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Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:13:11
From: astronut
Subject: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it.
My apologies for the off-topic, I have actually not posted here for a
while but I'm compelled to take the word to the proverbial streets.
Many astronomers know me and know my logical methodology of thinking.
I feel that as a responsible American, one that bases all my beliefs
and convictions on logical thought processes and factual evidence, I am
bound by a love for fellow Americans and our way of life as spelled out
in the Constitution some 230 years ago, to make aware as many as I
possibly can about the current crimes and fascism brought about by our
own government and several corporate entities prior to 9/11/01 up to
the present. As paranoid as it may sound to some of you, the claim is
that a conspiracy (including many government officials all the up to
the president, past presidents Clinton and George Senior, and British
Prime Minister Tony Blair) has been the cause of the destruction of the
3 World Trade Center buildings, the death of 3000 Americans on that
day, the infiltration of Afghanistan and Iraq, the death of 3000 US and
other nation's soldiers, the death of up to 100,000 civilians to date
in those 2 wars, and the corporate profiteering of all involved on a
level never imagined by any American in history. The evidence is so
overwhelming, enough that lectures and rallies are being held
nationwide at many colleges and universities, sanctioned by thousands
of math, science, political, and ethical professionals. You only need
to do a local search to find an event in your own area. I challenge
any skeptic to attend and give clear concise evidence to refute any
info presented at the event. Those who are not sure its worth
attending, do your own research before hand. You will not find just a
couple of websites or noted professionals with dedicated websites or
independent investigations/analysis, you will find thousands. The
amassed evidence does not come from a rooted conspiracy theory that
conveniently finds pieces to fit the puzzle (unless you're scrutinizing
the government's story), but rather every bit of evidence on its own
validity comes together with all the others to paint a clear picture
all by itself. Doubters should be hesitant to debate the issue unless
you have scrutinized the enormous amount of evidence yourself, and/or
attend a lecture on the subject. Those that are not a part of this
movement yet are clearly:
those who have not been made aware yet of what's really going on (for
lack of the internet which is the only place the info can't be
controlled by the government which controls mainstream media and the
associated press)
those who doubt the general info presented to them by others (written
off as paranoid delusions or somebody who just believes everything they
read) and failed to do their own research to factually refute it
or those who vehemently deny that the crimes before us could really go
so deep without giving any credence to the enormous evidence at hand
which to me translates to blind faith in a twisted government and a
well-oiled propaganda machine at work.
I look at all this evidence and ask myself "how could they possibly
think they could get away with this?", the answer is simple. For the
same reason that:
Hitler faked an attack on Germany so that he could invade Poland,
President Eisenhower's faked attack on a US ship to blame Egypt
followed by an invasion (plot was foiled by a Russian spy ship showing
up during the attack, President Johnson's faking of a North Vietnam
attack to launch us into war in Vietnam (the last 2 are both recently
proven by classified documents released by our own government),
the Bay of Pigs,
the Kennedy assassination,
the apparent slap on the hand for the Iran/Contra affair (for which 4
noted conspirators currently work for the Bush administration,
including Rumsfeld),
Clinton's Whitewater scandal,
The list goes on but what they all have in common is that these
governments have all relied on blind complacency that is, and has
always been, commonplace in America and the world (with propaganda
tactics working hard to keep it that way), toting a noble cause while
executing a hidden agenda. We believe what they tell us, no questions
asked. And when we do ask questions, they are either swept under the
rug or as in today's state of affairs, you are labeled a terrorist
sympathizer for daring to question the events of 9/11 or the US's
current foreign policy. I call upon the common sense of intelligent
Americans to see for themselves, there are events/rallies all across
America this weekend in recognition of the 5 year anniversary for 9/11.
As American citizens, for our country, our own democracy, our own
children, and all humanity, it is our duty to review the evidence
before us, and collectively attack this issue if we expect to truly
gain control of the crisis before its too late and we become the next
crumbling British Empire. It starts first with exposing the truth for
your self, then spreading the word. We can sit back with the mentality
of a hopeless voter "What difference does one vote make?", or we can
collectively demand justice and a proper investigation to hold those
accountable who are responsible for these crimes against America and
all humanity. I apologize again for the off topic, but this takes
precedence in that it affects every American on a grand scale and I've
chosen to take advantage of collectively informing as many as possible.
I will not take part in any discussion that ensues from this notice as
my time is monopolized for this and other reasons presently, but have
submitted several links (below) to allow others to review the evidence
at the more prominent sites in the cause. It is truly an
understatement when I say "you won't believe what you find", not
without becoming frustrated at the true severity of what's going on.
Oh,
And for a certain Republican supporting/liberal bashing psycho who's
always proven himself slightly unstable, it's been liberal thinking
thru out history that has created the freedoms we have today. I
suggest you focus on the third link regarding Fascism. Read it and the
accompanying links until you understand it if you are capable of any
truly logical thought.
Respectfully,
Lawrence Patriarca
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
This is an organization of scholars including at least 1 from each
college hosting the event Saturday and Monday night.
http://www.911timeline.net/
Comprehensive timeline of the events of 9/11, irrefutable proof of the
militaries stand down in intercepting any of the supposedly hijacked
planes
http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm A must read, evidence of the
repeated trampling of rights and the Constitution.
Description from the web site:
In his original article, "Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt (interview)
compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and
Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist
regimes. This page is a collection of news articles dating from the
start of the Bush presidency divided into topics relating to each of
the 14 points of fascism
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:10:30
From: whowell
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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astronut wrote:
> Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it.
>
> My apologies for the off-topic, I have actually not posted here for a
> while but I'm compelled to take the word to the proverbial streets.
>
> Many astronomers know me and know my logical methodology of thinking.
When did you plan to show that "logical methodology of thinking."?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 22:06:43
From: lal_truckee
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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astronut wrote:
> ...my logical methodology of thinking.
absolutely. logical.
Who are you really? "Curly?" "Shemp?" "Moe?" I'm running out of
possibles here, so fess up!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 15:40:22
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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astronut wrote:
So much for logic and reason.
SUPER-MEGA PLONK
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
To reply take out your eye
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:11:25
From: astronut
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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>When did you plan to show that "logical methodology of thinking."?
I displayed it for myself when I scrutinized all the evidence and drew
my own logical conclusions and the post was to challenge others to do
the same. My results parallel the same results of many competent
individuals across America currently, including MANY lawyers, physics
and math professors, economic and political experts, retired and active
military and politicians. The biggest holdup is the fear of
repercussions because of narrow uninformed retalitory attacks. If you
do not understand that, then you have not reviewed the evidence
yourself and are content with biased, uninformed opinions that quote
the contrary with no valid evidence to support it other than what the
government is telling you. My goal was to put the evidence out there
for anyone concerned to read (links at the bottom of the original
post), but I also conceded that more complacent, blind government faith
supporters would bash the post without even offering an ounce of
evidence to support the governments story or review and successfully
refute the evidence that is available for personal scrutiny. Are you
one of these people? If you are, then you're no different the niave
German people who followed Hitler into war, you are no different than
the average American who thought we went to Vietnam for a good reason,
and you are no different than the many Americans today who would label
me a "terrorist or Muslim sympathizer" just because I would dare to
question what really happened on 9/11. I, like all Americans, want
justice for the thousand Americans who died on that day and in the wars
that have ensued since. But statements like "you're either with us, or
against us" smells of Salem Witch trials and the Spanish Inquisition.
If I'm wrong and you're right, then what are you afraid of? You have
nothing to lose and in fact should be able to easily prove the evidence
wrong. But you can't, so what if I'm right? We all have everything to
lose, except for those who are grossly profiting from the current
situation. And my name is signed to the post, you only need pay
attention to what is written. Anyone who has not sifted thru all the
evidence, will only post an opinion that is uniformed, uneducated,
biased, and arrogant which is the way the rest of the world sees all us
Americans currently. Is that the legacy we want to leave our children?
Would a judge in any court case only accept the prosecutions
testimony? There would be far more innocent people in jail if so.
Those currently in the know are simply asking for Due Process as
written in the constitution and Bill of Rights, with a full independent
investigation which the government has refused to cooperate and instead
labels anyone who dares to make such a request unamerican and a
supporter of terrorism. These rights are currently being trampled
everywhere in the US, ignorence in evaluating all the evidence yourself
is no different.
Respectfully,
Larry Patriarca
whowell wrote:
> astronut wrote:
> > Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it.
> >
> > My apologies for the off-topic, I have actually not posted here for a
> > while but I'm compelled to take the word to the proverbial streets.
> >
> > Many astronomers know me and know my logical methodology of thinking.
>
>
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 00:26:55
From: Wally
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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starting Halloweenie earlie?
astronut wrote:
> Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it.
>
> My apologies for the off-topic, I have actually not posted here for a
> while but I'm compelled to take the word to the proverbial streets.
>
> Many astronomers know me and know my logical methodology of thinking.
> I feel that as a responsible American, one that bases all my beliefs
> and convictions on logical thought processes and factual evidence, I am
> bound by a love for fellow Americans and our way of life as spelled out
> in the Constitution some 230 years ago, to make aware as many as I
> possibly can about the current crimes and fascism brought about by our
> own government and several corporate entities prior to 9/11/01 up to
> the present. As paranoid as it may sound to some of you, the claim is
> that a conspiracy (including many government officials all the up to
> the president, past presidents Clinton and George Senior, and British
> Prime Minister Tony Blair) has been the cause of the destruction of the
> 3 World Trade Center buildings, the death of 3000 Americans on that
> day, the infiltration of Afghanistan and Iraq, the death of 3000 US and
> other nation's soldiers, the death of up to 100,000 civilians to date
> in those 2 wars, and the corporate profiteering of all involved on a
> level never imagined by any American in history. The evidence is so
> overwhelming, enough that lectures and rallies are being held
> nationwide at many colleges and universities, sanctioned by thousands
> of math, science, political, and ethical professionals. You only need
> to do a local search to find an event in your own area. I challenge
> any skeptic to attend and give clear concise evidence to refute any
> info presented at the event. Those who are not sure its worth
> attending, do your own research before hand. You will not find just a
> couple of websites or noted professionals with dedicated websites or
> independent investigations/analysis, you will find thousands. The
> amassed evidence does not come from a rooted conspiracy theory that
> conveniently finds pieces to fit the puzzle (unless you're scrutinizing
> the government's story), but rather every bit of evidence on its own
> validity comes together with all the others to paint a clear picture
> all by itself. Doubters should be hesitant to debate the issue unless
> you have scrutinized the enormous amount of evidence yourself, and/or
> attend a lecture on the subject. Those that are not a part of this
> movement yet are clearly:
>
> those who have not been made aware yet of what's really going on (for
> lack of the internet which is the only place the info can't be
> controlled by the government which controls mainstream media and the
> associated press)
>
> those who doubt the general info presented to them by others (written
> off as paranoid delusions or somebody who just believes everything they
> read) and failed to do their own research to factually refute it
>
> or those who vehemently deny that the crimes before us could really go
> so deep without giving any credence to the enormous evidence at hand
> which to me translates to blind faith in a twisted government and a
> well-oiled propaganda machine at work.
>
> I look at all this evidence and ask myself "how could they possibly
> think they could get away with this?", the answer is simple. For the
> same reason that:
>
> Hitler faked an attack on Germany so that he could invade Poland,
>
> President Eisenhower's faked attack on a US ship to blame Egypt
> followed by an invasion (plot was foiled by a Russian spy ship showing
> up during the attack, President Johnson's faking of a North Vietnam
> attack to launch us into war in Vietnam (the last 2 are both recently
> proven by classified documents released by our own government),
>
> the Bay of Pigs,
>
> the Kennedy assassination,
>
> the apparent slap on the hand for the Iran/Contra affair (for which 4
> noted conspirators currently work for the Bush administration,
> including Rumsfeld),
>
> Clinton's Whitewater scandal,
>
> The list goes on but what they all have in common is that these
> governments have all relied on blind complacency that is, and has
> always been, commonplace in America and the world (with propaganda
> tactics working hard to keep it that way), toting a noble cause while
> executing a hidden agenda. We believe what they tell us, no questions
> asked. And when we do ask questions, they are either swept under the
> rug or as in today's state of affairs, you are labeled a terrorist
> sympathizer for daring to question the events of 9/11 or the US's
> current foreign policy. I call upon the common sense of intelligent
> Americans to see for themselves, there are events/rallies all across
> America this weekend in recognition of the 5 year anniversary for 9/11.
>
> As American citizens, for our country, our own democracy, our own
> children, and all humanity, it is our duty to review the evidence
> before us, and collectively attack this issue if we expect to truly
> gain control of the crisis before its too late and we become the next
> crumbling British Empire. It starts first with exposing the truth for
> your self, then spreading the word. We can sit back with the mentality
> of a hopeless voter "What difference does one vote make?", or we can
> collectively demand justice and a proper investigation to hold those
> accountable who are responsible for these crimes against America and
> all humanity. I apologize again for the off topic, but this takes
> precedence in that it affects every American on a grand scale and I've
> chosen to take advantage of collectively informing as many as possible.
>
> I will not take part in any discussion that ensues from this notice as
> my time is monopolized for this and other reasons presently, but have
> submitted several links (below) to allow others to review the evidence
> at the more prominent sites in the cause. It is truly an
> understatement when I say "you won't believe what you find", not
> without becoming frustrated at the true severity of what's going on.
>
> Oh,
> And for a certain Republican supporting/liberal bashing psycho who's
> always proven himself slightly unstable, it's been liberal thinking
> thru out history that has created the freedoms we have today. I
> suggest you focus on the third link regarding Fascism. Read it and the
> accompanying links until you understand it if you are capable of any
> truly logical thought.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lawrence Patriarca
>
> http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
>
> This is an organization of scholars including at least 1 from each
> college hosting the event Saturday and Monday night.
>
> http://www.911timeline.net/
>
> Comprehensive timeline of the events of 9/11, irrefutable proof of the
> militaries stand down in intercepting any of the supposedly hijacked
> planes
>
> http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm A must read, evidence of the
> repeated trampling of rights and the Constitution.
>
> Description from the web site:
>
> In his original article, "Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt (interview)
> compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and
> Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist
> regimes. This page is a collection of news articles dating from the
> start of the Bush presidency divided into topics relating to each of
> the 14 points of fascism
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 12:57:49
From: astronut
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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Wally wrote:
> starting Halloweenie earlie?
>
>
Why did you take the time to listen and go read the info for yourself
and still think its just a scary fiction story?
Try chewing on this which comes from documents released by the NSA:
"America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people
and commit acts of terrorism in US cities to trick the public into
supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. Approved in writing
by the Pentagon Joint Chiefs, Operation Northwoods even proposed
blowing up a US ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war."
(the 2 links are the evidence for this statement)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
No be a real american and have the courage to read the rest here
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg
Great place to start, you'll want to read more after getting to the end
of this page.
http://www.911timeline.net/
Comprehensive timeline of the events of 9/11, irrefutable proof of the
militaries stand down in intercepting any of the supposedly hijacked
planes.
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
This is an organization of scholars including at least 1 from each
college hosting the event Saturday and Monday night.
http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
A must read, evidence of the repeated trampling of rights and the
Constitution.
Description from the web site:
In his original article, "Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt (interview)
compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and
Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist
regimes. This page is a collection of news articles dating from the
start of the Bush presidency divided into topics relating to each of
the 14 points of fascism
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 01:06:59
From: Florian
Subject: Re: Read for yourself, the American Way of Life may depend on it
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Skeptic magazine has a good piece this week on the subject...
9/11 Conspiracy Theories: The 9/11 Truth Movement in Perspective
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html
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.Florian
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