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Date: 04 Sep 2006 15:25:00
From: Dave E
Subject: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Hi all,
In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened
to mention that as the orbit of the space craft decayed they had flown over
an Apollo landing site (I forget which one) and had taken pictures of the
area. He went on to say that beacause of camera resolution and the
relatively small size of the LEM legs a fully detailed picture was probably
not feasible but the elongated shadows of the structure was a distinct
possibility. They would have to see what turns up as the massive amounts of
data collected is sifted through and looked at.
I am looking forward to the pictures for nostalgic reasons (I am 55 and
remember those years vividly), and also it being the first time Apollo
equipment has been photographed in situ.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
Dave.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 16:23:43
From: Thomas
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:gzXKg.7071$SH2.195@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi all,
> In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened

We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
wackjobs up for good!

Date: 04 Sep 2006 16:49:38
From: David Nakamoto
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 16:31:17
From: Richard Tobin
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

In article <jqYKg.3660$0k7.2783@clgrps13 >,
Thomas <Thomas@telusplanet.net > wrote:

>We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
>wackjobs up for good!

Nothing will shut them up. When arguing against them, your audience is
the public, not the loonies themselves.

-- Richard

Date: 05 Sep 2006 02:29:28
From: Wally
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Richard Tobin wrote:

> In article <jqYKg.3660$0k7.2783@clgrps13>,
> Thomas <Thomas@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> >We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
> >wackjobs up for good!
>
> Nothing will shut them up.

agree! I can already hear them slithering for a strong rebuttal. There is
no
Antarctica - its a HOAX!

> When arguing against them, your audience is
> the public, not the loonies themselves.
>
> -- Richard

Date: 04 Sep 2006 14:04:04
From: Davoud
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Dave E:
> > In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> > presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> > team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened

Thomas:
> We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
> wackjobs up for good!

And we never will. The operative word here is "wackjobs," not
reasonable skeptics.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:43:51
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"Thomas" <Thomas@telusplanet.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:gzXKg.7071$SH2.195@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>> Hi all,
>> In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
>> presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
>> team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he
>> happened
>
>
> We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
> wackjobs up for good!
>

How long before they start telling us that Smart-1 was a Hollywood backlot
stunt??

Damn -- I shouldn't have said that -- don't want to give them ideas.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 17:06:01
From: Gareth Slee
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Dave E <david.az@ntlworld.com > wrote:

> Hi all,
> In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened
> to mention that as the orbit of the space craft decayed they had flown over
> an Apollo landing site (I forget which one) and had taken pictures of the
> area. He went on to say that beacause of camera resolution and the
> relatively small size of the LEM legs a fully detailed picture was probably
> not feasible but the elongated shadows of the structure was a distinct
> possibility. They would have to see what turns up as the massive amounts of
> data collected is sifted through and looked at.
> I am looking forward to the pictures for nostalgic reasons (I am 55 and
> remember those years vividly), and also it being the first time Apollo
> equipment has been photographed in situ.
> Keeping my fingers crossed.
> Dave.

Dave
I forwarded this to sci.space.history
I'm sure they'll be interested.

--
Gareth Slee

Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:37:39
From: Dave E
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"Gareth Slee" <gax.slee@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:1hl5gt5.1ndjqtn1ggffeoN%gax.slee@ntlworld.com...
> Dave E <david.az@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> > presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> > team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he
happened
> > to mention that as the orbit of the space craft decayed they had flown
over
> > an Apollo landing site (I forget which one) and had taken pictures of
the
> > area. He went on to say that beacause of camera resolution and the
> > relatively small size of the LEM legs a fully detailed picture was
probably
> > not feasible but the elongated shadows of the structure was a distinct
> > possibility. They would have to see what turns up as the massive amounts
of
> > data collected is sifted through and looked at.
> > I am looking forward to the pictures for nostalgic reasons (I am 55 and
> > remember those years vividly), and also it being the first time Apollo
> > equipment has been photographed in situ.
> > Keeping my fingers crossed.
> > Dave.
>
>
> Dave
> I forwarded this to sci.space.history
> I'm sure they'll be interested.
>
> --
> Gareth Slee
Thanks Gareth. Never thought of that.
As for the "moon hoax theories". I try to stay out of the debate as it's a
lesson in futility. Whatever conspiracy theories crop up it is usually of
the kind were the facts cannot be proven one way or the other. Ergo fertile
ground for "what if" theories. The big mistake they have made this time is
that the proof is sitting there on the moon. Sometime, sooner or later, the
Apollo equipment will be photographed and almost certainly revisited by
manned space progams. There is going to be quite a few red faces around when
the Apollo 11 landing site is designated a World Heritage site.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 19:05:38
From: David Nakamoto
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Dave E wrote:
> "Gareth Slee" <gax.slee@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1hl5gt5.1ndjqtn1ggffeoN%gax.slee@ntlworld.com...
>> Dave E <david.az@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
>>> presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
>>> team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he
> happened
>>> to mention that as the orbit of the space craft decayed they had flown
> over
>>> an Apollo landing site (I forget which one) and had taken pictures of
> the
>>> area. He went on to say that beacause of camera resolution and the
>>> relatively small size of the LEM legs a fully detailed picture was
> probably
>>> not feasible but the elongated shadows of the structure was a distinct
>>> possibility. They would have to see what turns up as the massive amounts
> of
>>> data collected is sifted through and looked at.
>>> I am looking forward to the pictures for nostalgic reasons (I am 55 and
>>> remember those years vividly), and also it being the first time Apollo
>>> equipment has been photographed in situ.
>>> Keeping my fingers crossed.
>>> Dave.
>>
>> Dave
>> I forwarded this to sci.space.history
>> I'm sure they'll be interested.
>>
>> --
>> Gareth Slee
> Thanks Gareth. Never thought of that.
> As for the "moon hoax theories". I try to stay out of the debate as it's a
> lesson in futility. Whatever conspiracy theories crop up it is usually of
> the kind were the facts cannot be proven one way or the other. Ergo fertile
> ground for "what if" theories. The big mistake they have made this time is
> that the proof is sitting there on the moon. Sometime, sooner or later, the
> Apollo equipment will be photographed and almost certainly revisited by
> manned space progams. There is going to be quite a few red faces around when
> the Apollo 11 landing site is designated a World Heritage site.

You don't understand the hardcore fanatic then. No matter what physical
evidence is brought up, they will continue to believe their ideas. They
practically live within their ideas, and no amount of evidence will move
them.

If you argue against them here, it should be to persuade other people of
the invalidity of their ideas, not the fanatics.

Clear and Steady Nights,
--- Dave

Date: 05 Sep 2006 00:13:36
From: Johnny Borborigmi
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

On 2006-09-04 15:05:38 -0400, David Nakamoto <david.nakamoto@verizon.net > said:

> You don't understand the hardcore fanatic then. No matter what
> physical evidence is brought up, they will continue to believe their
> ideas. They practically live within their ideas, and no amount of
> evidence will move them.

Yet they'll believe aliens have been here based on horrible photos and
videos and heresay.......
go figure....

Date: 04 Sep 2006 14:47:31
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Dave E wrote:
> As for the "moon hoax theories". I try to stay out of the debate as it's a
> lesson in futility. Whatever conspiracy theories crop up it is usually of
> the kind were the facts cannot be proven one way or the other. Ergo fertile
> ground for "what if" theories. The big mistake they have made this time is
> that the proof is sitting there on the moon. Sometime, sooner or later, the
> Apollo equipment will be photographed and almost certainly revisited by
> manned space progams. There is going to be quite a few red faces around when
> the Apollo 11 landing site is designated a World Heritage site.

I'm not sure everyone realizes that it is not possible to produce
evidence that will quiet the moon hoax believers. (I.e., if they didn't
believe the first manned moon exploration happened, why in the world
would they believe a subsequent one did?) Any sort of photographic
proof presented will be deemed to have been faked.

--
St. John
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation.
-H.H. Munro, "Saki"

Date: 05 Sep 2006 00:12:06
From: Johnny Borborigmi
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

On 2006-09-04 14:47:31 -0400, "St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > said:

> Dave E wrote:
>> As for the "moon hoax theories". I try to stay out of the debate as it's a
>> lesson in futility. Whatever conspiracy theories crop up it is usually of
>> the kind were the facts cannot be proven one way or the other. Ergo fertile
>> ground for "what if" theories. The big mistake they have made this time is
>> that the proof is sitting there on the moon. Sometime, sooner or later, the
>> Apollo equipment will be photographed and almost certainly revisited by
>> manned space progams. There is going to be quite a few red faces around when
>> the Apollo 11 landing site is designated a World Heritage site.
>
> I'm not sure everyone realizes that it is not possible to produce
> evidence that will quiet the moon hoax believers. (I.e., if they didn't
> believe the first manned moon exploration happened, why in the world
> would they believe a subsequent one did?) Any sort of photographic
> proof presented will be deemed to have been faked.

Absolutley True unfortunately......

Date: 04 Sep 2006 19:54:57
From: Gareth Slee
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

St. John Smythe <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote:

> Dave E wrote:
> > As for the "moon hoax theories". I try to stay out of the debate as it's a
> > lesson in futility. Whatever conspiracy theories crop up it is usually of
> > the kind were the facts cannot be proven one way or the other. Ergo fertile
> > ground for "what if" theories. The big mistake they have made this time is
> > that the proof is sitting there on the moon. Sometime, sooner or later, the
> > Apollo equipment will be photographed and almost certainly revisited by
> > manned space progams. There is going to be quite a few red faces around when
> > the Apollo 11 landing site is designated a World Heritage site.
>
> I'm not sure everyone realizes that it is not possible to produce
> evidence that will quiet the moon hoax believers. (I.e., if they didn't
> believe the first manned moon exploration happened, why in the world
> would they believe a subsequent one did?) Any sort of photographic
> proof presented will be deemed to have been faked.

The hardcore moon hoax guys will never be convinced, but the general
public would believe the produced photos, and I'm more worried about
them than the nutcases.

--
Gareth Slee

Date: 05 Sep 2006 00:11:15
From: Johnny Borborigmi
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

On 2006-09-04 11:25:00 -0400, "Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com > said:

> Hi all,
> In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened
> to mention that as the orbit of the space craft decayed they had flown over
> an Apollo landing site (I forget which one) and had taken pictures of the
> area. He went on to say that beacause of camera resolution and the
> relatively small size of the LEM legs a fully detailed picture was probably
> not feasible but the elongated shadows of the structure was a distinct
> possibility. They would have to see what turns up as the massive amounts of
> data collected is sifted through and looked at.
> I am looking forward to the pictures for nostalgic reasons (I am 55 and
> remember those years vividly), and also it being the first time Apollo
> equipment has been photographed in situ.
> Keeping my fingers crossed.
> Dave.

That would be great, I was 11 at the time of Apollo 11 and was GLUED to
the TV. Don't hold your hand on your butt though, you know how hard
resolving those sites are with current technology....

Date: 04 Sep 2006 16:45:21
From: tension_on_the_wire
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

RMOLLISE wrote:

> Thomas wrote:
> > We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
> > wackjobs up for good!
>
> And you never, ever will. Even if you transported them to one of the
> landing sites right now, and showed them the LEM landing stage, the
> Moonloons would continue in full cry. They'd simply say, "Oh, that LEM
> stage was part of an unmanned mission." The footprints and artifacts?
> "You came here before me and put 'em there. IT'S A HOAX, I TELLS YA!"
>
>

You know, if you did transport them to one of the landing sites right
now, it wouldn't really matter what they said after that....you could
just leave them there. They might spend the rest of their lives
transmitting their co-ordinates for a rescue, but who would believe
them? They are the masters of the hoax, after all.

--tension

Date: 04 Sep 2006 15:14:48
From: Coppy Littlehouse
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Thomas wrote:

> Just the same, I WOULD like to see a clear image of LEW

Who is Lew? Cindy Lew-Hoo?

Date: 04 Sep 2006 23:25:33
From: Thomas
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:51:41
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"Coppy Littlehouse" <coppylittlehouse@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157408088.887197.195100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Thomas wrote:
>
>> Just the same, I WOULD like to see a clear image of LEW
>
> Who is Lew? Cindy Lew-Hoo?
>

No, he misspelled "loo" -- you know, "loo" -- British for "toilet" -- where
do you think the guys who went to the moon took a shit?

Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:09:33
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Thomas wrote:
> "Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:gzXKg.7071$SH2.195@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > Hi all,
> > In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
> > presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart 1
> > team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he happened
>
>
> We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
> wackjobs up for good!

And you never, ever will. Even if you transported them to one of the
landing sites right now, and showed them the LEM landing stage, the
Moonloons would continue in full cry. They'd simply say, "Oh, that LEM
stage was part of an unmanned mission." The footprints and artifacts?
"You came here before me and put 'em there. IT'S A HOAX, I TELLS YA!"

:-)

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland >
The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
<http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/ >

Date: 04 Sep 2006 20:31:09
From: Thomas
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157400573.371570.190550@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thomas wrote:
>> "Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:gzXKg.7071$SH2.195@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>> > Hi all,
>> > In this weeks "Sky at Night" programme, a monthly British astronomy TV
>> > presentation, one of the featured guests was a member of the ESA Smart
>> > 1
>> > team. In the conversation he was having with Sir Patrick Moore he
>> > happened
>>
>>
>> We have yet to get any photo evidence of the LEM that would shut the
>> wackjobs up for good!
>
> And you never, ever will. Even if you transported them to one of the
> landing sites right now, and showed them the LEM landing stage, the
> Moonloons would continue in full cry. They'd simply say, "Oh, that LEM
> stage was part of an unmanned mission." The footprints and artifacts?
> "You came here before me and put 'em there. IT'S A HOAX, I TELLS YA!"
>

Just the same, I WOULD like to see a clear image of LEW

Date: 06 Sep 2006 05:31:24
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

"Dave E" <david.az@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:gzXKg.7071$SH2.195@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net

> Keeping my fingers crossed.

Sorry to say, those NASA/Apollo cows are never coming home.
-
Brad Guth

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Date: 05 Sep 2006 22:20:26
From: tension_on_the_wire
Subject: Re: Smart 1 may have photographed Apollo LEM.

Wally wrote:
> Richard Tobin wrote:
>
> > In article <jqYKg.3660$0k7.2783@clgrps13>,
> > Thomas <Thomas@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> >
> >snip<

> > Nothing will shut them up.
>
> agree! I can already hear them slithering for a strong rebuttal. There is
> no
> Antarctica - its a HOAX!
>
>
>
There isssss nooooo Evvvvvveressssst. There isssss nooooo
Marrrriaaaanaaa Treeenccchhhh. Theeeee Earrrrrrth isssss flaaaaaaat.
Don't ssssaillll, you willlll fallll offff the eddddggggge of theeeee
Earrrrrth.

Betcha their ancestors were very busy convincing everyone in Spain that
Amerigo Vespucci & Christopher Columbus were conspiracy artists and
that the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria could be found behind an
island in the Caspian Sea with a really good ship's artist painting
great shots except look....the flag was hanging down, so the ships
couldn't have really been sailing anywhere!

---tension