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Date: 26 Oct 2006 13:28:40
From: Rich
Subject: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
years back.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 02:37:22
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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I think Patrick Moore decided to morph into Winston Churchill minus the
cigar http://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/Default.asp?bhcp=1
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 15:52:12
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161894520.694634.228830@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> years back.
>
Well, I have no data here. One has to be VERY careful of what Rich says,
since much is simply troll bait...
But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present, though a
handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade Chinese
connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
I certainly don't expect these to be in direct competition with AP or TMB
APOs, but I think they might be very interesting in the consumer market...
--
Jan Owen
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 01:04:22
From: George Normandin
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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"Jan Owen" < > wrote
...
> ...........
> But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present, though
a
> handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade Chinese
> connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
Jan,
I may be interested in one of those too! How do you know that they are
Chinese? The Meade rep at NEAF this year told me that the 127mm lens will
be made in Japan and the rest of the scope in the US. Was he mis-informed?
George N
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 19:30:32
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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"George Normandin" <georgepn@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:qWc0h.359852$QM6.152041@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Jan Owen" <> wrote
> ...
>> ...........
>> But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present, though
> a
>> handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade
>> Chinese
>> connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
>
> Jan,
>
> I may be interested in one of those too! How do you know that they are
> Chinese? The Meade rep at NEAF this year told me that the 127mm lens will
> be made in Japan and the rest of the scope in the US. Was he mis-informed?
>
> George N
>
No, there has been no leak from Meade, on condition of anonymity, like is
typical of the US press on political matters, that this scope is made in
China...
Just a number of clues pieced together from things Meade has said, and
*photos* of the vaporware...
I'd be more comfortable with a triplet from Japan, for sure, but I don't
think you could get an OTA of this aperture from Japan (or assembled in the
US using an objective from Japan) for anything even remotely close to the
advertised price, even though this ISN'T made with the best ED glass,
according to other data from Meade...
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:40:01
From: lal_truckee
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Rich wrote:
> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> years back.
Where can we buy a 4 inch apo OTA, that tests well on the bench, for $800?
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 15:20:28
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Rich wrote:
> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> years back.
Hi Rich:
Astronomy Now?
At any rate, while I haven't used a Stellarvue 100mm, I've been
mightily impressed by the new Chinese apos I've looked through,
particularly the WO 80s and 66es.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 00:41:47
From: Pete Lawrence
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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On 26 2006 15:20:28 -0700, "RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>
>Rich wrote:
>> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
>> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
>> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
>> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
>> years back.
>
>Hi Rich:
>
>Astronomy Now?
No, it was the BBC Sky at Night magazine, September 2006 issue.
--
Pete
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 17:06:03
From: T. Bloompaster Weatherford
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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On 26 2006 13:28:40 -0700, "Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote:
>Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
>refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
>the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
>gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
>years back.
---
And in other news, I beat a Chinese checkers player in chess.
T. Bloompaster Weatherford
"People scare better when they're dying"
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:25:46
From: Darian
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Rich wrote:
> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> years back.
Rich, Is there a link to this article?
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:23:35
From: Darian
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Mike wrote:
> I think Patrick Moore decided to morph into Winston Churchill minus the
> cigar http://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/Default.asp?bhcp=1
Also, Churchill's little hat he used to wear.
I can just see Moore giving a talk at an astronomy club and in the
middle of a sentence pertaining to telescopes, lapse into a Churchill
routine; ".......their finest hour".
:)
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:11:17
From: Pierre Vandevenne
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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thad@thadlabs.com wrote:
> 1. Sky-Watcher Evostar-100ED2 Pro (UKP 799)
> 2. Televue 102i (UKP 2,200)
> 3. Borg 101ED (UKP 1,361)
> 4. William Optics Zenithstar 110 (UKP 1,599.99)
> 5. Stellarvue 105ED (UKP 2,899)
Ah, the 105ED, no less.
Hmmm, which triplet? Let me guess...
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 02:45:25
From:
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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lal_truckee wrote:
> Rich wrote:
> > Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> > refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> > the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> > gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> > years back.
>
> Where can we buy a 4 inch apo OTA, that tests well on the bench, for $800?
The price was UKP 799 (that's UK pounds, not US$). The tests appeared
in
the September 2006 issue of "BBC Sky at Night", pages 90-98. Tested
were
and "win" order are:
1. Sky-Watcher Evostar-100ED2 Pro (UKP 799)
2. Televue 102i (UKP 2,200)
3. Borg 101ED (UKP 1,361)
4. William Optics Zenithstar 110 (UKP 1,599.99)
5. Stellarvue 105ED (UKP 2,899)
Skywatcher's web site is <http://www.skywatchertelescope.net/ >
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 12:02:50
From: Michael McCulloch
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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On 27 2006 02:45:25 -0700, thad@thadlabs.com wrote:
>1. Sky-Watcher Evostar-100ED2 Pro (UKP 799)
>2. Televue 102i (UKP 2,200)
>3. Borg 101ED (UKP 1,361)
>4. William Optics Zenithstar 110 (UKP 1,599.99)
>5. Stellarvue 105ED (UKP 2,899)
Never heard of a Stellarvue 105ED. There was once a Stellarvue 105
f/6.2 made with a TMB triplet.
If that is the scope tested, then you are comparing an f/9 scope
(Skywatcher) to an f/6.2 scope (Stellarvue). Sort of an apples and
oranges comparison. If the test was photographic, was a flattener of
any design used with the Stellarvue?
If the test was visual, don't you think identical EPs would perform
better in an f/9 scope than at f/6.2?
You can pry my SV105 out of my cold, dead hands.
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Michael McCulloch
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:26:26
From: Pierre Vandevenne
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in news:1161894520.694634.228830
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> years back.
It is not surprising, my skywatcher 80 ED is, on the whole, at least as
good as my TMB 115. Colour correction, the focuser (feathertouch) are
better on the TMB, but for the rest (star test, aspect of the field in the
corners of CCD/SLR exposures, etc...) the 80ED has the edge.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:27:15
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Jan Owen wrote:
> "George Normandin" <georgepn@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:qWc0h.359852$QM6.152041@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "Jan Owen" <> wrote
> > ...
> >> ...........
> >> But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present, though
> > a
> >> handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade
> >> Chinese
> >> connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
> >
> > Jan,
> >
> > I may be interested in one of those too! How do you know that they are
> > Chinese? The Meade rep at NEAF this year told me that the 127mm lens will
> > be made in Japan and the rest of the scope in the US. Was he mis-informed?
> >
> > George N
> >
>
> No, there has been no leak from Meade, on condition of anonymity, like is
> typical of the US press on political matters, that this scope is made in
> China...
>
> Just a number of clues pieced together from things Meade has said, and
> *photos* of the vaporware...
>
> I'd be more comfortable with a triplet from Japan, for sure, but I don't
> think you could get an OTA of this aperture from Japan (or assembled in the
> US using an objective from Japan) for anything even remotely close to the
> advertised price, even though this ISN'T made with the best ED glass,
> according to other data from Meade...
>
For someone highly unlikely to buy the scope, you sure do whine enough
about it.
-Rich
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:45:02
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161991635.482361.84890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jan Owen wrote:
>> "George Normandin" <georgepn@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:qWc0h.359852$QM6.152041@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > "Jan Owen" <> wrote
>> > ...
>> >> ...........
>> >> But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present,
>> >> though
>> > a
>> >> handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade
>> >> Chinese
>> >> connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
>> >
>> > Jan,
>> >
>> > I may be interested in one of those too! How do you know that they
>> > are
>> > Chinese? The Meade rep at NEAF this year told me that the 127mm lens
>> > will
>> > be made in Japan and the rest of the scope in the US. Was he
>> > mis-informed?
>> >
>> > George N
>> >
>>
>> No, there has been no leak from Meade, on condition of anonymity, like is
>> typical of the US press on political matters, that this scope is made in
>> China...
>>
>> Just a number of clues pieced together from things Meade has said, and
>> *photos* of the vaporware...
>>
>> I'd be more comfortable with a triplet from Japan, for sure, but I don't
>> think you could get an OTA of this aperture from Japan (or assembled in
>> the
>> US using an objective from Japan) for anything even remotely close to the
>> advertised price, even though this ISN'T made with the best ED glass,
>> according to other data from Meade...
>>
>
> For someone highly unlikely to buy the scope, you sure do whine enough
> about it.
> -Rich
>
Rich,
You are really ONLY a troll...
And most folks understand that...
But let me help you here...
I've been on the waiting list for one of the Meade 127mm triplets since
March...
You never have a clue... All you are looking for is some sort of attention,
as are most mentally disturbed trolls... So have fun... Or take your
meds...
In the meantime, go suck your thumb, or whatever...
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:38:53
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Rich,
As one of the worst TROLLS on SAA, your comments are not only dubious, but
mostly only self-serving...
Once upon a time, I respected what you had to say, but no longer...
Now, you don't have ANYTHING worthwile to say... Just trollbait...
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161991635.482361.84890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jan Owen wrote:
>> "George Normandin" <georgepn@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:qWc0h.359852$QM6.152041@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> > "Jan Owen" <> wrote
>> > ...
>> >> ...........
>> >> But I DO have some interest in the upcoming (vaporware at present,
>> >> though
>> > a
>> >> handful of the little ones have made it into consumer hands) Meade
>> >> Chinese
>> >> connection 80 and 127mm triplet APO's...
>> >
>> > Jan,
>> >
>> > I may be interested in one of those too! How do you know that they
>> > are
>> > Chinese? The Meade rep at NEAF this year told me that the 127mm lens
>> > will
>> > be made in Japan and the rest of the scope in the US. Was he
>> > mis-informed?
>> >
>> > George N
>> >
>>
>> No, there has been no leak from Meade, on condition of anonymity, like is
>> typical of the US press on political matters, that this scope is made in
>> China...
>>
>> Just a number of clues pieced together from things Meade has said, and
>> *photos* of the vaporware...
>>
>> I'd be more comfortable with a triplet from Japan, for sure, but I don't
>> think you could get an OTA of this aperture from Japan (or assembled in
>> the
>> US using an objective from Japan) for anything even remotely close to the
>> advertised price, even though this ISN'T made with the best ED glass,
>> according to other data from Meade...
>>
>
> For someone highly unlikely to buy the scope, you sure do whine enough
> about it.
> -Rich
>
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:25:55
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Darian wrote:
> Rich wrote:
> > Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> > refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> > the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> > gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> > years back.
>
> Rich, Is there a link to this article?
I doubt it. I saw the article in the magazine. I don't think they'd
post the whole thing on the net.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:42:17
From:
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Rich wrote:
> Darian wrote:
> > Rich wrote:
> > > Latest ed. of a British astro mag (Astronomy) tested five high-end
> > > refractors. Interesting results, especially the optical tests two in
> > > the subject line. Both were 100mm apos. The Chinese one was the new
> > > gold version of the inexpensive basic apos that came on scene a few
> > > years back.
> >
> > Rich, Is there a link to this article?
>
> I doubt it. I saw the article in the magazine. I don't think they'd
> post the whole thing on the net.
They do have a webpage:
<http://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/ >
but the articles and reviews don't appear to be online.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:06:53
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Scope test; $800 Chinese beats $2800 Stellarvue
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Jan Owen wrote:
> Rich,
>
> As one of the worst TROLLS on SAA, your comments are not only dubious, but
> mostly only self-serving...
>
> Once upon a time, I respected what you had to say, but no longer...
>
> Now, you don't have ANYTHING worthwile to say... Just trollbait...
>
Snore. And yet you feel the need to interject. P.S. If what the
magazine said hurt your little expensive apo feelings, go cry to them.
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