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Date: 02 Sep 2006 01:43:59
From: Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
Subject: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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REMINDER, SINCE this particular "evidence" regarding the laser
reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
rover had eight wheels.
"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
television pictures and scientific data.
Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
and carried an additional television camera. It
travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
moving.
The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
laser beam, making it possible to measure the
distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
panoramic photography, and all lenses have
improved sunshades.
The small silver box between the front wheels is
an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
centimetres.
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
a core sample.
On returning to the rest position, the sample is
transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
Earth" [end quote]
Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
reflectors proves the American space program successfully
sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT > anonymous.poster
*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT > Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT > Gilgamesh-frog.org
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593 <AT > anonymous.poster
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704 <AT > anonymous.poster
*Min's Official PGP Public Key (MIT Keyserver compromised):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963@twistycreek.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963 <AT > twistycreek.com
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 04:10:25
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level.
Somewhat more, even before Apollo.
http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/AirAndSpace/HumansInSpace/Gemini11/Gemini11.php
> Got it?
> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
Duh. What's your point? Some *cars* have more mileage on them than
that. (Personally, I've never gotten one past about 148k miles. Does
that mean that any claim of humans travelng farther is bunk?)
Yet you have no problem believing that machines can make the one-way
trip.
Do you believe Russian Zonds circled the Moon and returned? Waving
that number around as if it were the light barrier, proves nothing,
considering Earth escape velocity is 25,000 mph to begin with.
If you believe *unmanned* probes have been sent all over the solar
system, then a half-million miles is pissing in the ocean.
> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
This is like believing in railroads, but not Pullman cars...
--
Frank
You know what to remove to reply...
Check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/stardolphin1/link2.htm
"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 04:52:17
From: Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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If you want to believe in the tooth fairy, then believe in the
tooth fairy. Believe what you want. I don't believe it. And I
know I'm not alone in my concerted dis-belief in NASA's patently
impossible "men-to-the-moon" fish story. It stinks to HIGH HEAVEN!
But as long as you register and *VOTE* Republican, save for rare
exceptions (e.g. Joe Lieberman running on the Independent ticket),
then I don't care what else you may believe or disbelieve. :-D
Elvis has left the building,
Daniel Joseph Min
"Frank Glover" wrote:
>Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
>
>> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
>> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
>> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
>> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
>> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
>> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
>> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
>> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
>> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
>> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
>> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
>> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
>> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level.
>
> Somewhat more, even before Apollo.
>
>http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/AirAndSpace/HumansInSpace/Gemin
>i11/Gemini11.php
>
>
>> Got it?
>> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
>> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
>
> Duh. What's your point? Some *cars* have more mileage on them than
>that. (Personally, I've never gotten one past about 148k miles. Does
>that mean that any claim of humans travelng farther is bunk?)
>
> Yet you have no problem believing that machines can make the one-way
>trip.
>
> Do you believe Russian Zonds circled the Moon and returned? Waving
>that number around as if it were the light barrier, proves nothing,
>considering Earth escape velocity is 25,000 mph to begin with.
>
> If you believe *unmanned* probes have been sent all over the solar
>system, then a half-million miles is pissing in the ocean.
>
>
>> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
>> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
>> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
>
> This is like believing in railroads, but not Pullman cars...
>
>--
>
> Frank
>
> You know what to remove to reply...
>
>Check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/stardolphin1/link2.htm
>
>"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
>- Chinese Proverb
"...Yes, he has been trying to comfort him-
self with these suppositions; but he had
found all in vain. All in vain; because
Death, in approaching him, had stalked
with his black shadow before him, and
enveloped the victim. And it was the
mornful influence of the unperceived
shadow that caused him to feel -- al-
though he neither saw nor heard -- to
feel the presence of my head within the
room...." --Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849)
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:27:46
From: Info
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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In article <OCY5GEU738962.0363078704@twistycreek.com >
Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! <anon@comments.header > wrote:
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The Collected Buffoonery of Daniel Joseph Min - Usenet's most failed prophet.
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Who is Danny Min?
What does he post?
Examples of failed prophecies
What you should do
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Who is Daniel J. Min?
Daniel J. Min is a denizen of Usenet newsgroups. He posts using various variations on his name, including using asterisks or underlines in place of letters. Often he will post as "Nomen Nescio" or Anonymous, and he used to post as GOD >.
The reason for this is to get around peoples "kill files" or "bozo filters"
However, he consistently posts through anonymous "remailers" in order to disguise his true identity
He posts to various newsgroups, including alt.astrology, alt.astronomy, and alt.prophecies.nostradamus. He posts in any inappropriate newsgroup he deems neccessary.
Additionally Danny has been known to directly email people, once again, using his anonymous remailer service.
What does he post?
Danny posts various garbage claims about astrological influences, and birthdata, which he generally makes up as he goes along. Outstanding amongst his posts include claims to know exactly the birthdata of Jesus Christ, Johannes Kepler, Ptolemy, and various other historical characters.
He posts silly prophecies and claims, and even at times posts his own "kill file list" which has become so large that it's unlikely he even *sees* anyone else s posts anymore.
Some Classic examples of Danny's failed prophecies
(Danny's "prophetic" words are italicized)
Danny predicts the "Great Khan of Terror":
On 15 Nov 1999 22:34:03 -0600, GOD wrote in these newsgroups:
The king of terror will come some time around the month of May in 2000.
At this time, the inner planets will all be lined up on one side of the sun with the exception of the Earth which will be directly at the opposite side.
The increased gravitational effects of the sun combined with the added pull from the other planets will have a devastating effect on the earth.
At this time, all major fault lines will rupture. California will experience the big one at this time.
Volcanic activity will increase and it is very likely that the Long Valley Caulderra will explode cataclysmicly. These types of events will be occurring at roughly the same time throughout the entire planet.
To top it off, the suns corona will be nudged away from the earth...towards the grouped inner planets, effectively creating a massive coronal hole (I.E." the "three days of darkness").
When the pull of the alignment comes to pass, the corona will snap back to the earth facing side thereby releasing a CME of massive proportions....aimed directly at planet Earth.
Believe me, there will be terror at this time.
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Danny moves "The Great Kahn of Terror" by yet another 7 months:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:59:25 -0500, No User wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, bobo@vornet.com (BobO fficer) wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:37:04 -0500, to alt.astrology et al I wrote
>>>Enjoy 1999 seventh month. It is Ethanim 2000.
>>you said it was last September or ober,
Yes, the seventh month 1999 in the revised Roman calendar was from sunset September 10th to sunset ober 10th but the first month 1999 was in the spring of 1762 BC, sunset Saturday March 24th to sunset April 22nd proleptic Julian. The seventh month Ethanim was therefore 2000, not of 1999 but FROM the first month in the YEAR 1999 of the passover. Hence, the YEAR 1999 seventh month AND seven months. See?
>>I let you take every day of the year 1999
>The LORD granted the centuries and you did not repent. He giveth and He taketh away. You Robert, speak blasphemy of the LORD.
>>and you were wrong.
>I am corrected by scripture--and Nostradamus was likewise.
>>there was no terror from the skies, no killer asteroid.
>And yet again must that universal ruler of infernal hades be raised up as it is written. Beware the star in fortune opposing, in the rule of night from heaven it advances to WINNOW, "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire" [Mat 3:12]
>>Daniel
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Daniel Expects half the world's population destroyed in ober 2000
On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:00:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, "Douglas Deaton" wrote:
>>I am new here and somewhat ignorant.
>>Doug
That makes two of us, or 6 billion of us if I'm not entirely mistaken.
At ober much will be made clear
by ways and means of the elements.
I expect half the population gone,
global equalisation of temperature
and pressure, the time, a new race,
His perpetual age the moment where,
or at the place when, smoke clears.
Enjoy the fireworks!
Daniel Joseph Min- >
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Daniel predicts the US presidential election for 2000
On 12 Nov 2000 23:44:00 -0000, Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
The 42nd President of the United States is the very
last of all the American Presidents to hold office.
He will announce our *National Emergency* shortly,
thus will continue in the office of the President,
having already been inaugurated in due diligence
when he was elected President. Gore is still VP.
&There is no reason to repeal the 22nd amendment,
given that Mr. President William Jefferson Clinton
has been elected twice only, and no more, thus the
amendment does not apply. Neither does a term limit
apply in his case, given that this is indeed a true
state of emergency with bloody violence seen to be
escalating in the State of Florida and elsewhere,
spreading like wildfire as it is in the mid east.
Get to higher ground if you can (look at England!)
Daniel Joseph Min
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So what should you do about him?
Well, first of all, you can be pretty sure based on his success rate that anything he has to say is wrong.
Someone once said, rather well, that "there is too much Min, and not enough Nostradamus" in what he posts.
Complaining won't do much, because he's they type of individual that doesn't feel the need to explain himself.
Asking him to stop only feeds him.
complaining to his anonymous remailer service results in nothing.
About the best thing to be said, is just be aware of what a buffoon he is.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 05:36:37
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
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>
> If you want to believe in the tooth fairy, then believe in the
> tooth fairy. Believe what you want. I don't believe it. And I
> know I'm not alone in my concerted dis-belief in NASA's patently
> impossible "men-to-the-moon" fish story. It stinks to HIGH HEAVEN!
Truth is not subject to majority vote, yes.
And I note you've not answered my questions....
But I do hope I can find you when human activity on the Moon begins
again. (by what government or private entity is another matter) Your
excuses should be up there witht those who seemed to welcome the
collapse of civilization with Y2K.
> But as long as you register and *VOTE* Republican, save for rare
> exceptions (e.g. Joe Lieberman running on the Independent ticket),
> then I don't care what else you may believe or disbelieve. :-D
And my political affiliation has what to do with the truth or
falsity of going to the Moon?
Encouraging more COTS-type activity, and no inappropriate regulation
on private human space activity, will do more (in this particular
regard) than voting in any particular set of scoundrels, to replace the
current set of scoundrels.
--
Frank
You know what to remove to reply...
Check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/stardolphin1/link2.htm
"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:39:27
From: Pat O'Connell
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Frank Glover wrote:
> Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
>
>> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
>> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
>> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
>> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
>> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
>> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
>> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
>> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
>> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
>> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
>> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
>> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
>> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level.
>
> Somewhat more, even before Apollo.
>
> http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/AirAndSpace/HumansInSpace/Gemini11/Gemini11.php
>
>
>> Got it?
>> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
>> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
>
> Duh. What's your point? Some *cars* have more mileage on them than
> that. (Personally, I've never gotten one past about 148k miles. Does
> that mean that any claim of humans travelng farther is bunk?)
>
> Yet you have no problem believing that machines can make the one-way
> trip.
>
...
>
>> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
>> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
>> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
>
> This is like believing in railroads, but not Pullman cars...
Min smoked something funny back in the 60s man, and hasn't been right since.
--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:52:49
From: TheNewsGuy(Mike)
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
> ...
> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
Your brain is fried.
--
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California Photos http://tinyurl.com/ann2l
Sawyer's Nicknames http://tinyurl.com/gowma
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:08:32
From: Malcontent
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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"TheNewsGuy(Mike)" <tnguymNoSpamm@yaho.com > wrote in message
news:15cf9$44f8e3f9$cf700efd$10870@PRIMUS.CA...
> Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
>> ...
>> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
>> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>
> Your brain is fried.
More likely, pickled.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 03:04:37
From: Dave Grayvis
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Malcontent wrote:
> "TheNewsGuy(Mike)" <tnguymNoSpamm@yaho.com> wrote in message
> news:15cf9$44f8e3f9$cf700efd$10870@PRIMUS.CA...
>> Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
>>> ...
>>> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
>>> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>> Your brain is fried.
>
> More likely, pickled.
>
>
More like jerkified.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 09:47:40
From: John Carruthers
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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>*Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really): <
Failed the MENSA test then min ? <snigger >
jc
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 09:54:09
From: Arrrggg
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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"Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!"
<anon@comments.header > wrote in message
news:6FN1IF7N38961.9055439815@twistycreek.com...
<Drivel Snipped >
If it's possible for you, click on this link, read very carefully and
hopefully learn. :)
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:41:55
From: Techie
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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August 1971: amateurs used 2.3GHz recieving stations of their own
construction to monitor direct transmissions from the Apollo 15 Command
Service Module as it circled the moon.
Dip Stick
Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
No thanks to people like you.....
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 12:54:59
From: FDR
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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"Techie" <techie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:76eKg.76148$u11.38416@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> August 1971: amateurs used 2.3GHz recieving stations of their own
> construction to monitor direct transmissions from the Apollo 15 Command
> Service Module as it circled the moon.
>
>
> Dip Stick
>
> Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
> No thanks to people like you.....
It is no wonder that Republicans are against science.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:29:31
From: Techie
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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FDR wrote:
> "Techie" <techie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:76eKg.76148$u11.38416@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
>>August 1971: amateurs used 2.3GHz recieving stations of their own
>>construction to monitor direct transmissions from the Apollo 15 Command
>>Service Module as it circled the moon.
>>
>>
>>Dip Stick
>>
>>Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
>>No thanks to people like you.....
>
>
>
> It is no wonder that Republicans are against science.
>
>
I am a republican. They are hardly 'against' science, just the lunatic
junk science like things that cannot even be done with a mouse,
violating analytical procedure to hype results, you know, the usual
liberal tools.
plonk...
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 11:28:23
From: Tanya
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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Right, watch out for those liberal scientist! What a
putz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:29:31 GMT, Techie <techie@yahoo.com > wrote:
>FDR wrote:
>> "Techie" <techie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:76eKg.76148$u11.38416@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>>
>>>August 1971: amateurs used 2.3GHz recieving stations of their own
>>>construction to monitor direct transmissions from the Apollo 15 Command
>>>Service Module as it circled the moon.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dip Stick
>>>
>>>Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress!
>>>No thanks to people like you.....
>>
>>
>>
>> It is no wonder that Republicans are against science.
>>
>>
>
>I am a republican. They are hardly 'against' science, just the lunatic
>junk science like things that cannot even be done with a mouse,
>violating analytical procedure to hype results, you know, the usual
>liberal tools.
>
>plonk...
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 02:08:42
From: Techie
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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I sorry, your sentence structure is not possible.
You see you used the term liberal in the present day tense, which has no
bases in reality. They believe that the laws of thermal dynamics can be
repealed, and feeling good will somehow right all evils.
Scientists develop postulates and theorems, are actively pursuing truth
in a subject matter.
Therefore there cannot be a liberal scientist.
Tanya wrote:
> Right, watch out for those liberal scientist! What a
> putz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 04:05:49
From: lizardqueen
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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How curious! I am wondering what kind of lesion in this guy's brain
would adversely affect his reasoning skills so profoundly, yet permit
him to cut and paste with such precision. As Spock would say:
fascinating!
Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Stay away from the brown acid bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla yada yada yada help me mommie bla bla bla.....
> I should have paid attention in science class....reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
> has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
> have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
> educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
> but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
> nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
> more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
>
> http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
> "Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
> controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
> by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
> rover had eight wheels.
> "The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
> 17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
> and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
> by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
> Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
> television pictures and scientific data.
> Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
> Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
> and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
> and carried an additional television camera. It
> travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
> "Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
> eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
> motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
> failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
> moving.
> The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
> reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
> laser beam, making it possible to measure the
> distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
> of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
> "There is an additional high-level TV camera for
> panoramic photography, and all lenses have
> improved sunshades.
> The small silver box between the front wheels is
> an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
> onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
> its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
> retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
> transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
> distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
> centimetres.
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
> "the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
> Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
> on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
> the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
> lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
> a core sample.
> On returning to the rest position, the sample is
> transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
> Earth" [end quote]
>
> Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
> both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
> lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
> time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
> to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
> placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
> Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
> returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
> from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
>
> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
> It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
> somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
> evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
>
> At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
> reflectors proves the American space program successfully
> sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
> to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
> All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>
> *Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> *Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> In Vigilance,
> Daniel Joseph Min
>
> *Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
> *Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Official PGP Public Key (MIT Keyserver compromised):
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963@twistycreek.com
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963 <AT> twistycreek.com
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> iQA/AwUBRPjedJljD7YrHM/nEQIsTQCghNi3Gh1b6ehJpZkj+ZC1kiJd5ZgAoLI5
> E+kx1K96/AvD7Dw0wLYqseX3
> =SPeu
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 08:51:28
From: Malcontent
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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"lizardqueen" <googlwatson@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157195149.050203.40650@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> How curious! I am wondering what kind of lesion in this guy's brain
> would adversely affect his reasoning skills so profoundly, yet permit
> him to cut and paste with such precision. As Spock would say:
> fascinating!
Never underestimate the stamina of people with deranged minds.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:09:17
From: William December Starr
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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In article <1157195149.050203.40650@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >,
"lizardqueen" <googlwatson@gmail.com > said:
> How curious! I am wondering what kind of lesion in this guy's
> brain would adversely affect his reasoning skills so profoundly,
> yet permit him to cut and paste with such precision. As Spock
> would say: fascinating!
Lesion? My working theory has been that the dors decided that
they couldn't remove the railroad spike from his skull without
killing him, so they just left it in place.
--
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com >
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 01:01:11
From:
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
|
Republicans Retain Majority Of *BOTH* Houses Of Congress! wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> REMINDER, SINCE this particular "evidence" regarding the laser
> reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
> has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
> have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
> educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
> but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
> nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
> more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
>
> http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
> "Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
> controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
> by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
> rover had eight wheels.
> "The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
> 17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
> and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
> by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
> Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
> television pictures and scientific data.
> Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
> Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
> and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
> and carried an additional television camera. It
> travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
> "Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
> eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
> motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
> failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
> moving.
> The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
> reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
> laser beam, making it possible to measure the
> distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
> of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
> "There is an additional high-level TV camera for
> panoramic photography, and all lenses have
> improved sunshades.
> The small silver box between the front wheels is
> an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
> onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
> its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
> retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
> transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
> distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
> centimetres.
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
> "the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
> Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
> on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
> the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
> lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
> a core sample.
> On returning to the rest position, the sample is
> transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
> Earth" [end quote]
>
> Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
> both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
> lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
> time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
> to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
> placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
> Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
> returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
> from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
>
> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
> It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
> somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
> evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
>
> At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
> reflectors proves the American space program successfully
> sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
> to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
> All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>
> *Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> *Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> In Vigilance,
> Daniel Joseph Min
>
> *Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
> *Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Official PGP Public Key (MIT Keyserver compromised):
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963@twistycreek.com
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=KCQRMQOW38919.8812962963 <AT> twistycreek.com
>
There are 2 points :-
1) The Russians desperately wanted to discredit NASA. Surely if there
is just a slither of truth in your allegations the Russians would have
shouted it from the rooftops.
2) The Apollo team consisted of a large number of people. Now you can
have a consipacy in the CIA where only a small number of people are
involved on a "need to know" basis. With Apollo someone would have
leaked by now.
The simple fact of the matter is that because of the Cold War a larger
percentage of resources was devoted to space exploration than is the
case now. This coupled with the fact that NASA was probably a lot more
imaginative and better organized than now. Now it is very much a
bueaucratic organization.
As far as safety is concerned people then were simply prepared to take
more risks.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:08:23
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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There's a 3rd factor you forgot. The apollo mission left it's own laser
reflectors there too, and 4th factor, NASA has well over a TON of moon rock,
dmj the dimwit has zero idea how NASA got it.
--
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<ianparker2@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157184071.576000.260630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> 1) The Russians desperately wanted to discredit NASA. Surely if there
> is just a slither of truth in your allegations the Russians would have
> shouted it from the rooftops.
>
> 2) The Apollo team consisted of a large number of people. Now you can
> have a consipacy in the CIA where only a small number of people are
> involved on a "need to know" basis. With Apollo someone would have
> leaked by now.
>
> The simple fact of the matter is that because of the Cold War a larger
> percentage of resources was devoted to space exploration than is the
> case now. This coupled with the fact that NASA was probably a lot more
> imaginative and better organized than now. Now it is very much a
> bueaucratic organization.
>
> As far as safety is concerned people then were simply prepared to take
> more risks.
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 05:05:02
From: Gordon S. Hlavenka
Subject: Re: *Unmanned* Lunar Laser-Reflectors, Soil/Rock Samples, Etc...
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> All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Ordinarily I don't feed trolls.
But in this case there is actually evidence to back up this guy's
claims! Particularly the design details of the "corner cube reflectors"
used; it's all laid out in perfect detail at http://www.timecube.com
--
Gordon S. Hlavenka http://www.crashelectronics.com
What if there were no hypothetical situations?
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