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Date: 12 Nov 2006 11:02:56
From: Nikolaj
Subject: Winter solstice
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Hi,
I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
Solstice 2006?
Thank you in advance!
/Nikolaj - Denmark
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 22:49:35
From: MIN PhD
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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On 12 Nov 2006, "Nikolaj" <josiassen@gmail.com > wrote:
>I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
>Solstice 2006?
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That depends on the longitudinal reference in question.
If you're referencing the ever-precessing equinoctial
points, i.e. where the plane of Earth's terrestrial or
rotational-axis equator continually intersects the plane
of the Earth-Sun ecliptic or caelestial equator, then
it is by definition very nearly (mundane measurements &
predictions are never exact) 270 degrees in terrestrial
longitude from the vernal equinoctial point--thus begins
the tropical, (precessional, seasonal) zodiacal calendar
month of Capricorn
And if you're referencing caelestial coordinates, then
that depends on which prime fiducial you're using. You
can reference /sgrab, the light-apparent position of the
galactic barycenter as our standard local moment of rest;
or you can reference any number of bright "fixed" stars
as was commonly done in ancient times. E.g. Aldebaran at
15 degrees caelestial Taurus was the most commonly used
prime fiducial (for witnessing caelestial longitude) in
ancient Egypto-Babylonian astronomy, and by many other
erudite astronomers worldwide, with all other brighter
fiducial stars bearing witness to the angular distance
from the aforesaid "eye of the bull", like so:
Name Longit. Lat. Bayer
Al Pherg : 2 Ari + 5 etPsc
Sheratan : 9 Ari + 8 beAri
Caph : 10 Ari +51 beCas
Hamal : 13 Ari +10 alAri
Shedir : 13 Ari +47 alCas
Cih : 19 Ari +49 gaCas
Ruchbah : 23 Ari +46 deCas
Segin : 0 Tau +48 epCas
Algol : 1 Tau +22 bePer
Alcyone : 5 Tau + 4 etTau
Mirphak : 7 Tau +30 alPer
*Aldebaran : 15 Tau - 5 alTau <Prime Fiducial
Rigel : 22 Tau -31 beOri
Bellatrix : 26 Tau -17 gaOri
Capella : 27 Tau +23 alAur
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Mintaka : 28 Tau -23 deOri
Alnilam : 29 Tau -25 epOri
*Alnitak : 0 Gem -25 zeOri <Great Pyramid star
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Saiph : 2 Gem -33 kaOri
Polaris : 4 Gem +66 alUMi
Betelgeuse: 4 Gem -16 alOri
Menkalinan: 5 Gem +21 beAur
Alhena : 14 Gem - 7 gaGem
Sirius : 19 Gem -40 alCMa
Castor : 25 Gem +10 alGem
Pollux : 28 Gem + 7 beGem
Procyon : 1 Can -16 alCMi
Asellus Au: 14 Can + 0 deCnc
Kochab : 19 Can +73 beUMi
Dubhe : 20 Can +50 alUMa
Subra : 29 Can - 4 omiLeo
Alphard : 2 Leo -22 alHya
Algieba : 5 Leo + 9 ga1Leo
Regulus : 5 Leo + 0 alLeo
Thuban : 13 Leo +66 alDra
Dhur : 17 Leo +14 deLeo
Denebola : 27 Leo +12 beLeo
Vindemiatr: 15 Vir +16 epVir
Spica : 29 Vir - 2 alVir
Arcturus : 29 Vir +31 alBoo
Menkent : 18 Lib -22 thCen
Zubenelgen: 20 Lib + 0 al2Lib
Dschubba : 8 Sco - 2 deSco
Antares : 15 Sco - 5 alSco
Rastaban : 17 Sco +75 beDra
: 21 Sco -12 epSco
Sabik : 23 Sco + 7 etOph
Rasalhague: 28 Sco +36 alOph
Sargas : 1 Sag -20 thSco
Gal.Center: 2 Sag - 6 SgrA*
Eltanin : 3 Sag +75 gaDra
Sacred Tre: 5 Sag + 0 -----
Solar Apex: 7 Sag +53 HerA*
Kaus Austr: 10 Sag -11 epSgr
Nunki : 18 Sag - 3 siSgr
Vega : 21 Sag +62 alLyr
Altair : 7 Cap +29 alAql
Dabih : 9 Cap + 5 beCap
Sadr : 0 Aqu +57 gaCyg
Enif : 7 Aqu +22 epPeg
Fomalhaut : 9 Aqu -21 alPsA
Deneb : 11 Aqu +60 alCyg
Markab : 29 Aqu +19 alPeg
Scheat : 5 Pis +31 bePeg
Algenib : 14 Pis +13 gaPeg
Alpheratz : 20 Pis +26 alAnd
Thus, at the winter solstice 2006 anno Domini, which
the JPL-DE406 ephemeris shows Fri 22-Dec-2006, about
00:21:57 UT, the Sun will be in 5 degrees Sagittarius,
again, referencing Aldebaran as marking 15 Taurus in
caelestial longitude.
Notably, the winter solstice will conjunct the Mayan
Sacred Tree on Friday, December 21, 2012 AD, just as
the incomparable ancient Mayan astronomers predicted
(the 2012 winter solstice will occur 11:11:23 UT with
the Sun theoretically 05Sag01'12.315" in reference to
Aldebaran 15Tau00'00.000").
Also, a much more detailed list of nearly one thousand
fiducial stars for epoch J2000 can be downloaded here:
*The Twelve Constellations of Earth's
Caelestial Zodiac for epoch (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1S7H7HRY37633.235474537@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1S7H7HRY37633.235474537 <AT > Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
*The Eighty-Eight I.A.U. "constellations" on
Earth's Caelestial Sphere for epoch (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OHU57L4X37633.2354282407@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OHU57L4X37633.2354282407 <AT > Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
And, for a detailed introduction on how these brighter
fiducial stars were used by ancient astronomers around
the world to observe and predict planetary orbits, and
far better than modern-day orthodox Atheists give them
credit for, see:
*Observing and Predicting Planetary Orbits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BVNNKOHL38924.9795601852@twistycreek.com
Hope that helps,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 11:29:44
From: Nikolaj
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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Thank you! A follow-up question; At what longitude will the sun be
December 22 2006 00:22 GMT?
Thank you again!
/Nikolaj
Sam Wormley skrev:
> Nikolaj wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
> > Solstice 2006?
> >
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> > /Nikolaj - Denmark
> >
>=20
>=20
> RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
> Ecliptic Long 270=B0 0m 0s
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:42:31
From: Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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"Nikolaj" <josiassen@gmail.com > wrote in news:1163359784.413850.56780
@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
> Thank you! A follow-up question; At what longitude will the sun be
> December 22 2006 00:22 GMT?
>
> Thank you again!
>
> /Nikolaj
>
> Sam Wormley skrev:
>> Nikolaj wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
>> > Solstice 2006?
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance!
>> >
>> > /Nikolaj - Denmark
>> >
>>
>>
>> RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
>> Ecliptic Long 270° 0m 0s
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>
That's by definition of course ;-).
Klazmon.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 07:42:43
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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In article <1163359784.413850.56780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
Nikolaj <josiassen@gmail.com > wrote:
> Sam Wormley skrev:
>> Nikolaj wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
>>> Solstice 2006?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>
>>> /Nikolaj - Denmark
>>
>> RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
>> Ecliptic Long 270_deg 0' 0"
>
> Thank you! A follow-up question; At what longitude will the sun be
> December 22 2006 00:22 GMT?
>
> Thank you again!
>
> /Nikolaj
Why do you ask the same question once again? You are aware that
2006 Dec 22 00:22 UT _is_ the moment of winter solstice, aren't you?
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 19:10:03
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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Nikolaj wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
> Solstice 2006?
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> /Nikolaj - Denmark
>
RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
Ecliptic Long 270° 0m 0s
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 13:09:56
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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>>Nikolaj wrote:
>> I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
>> Solstice 2006?
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
> Ecliptic Long 270° 0m 0s
I think Nikolaj wants to know the longitude on Earth that is facing
the Sun at the moment of the solstice. Offhand, the solstice happens
at 23:32UT. So at what longitude is it local noon at that time? 12
hours from 23:32 gives us 11:32 hours past Greenwich, so at 15 degrees
per hour, that's about 173 longitude - eastern end pf the Siberian
peninsula, mid/west section of the Aleutioan chain, Samoa, Tonga...
How exact do you want it? There's equation of time to consider, if you
need real accuracy.
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- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
http://flavorj.com/~skysea
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 00:47:52
From: Nikolaj
Subject: Re: Winter solstice
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I realise that I in essence asked the same question twice, but the
answer I was looking for was the answer given by Dale Gambert. But
thank you all for your help and assistance.
Thank you!
/Nikolaj
Paul Schlyter skrev:
> In article <1163359784.413850.56780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> Nikolaj <josiassen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sam Wormley skrev:
> >> Nikolaj wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have a question; At which longitude will the sun be on Winter
> >>> Solstice 2006?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance!
> >>>
> >>> /Nikolaj - Denmark
> >>
> >> RA 18h 0m 0s Epoch of Date
> >> Ecliptic Long 270_deg 0' 0"
> >
> > Thank you! A follow-up question; At what longitude will the sun be
> > December 22 2006 00:22 GMT?
> >
> > Thank you again!
> >
> > /Nikolaj
>
> Why do you ask the same question once again? You are aware that
> 2006 Dec 22 00:22 UT _is_ the moment of winter solstice, aren't you?
>
> --
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> Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
> e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
> WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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