humor) site, and take on all comers.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 10:46:55
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Yet Another Planet Heard From
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CNJ999 wrote:
> William Hamblen wrote:
> > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060820
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> Well, I guess the beginnings of the landslide of the rightful ridicule
> of astronomy as now started in the popular press...as I said it would.
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> JBortle
What you see here is not astronomy,what you are seeing is the symptoms
of empirical excesses taking the name of astronomy.
The intuitive faculties which affirm or reject celestial structure
(such as the solar system) and motions based on physical considerations
no longer exist,replaced by the hopless 'scientific method' based on
definitions and axioms.
Pascal was not an astronomer but he had that keen insight on the
balance between the intuitive faculties and intellectual processing
and rightly identified the mathematicians view as being silly in
approaching material which requires intutive affirmation to proceed.The
reasons given by Pascal are the major difference between expiricism and
heliocentric astronomy for Copernican heliocentricity and its later
refinements are not speculative endeavors but conclusions based on
physical considerations,of course,the intuitive know the difference
between affirmation through a certain satisfaction and empirical
speculation with its novelistic values,at least in terms of astronomy.
"But the reason that mathematicians are not intuitive is that they do
not see what is before them, and that,accustomed to the exact and plain
principles of mathematics, and notreasoning till they have well
inspected and arranged their principles,they are lost in matters of
intuition where the principles do notallow of such arrangement. They
are scarcely seen; they are felt rather than seen; there is the
greatest difficulty in making them feltby those who do not of
themselves perceive them. These principlesare so fine and so numerous
that a very delicate and very clearsense is needed to perceive them,
and to judge rightly and justly when they are perceived, without for
the most part being able to demonstrate them in order as in
mathematics, because the principles are not known to us in the same
way, and because it would be an endless matter to undertake it. We must
see the matter at once, at one glance, and not by a process of
reasoning, at least to a certain degree. And thus it is rare that
mathematicians are intuitive and that
men of intuition are mathematicians, because mathematicians wish to
treat matters of intuition mathematically and make themselves
ridiculous, wishing to begin with definitions and then with axioms,
which is not the way to proceed in this kind of reasoning. Not that the
mind does not do so, but it does it tacitly, naturally, and
without technical rules; for the expression of it is beyond all men,and
only a few can feel it." PASCAL
http://philosophy.eserver.org/pascal-pensees.txt
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