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Date: 10 Nov 2006 01:32:26
From: THE MIN
Subject: RNC Strategy At Work...
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THE LIBERAL-dominated [D]s took the Senate by one seat,
with little protest--as if the RNC's top brass decided
up front to hand them the election on a silver platter:
knowing the hard-line radical left-wing Liberals Pelosi
& Co. would jump at the opportunity to impeach Bush and
hate God, Family, Country 24/7/365... business as usual.
But this evolving situation will make the Liberals more
angry and bitter than ever before--especially thanks to
President Bush, his unassailable veto power, and thanks
to our Republican-dominated USSC, who the Liberals will
learn to hate like they've never learned to hate before.
As long as mainstream conservative Republicans control
both Executive and Judicial branches of our U.S. Gov't,
and effectively prevent the Liberal [D]s from gaining
an overriding majority in the Legislature, that keeps
the [R]s in the driver's seat. And that's what counts.
The RNC already knew the House of Representatives had
become a lost cause, no matter what they did. But they
could've retained the majority in the Senate, if they'd
really wanted to. But the GOP war-room obviously didn't
want to. All things considered, I see the wisdom of it.
This is clearly part of the RNC's overall strategy to
prevent the Liberals from taking over the White House
in 2008. That's obviously more important, even mission-
critical, for achieving long-term success in defeating
Liberalism in America and around the world, than it was
to temporarily surrender the majority in both Houses of
Congress over to the Liberals at this mid-term juncture.
The War will escalate, and Liberals have no stomach for
battle. America will watch Liberals try to "cut and run".
The Liberal-controlled Congress will fall into gridlock,
since our President will veto any even slightly Liberal
legislation that the Liberal [D] caucus tries to sneak
past their more centrist--some actually conservative!--
[D] subordinates. No amount of "sugar-coating" will hide
their radical Liberal agenda from the Republican minority,
much less from the veto pen of President George W. Bush;
all likewise no less from the watchful eyes of American
voters. It's the Liberals' turn to get hammered 24/7/365!
So, the REAL fight is about to begin. Every day between
now and election-day Tuesday November 4th, 2008 AD (and
forever thereafter) will draw applause from moderate-to-
conservatives, and death rattles from expiring Liberals.
So ask yourself, did Republicans simply lose these mid-
term elections, or did the RNC "throw the fight", as it
were, because had [R]s won, then the Liberals would've
had a better shot in 2008 of taking the White House(!)?
As in 2000 and 2004, that proved entirely unacceptable,
since no Liberal could ever be permitted to occupy the
Oval Office. I see now that, while the GOP candidates
resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
between now and election-day 2008. THAT is what counts.
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 05:32:44
From: Flash Bazbo
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On 10 Nov 2006 01:32:26 -0000, THE MIN <anon@comments.header > wrote:
>So ask yourself, did Republicans simply lose these mid-
>term elections, or did the RNC "throw the fight", as it
>were, because had [R]s won, then the Liberals would've
>had a better shot in 2008 of taking the White House(!)?
Hmm...interesting theory. And it ranks right up there with Nancy
Lieder's "The Zetas Did It" theory.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta337.htm
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 04:26:19
From: Aidan
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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THE MIN wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
<*snip* >
>
> As long as mainstream conservative Republicans control
> both Executive and Judicial branches of our U.S. Gov't,
Control is probably to strong a word for what the Republicans now have,
wouldn't you think?
> and effectively prevent the Liberal [D]s from gaining
> an overriding majority in the Legislature, that keeps
> the [R]s in the driver's seat. And that's what counts.
>
> The RNC already knew the House of Representatives had
> become a lost cause, no matter what they did. But they
> could've retained the majority in the Senate, if they'd
> really wanted to. But the GOP war-room obviously didn't
> want to. All things considered, I see the wisdom of it.
Oh, right... they wanted to lose... yeah, that make perfect sense. Just
like the Democrats wanted to lose back in '94, sure.
LOL!
> This is clearly part of the RNC's overall strategy to
> prevent the Liberals from taking over the White House
> in 2008. That's obviously more important, even mission-
> critical, for achieving long-term success in defeating
> Liberalism in America and around the world, than it was
> to temporarily surrender the majority in both Houses of
> Congress over to the Liberals at this mid-term juncture.
> The War will escalate, and Liberals have no stomach for
> battle.
And yet at other times you say they're rabidly murderous killers? Make up
your mind Min... are liberals deranged killing machines, or little white
lilies with no fight sense?
> America will watch Liberals try to "cut and run".
>
> The Liberal-controlled Congress will fall into gridlock,
> since our President will veto any even slightly Liberal
> legislation that the Liberal [D] caucus tries to sneak
> past their more centrist--some actually conservative!--
> [D] subordinates. No amount of "sugar-coating" will hide
> their radical Liberal agenda from the Republican minority,
> much less from the veto pen of President George W. Bush;
> all likewise no less from the watchful eyes of American
> voters. It's the Liberals' turn to get hammered 24/7/365!
Haven't they been getting hammered consistently for the past 6 years? The
table has turned on the republicans...
> So, the REAL fight is about to begin. Every day between
> now and election-day Tuesday November 4th, 2008 AD (and
> forever thereafter) will draw applause from moderate-to-
> conservatives, and death rattles from expiring Liberals.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
> So ask yourself, did Republicans simply lose these mid-
> term elections
Yes.
> , or did the RNC "throw the fight", as it
> were, because had [R]s won, then the Liberals would've
> had a better shot in 2008 of taking the White House(!)?
No.
> As in 2000 and 2004, that proved entirely unacceptable,
> since no Liberal could ever be permitted to occupy the
> Oval Office. I see now that, while the GOP candidates
> resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
> what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
> between now and election-day 2008. THAT is what counts.
If the democrats have melt-downs that exceed the magnitude of what you're
experiencing... well, they might as well be cheese under a grill.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 03:14:13
From: THE scumbag MIN
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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In article <08Q8N5YU39030.8558564815@twistycreek.com >
THE MIN <anon@comments.header > wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN
Eat.Shit.And.Die!
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:27:27
From: Pat O'Connell
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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THE scumbag MIN wrote:
> In article <08Q8N5YU39030.8558564815@twistycreek.com>
> THE MIN <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN
>
> Eat.Shit.And.Die!
Yes, the Repubs did just that by losing both houses.
--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:05:06
From: Mark K. Bilbo
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:32:26 +0000, THE MIN wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> THE LIBERAL-dominated [D]s took the Senate by one seat,
> with little protest--as if the RNC's top brass decided
> up front to hand them the election on a silver platter:
> knowing the hard-line radical left-wing Liberals Pelosi
> & Co. would jump at the opportunity to impeach Bush and
> hate God, Family, Country 24/7/365... business as usual.
>
> But this evolving situation will make the Liberals more
> angry and bitter than ever before--especially thanks to
> President Bush, his unassailable veto power, and thanks
> to our Republican-dominated USSC, who the Liberals will
> learn to hate like they've never learned to hate before.
>
> As long as mainstream conservative Republicans control
> both Executive and Judicial branches of our U.S. Gov't,
> and effectively prevent the Liberal [D]s from gaining
> an overriding majority in the Legislature, that keeps
> the [R]s in the driver's seat. And that's what counts.
>
> The RNC already knew the House of Representatives had
> become a lost cause, no matter what they did. But they
> could've retained the majority in the Senate, if they'd
> really wanted to. But the GOP war-room obviously didn't
> want to. All things considered, I see the wisdom of it.
<snip >
No, dork, they *lost. Get it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"...otherwise, we're looking at the potential
of this kind of world:.... a world in which
oil reserves are controlled by radicals in order
to extract blackmail from the West..." [George Bush]
Wait... oil reserves?
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 18:56:42
From:
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work: Lie, Whine, Lie Some More, Whine Some More
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T
THE MIN wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> THE LIBERAL-dominated [D]s took the Senate by one seat,
> with little protest--as if the RNC's top brass decided
> up front to hand them the election on a silver platter:
> knowing the hard-line radical left-wing Liberals Pelosi
> & Co. would jump at the opportunity to impeach Bush and
> hate God, Family, Country 24/7/365... business as usual.
>
> But this evolving situation will make the Liberals more
> angry and bitter than ever before--especially thanks to
> President Bush, his unassailable veto power, and thanks
> to our Republican-dominated USSC, who the Liberals will
> learn to hate like they've never learned to hate before.
>
> As long as mainstream conservative Republicans control
> both Executive and Judicial branches of our U.S. Gov't,
> and effectively prevent the Liberal [D]s from gaining
> an overriding majority in the Legislature, that keeps
> the [R]s in the driver's seat. And that's what counts.
>
> The RNC already knew the House of Representatives had
> become a lost cause, no matter what they did. But they
> could've retained the majority in the Senate, if they'd
> really wanted to. But the GOP war-room obviously didn't
> want to. All things considered, I see the wisdom of it.
>
> This is clearly part of the RNC's overall strategy to
> prevent the Liberals from taking over the White House
> in 2008. That's obviously more important, even mission-
> critical, for achieving long-term success in defeating
> Liberalism in America and around the world, than it was
> to temporarily surrender the majority in both Houses of
> Congress over to the Liberals at this mid-term juncture.
> The War will escalate, and Liberals have no stomach for
> battle. America will watch Liberals try to "cut and run".
>
> The Liberal-controlled Congress will fall into gridlock,
> since our President will veto any even slightly Liberal
> legislation that the Liberal [D] caucus tries to sneak
> past their more centrist--some actually conservative!--
> [D] subordinates. No amount of "sugar-coating" will hide
> their radical Liberal agenda from the Republican minority,
> much less from the veto pen of President George W. Bush;
> all likewise no less from the watchful eyes of American
> voters. It's the Liberals' turn to get hammered 24/7/365!
>
> So, the REAL fight is about to begin. Every day between
> now and election-day Tuesday November 4th, 2008 AD (and
> forever thereafter) will draw applause from moderate-to-
> conservatives, and death rattles from expiring Liberals.
>
> So ask yourself, did Republicans simply lose these mid-
> term elections, or did the RNC "throw the fight", as it
> were, because had [R]s won, then the Liberals would've
> had a better shot in 2008 of taking the White House(!)?
> As in 2000 and 2004, that proved entirely unacceptable,
> since no Liberal could ever be permitted to occupy the
> Oval Office. I see now that, while the GOP candidates
> resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
> what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
> between now and election-day 2008. THAT is what counts.
>
> Enjoy!
> Daniel Joseph Min
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:39:15
From: John Lemke
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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"THE MIN" <anon@comments.header > fired up his crack pipe and wrote:
Someone needs to unchain you from the basement wall and let you outside for
a spell, Danny.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 20:20:20
From: Al Klein
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:39:15 -0500, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net > wrote:
>"THE MIN" <anon@comments.header> fired up his crack pipe and wrote:
>
>Someone needs to unchain you from the basement wall and let you outside for
>a spell, Danny.
Someone needs to shorten the chain, so that he can't reach the
computer.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 20:06:48
From: Perseid
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, THE MIN <anon@comments.header > Spat
the Words
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> THE LIBERAL-dominated [D]s took the Senate by one seat,
> with little protest--as if the RNC's top brass decided
> up front to hand them the election on a silver platter:
> knowing the hard-line radical left-wing Liberals Pelosi
> & Co. would jump at the opportunity to impeach Bush and
> hate God, Family, Country 24/7/365... business as usual.
Aww, Bush won't get impeached if he doesn't deserve it.
Personally I think the imminent investigations will target
a large number of top Bush advisers (possibly Cheney also)
who were giving the green light go to some very questionable
activities. Another likely target of investigations will be
the defense contracting in Iraq, and lack of adequate equipment
and safeguards for troops. You can bet some heads will roll
on this. I also have to question how debt collectors can be
set loose on injured troops returned from war and convalescing,
to collect on things like destroyed body armor and military
sign-up incentive bonuses.
Min, you keep on thinking about the world in terms of black
and white, democrat and republican. This is how children
see the world as it is much easier on an unformed brain.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 08:16:20
From:
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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RNC strategy at work:
Would that be the "Ignore the people, start a war, manage it badly, get
a lot of mon and pop's children killed" strategy.
If, it worked like a charm.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 01:46:55
From: raven1
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On 10 Nov 2006 01:32:26 -0000, THE MIN <anon@comments.header > wrote:
>THE LIBERAL-dominated [D]s took the Senate by one seat,
>with little protest--as if the RNC's top brass decided
>up front to hand them the election on a silver platter:
You're even more delusional than I thought if you think the RNC had
this outcome in mind.
>knowing the hard-line radical left-wing Liberals Pelosi
>& Co. would jump at the opportunity to impeach Bush
Pelosi has already said that this won't happen. We're not a bunch of
blithering idiots like the Repugs who impeached Clinton, or you, for
that matter.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 20:32:01
From: Al Klein
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On 10 Nov 2006 01:32:26 -0000, THE MIN <anon@comments.header > wrote:
>The Liberal-controlled Congress will fall into gridlock,
>since our President will veto any even slightly Liberal
>legislation that the Liberal [D] caucus tries to sneak
>past their more centrist--some actually conservative!--
>[D] subordinates.
All they have to do is paste a gay marriage bill to the pentagon
funding and he'll have his choice - turn off our military or allow gay
marriage. Then embryonic stem cell funding as part of another bill
that's critical to the functioning of the country.
If they do every appropriations bill like that (and they can put
whatever they want into them now), Bush has 3 choices:
1) Turn off the country
2) Sign legislation that will horrify every single fundy in the
country
3) Violate the law so badly that even the Republicans will have to
find him guilty at his impeachment.
>So ask yourself, did Republicans simply lose these mid-
>term elections, or did the RNC "throw the fight", as it
>were
If anyone "threw" Virginia, he committed numerous federal and local
felonies.
>I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
Another idiot melts down.
--
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priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00
From: Brian E. Clark
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com >, Al
Klein said...
> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>
> Another idiot melts down.
To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:08:13
From: Al Klein
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please > wrote:
>In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com>, Al
>Klein said...
>
>> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>>
>> Another idiot melts down.
>
>To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
Daniel Min(imum) came pre-melted. You've seen the "this is your brain
on drugs" TV commercial? He was conceived like that.
--
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one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
-- H. L. Mencken
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 07:55:38
From: Carl Wilson
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please > wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com>, Al
>Klein said...
>
>> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>>
>> Another idiot melts down.
>
>To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
ROFLMAO!
I gotta remember to put the coffee cup down *before* reading the posts
here! (It's bad on keyboards and monitors when you snort coffee on
them! -;)
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:08:45
From: Al Klein
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:55:38 GMT, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net >
wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00 -0500, Brian E. Clark
><reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>
>>In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com>, Al
>>Klein said...
>>
>>> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>>> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>>> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>>>
>>> Another idiot melts down.
>>
>>To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
>
>ROFLMAO!
>
>I gotta remember to put the coffee cup down *before* reading the posts
>here! (It's bad on keyboards and monitors when you snort coffee on
>them! -;)
Even worse when it come out of your ears. ;)
--
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:06:24
From: Carl Wilson
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:08:45 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid >
wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:55:38 GMT, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00 -0500, Brian E. Clark
>><reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com>, Al
>>>Klein said...
>>>
>>>> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>>>> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>>>> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>>>>
>>>> Another idiot melts down.
>>>
>>>To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
>>
>>ROFLMAO!
>>
>>I gotta remember to put the coffee cup down *before* reading the posts
>>here! (It's bad on keyboards and monitors when you snort coffee on
>>them! -;)
>
>Even worse when it come out of your ears. ;)
We'd have to ask Dubya about that one. ;-)
Oh wait. That's not coffee that comes out of his ears...
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 19:42:33
From: Al Klein
Subject: Re: RNC Strategy At Work...
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:06:24 GMT, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net >
wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:08:45 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
>wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 07:55:38 GMT, Carl Wilson <carl_w@swbell.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:04:00 -0500, Brian E. Clark
>>><reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote the following in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>>In article <8i9al21qks5kh8l9rcrd5vf3nqnuoo9l1u@4ax.com>, Al
>>>>Klein said...
>>>>
>>>>> >I see now that, while the GOP candidates
>>>>> >resoundingly lost the mid-terms, the RNC got precisely
>>>>> >what they were after: the predictable Liberal-meltdown
>>>>>
>>>>> Another idiot melts down.
>>>>
>>>>To be fair, we must remember that this one came pre-softened.
>>>
>>>ROFLMAO!
>>>
>>>I gotta remember to put the coffee cup down *before* reading the posts
>>>here! (It's bad on keyboards and monitors when you snort coffee on
>>>them! -;)
>>
>>Even worse when it come out of your ears. ;)
>
>We'd have to ask Dubya about that one. ;-)
>
>Oh wait. That's not coffee that comes out of his ears...
Nothing comes out of his ears - it all leaked out decades ago.
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on terror."
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6, 2006
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 01:43:21
From: Dee
Subject: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
To: Conservatives and Republicans
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments
and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
world.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 14:02:30
From: Fester
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
|
"Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
> For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>
> A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
>
> To: Conservatives and Republicans
>
> I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
>
> 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
> never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
> In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
How big of you.
> 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
> consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
> none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
So you're not willing to leave it up to a majority of voters in each state?
Sorry, no deal.
> 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
> to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
> for you.
If you don't balance the *government's* checkbook by pillaging mine or by
reducing the safety of our national interests, go for it.
> 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
> bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
> promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
> a lie.
How about promising to send them off to a war when war is necessary to
defend our freedom?
> 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
> health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
> ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
> of your ability to pay.
Good thing, since none of us will have the ability to pay after you've taken
all of our money to pay for our "free" health care.
> And when stem cell research delivers treatments
> and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
> sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
Hurray.
> 6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
> up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
> breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
Huzzah.
> 7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
> devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
> justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
Will you go to war with say Pakistan and Iran to "bring him to justice?"
> 8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
> do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
> count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
> conceived.
Hurray.
> 9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
> weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
> much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
> make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
> will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
I own a licensed handgun and you can come and take it the day you want to
die.
> 10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
> employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
> make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
How high will you raise it? If you get it $25, I'll quit my job and work
for half that as a Wallmart clerk. It'll be a lot less stressful. There
won't be enough incentive to work harder.
> 11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
> those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
> your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
> are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
> go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
> of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
> mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
> God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
> religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
> here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
Will you strive to deny people their right to practice their faith in publi?
Will you dispose of the traditions of public, ceremonial deism that are our
cultural heritage?
> 12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
> and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
> him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
> the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
> need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
> us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
> Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
When Murtha, Hastings and Reid are kicked out of your government, I'll
believe you.
> I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
> are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
> sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
> and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
> better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
> world.
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
Nice of you to "reach out." I think it odd that you should take a
gratuitous swipe at Republicans in your subject as a way to introduce the
promises you've made. I hope that the Dems do demonstrate that they are
capable of effective governing. Time will tell.
|
| | | |
Date: 20 Nov 2006 23:05:34
From: Dee
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
|
Fester <not@home.com > wrote:
> "Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
> > For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
> >
> > A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
> >
> > To: Conservatives and Republicans
> >
> > I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
> >
> > 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
> > never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
> > In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
>
> How big of you.
I guess there *was* a dig there :-)
> > 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
> > consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
> > none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
>
> So you're not willing to leave it up to a majority of voters in each state?
> Sorry, no deal.
Frothing up same-sex marriage to gain political points isn't quite the
ticket it used to be. In a few years the whole issue will be moot.
> > 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
> > to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
> > for you.
>
> If you don't balance the *government's* checkbook by pillaging mine or by
> reducing the safety of our national interests, go for it.
Who do you think is paying for this debacle? You and your children and
your children's children...I think Mr. Moore is being optimistic here,
but hey.
> > 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
> > bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
> > promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
> > a lie.
>
> How about promising to send them off to a war when war is necessary to
> defend our freedom?
First you need to deal with the *un*necessary wars.
> > 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
> > health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
> > ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
> > of your ability to pay.
>
> Good thing, since none of us will have the ability to pay after you've taken
> all of our money to pay for our "free" health care.
The US is the _last_ first world nation to have health care. Why do you
think Norway is listed as the best place on Earth to live? It isn't the
climate. You wind up paying more for not having heath care than you'd
pay if you had it. Doorknobs.
> > And when stem cell research delivers treatments
> > and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
> > sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
>
> Hurray.
>
> > 6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
> > up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
> > breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
>
> Huzzah.
>
> > 7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
> > devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
> > justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
>
> Will you go to war with say Pakistan and Iran to "bring him to justice?"
That was "protect", not "throw under a nu-clear bus".
> > 8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
> > do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
> > count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
> > conceived.
>
> Hurray.
It's nice that *some* "commie" ideas are appealing ;-)
> > 9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
> > weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
> > much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
> > make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
> > will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
>
> I own a licensed handgun and you can come and take it the day you want to
> die.
No one wants your stupid gun. It's your retarded neighbour with the
drinking problem and the curious 4 year kid who should surrender the
weapons. Etc.
> > 10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
> > employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
> > make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
>
> How high will you raise it? If you get it $25, I'll quit my job and work
> for half that as a Wallmart clerk. It'll be a lot less stressful. There
> won't be enough incentive to work harder.
Wal-Mart clerks don't make anywhere near $12.50 an hour. Enjoy.
> > 11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
> > those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
> > your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
> > are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
> > go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
> > of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
> > mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
> > God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
> > religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
> > here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
>
> Will you strive to deny people their right to practice their faith in publi?
Don't be silly. Practice at the frikkin' Wal-Mart for all I care.
> Will you dispose of the traditions of public, ceremonial deism that are our
> cultural heritage?
And what, exactly, is "our" cultural heritage? "...the number of
Protestants soon will slip below 50 percent of the nation's population."
- National Opinion Research Center's General Social Survey, 2004.
Isn't *everyone* in America free to worship (or not) as they choose?
> > 12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
> > and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
> > him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
> > the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
> > need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
> > us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
> > Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
>
> When Murtha, Hastings and Reid are kicked out of your government, I'll
> believe you.
When Delay, Cunningham, and Ney are back in your government, maybe I'll
listen to you.
> > I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
> > are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
> > sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
> > and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
> > better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
> > world.
> >
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>
> Nice of you to "reach out." I think it odd that you should take a
> gratuitous swipe at Republicans in your subject as a way to introduce the
> promises you've made.
"For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:" The Jihadists Won!
There's another...
> I hope that the Dems do demonstrate that they are capable of effective
> governing. Time will tell.
They couldn't possibly do worse.
--
Dee
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 14:27:02
From: Beep
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
|
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:05:34 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> "Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
>
>> > For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
>
>> > http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>> >
>> > A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
>> >
>> > To: Conservatives and Republicans
>> >
>> > I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
>> >
>> > 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
>> > never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
>> > In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
>>
>> How big of you.
>
>I guess there *was* a dig there :-)
>
After having my patriotism attacked because I don't support illegal
wiretapping, the dig felt good to read ;)
>> > 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
>> > consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
>> > none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
>>
>> So you're not willing to leave it up to a majority of voters in each state?
>> Sorry, no deal.
>
>Frothing up same-sex marriage to gain political points isn't quite the
>ticket it used to be. In a few years the whole issue will be moot.
This gay marriage thing confuses me a lot more than the abortion thing
does. Abortion is a hot debate over when human life reaches a point
where it becomes an individual deserving of legal protection. I
personally don't support making it illegal because I think that is
just the path to dangerous illegal abortions, and support other ways
of reducing abortions, but I can see why there would be all kinds of
different positions taken on this issue.
But whether people of a different sexual orientation can choose to
legally link their lives together? Why should anyone but those
individuals really care? I certainly don't go getting freaked out at
other legal contracts people make, like their wills or whatever. When
I ask socially conservative friends about it, I get an answer that
frequently mentions a "homosexual agenda", and it seems something to
do with that is the hot button.
>
>> > 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
>> > to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
>> > for you.
>>
>> If you don't balance the *government's* checkbook by pillaging mine or by
>> reducing the safety of our national interests, go for it.
Heh, guess it's ok to run up debt but not to pay for it.
Can I do that too? These credit card companies don't really NEED my
money...
>
>Who do you think is paying for this debacle? You and your children and
>your children's children...I think Mr. Moore is being optimistic here,
>but hey.
>
>> > 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
>> > bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
>> > promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
>> > a lie.
>>
>> How about promising to send them off to a war when war is necessary to
>> defend our freedom?
I'd like to think that a necessary war would have people wanting to
enlist.
>
>First you need to deal with the *un*necessary wars.
>
>> > 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
>> > health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
>> > ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
>> > of your ability to pay.
>>
>> Good thing, since none of us will have the ability to pay after you've taken
>> all of our money to pay for our "free" health care.
If you won't require coverage to be made available for everyone to
even out the costs for everyone, outlaw health insurance companies
then. Right now we have a system that is horribly skewed, with people
that are actually ill but ininsurable having to pay far higher prices
for care than insurances do who get to cherry pick a lot of their
members. When I worked in an MD office the difference in the prices
paid was appalling to me.
But when you suggest reforms of any kind, a lot of Republicans with
insurance company lobbyists in their waiting rooms demur...I'd like to
see the money going to the campaign coffers spent on health care!
Even minor reforms get the stonewall. I was hoping to get some
Republicans interested in fixing some work disincentives that still
exist for people on Social Security Disability. Many want to make
*unlimited* work attempts, in the hope that one day a job or career
might "take", but can't do that unless they can keep their health care
coverage under Medicare. Even though the government would still be
paying for their health coverage, there might be a way to have some of
that paid or partially paid by eventual employer(s), and in any case
the cash benefit could wax and wane in its amount by how much the
disabled person was able to earn in a given month. The SSI program,
which is for people who did NOT pay into the system from enough prior
employment like SSDI folk did, has such a program already with
Medicaid.
Another reform I seem to be working on all by myself would stop the
discrimination for people with SSDI who get knocked off of their
Medicaid coverage by the small automatic cost of living increases in
their Social Security benefit every year. This happened to me and I
went from a $0 monthly deductible (sounds unfair but on a below
poverty level income it's not so unfair !) to $470, which I can't pay.
If I were on SSI there is an amendment to protect from this. Can't
get the same for SSDI, and I don't know why. I will probably
eventually die from this one.
But when you try to explain these situations, Repubs just scream
"socialized medicine!" and slam the door in your face! Some kind of
attention span problem, as I always thought Repubs were concerned with
things like the right to work.
--
Email: xbeepx at yahoo dot com
Blog: http://beepbeep.livejournal.com
Sign the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/256624876
-- ίλλώ
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 23:50:10
From: Dee
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
|
Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:05:34 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>
> >Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
> >
> >> > For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
> >
> >> > http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
> >> >
> >> > A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
> >> >
> >> > To: Conservatives and Republicans
> >> >
> >> > I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
> >> >
> >> > 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
> >> > never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
> >> > In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
> >>
> >> How big of you.
> >
> >I guess there *was* a dig there :-)
> >
>
> After having my patriotism attacked because I don't support illegal
> wiretapping, the dig felt good to read ;)
Well, good. That line was slander *and* a damn insult. Now it's a joke!
> >> > 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
> >> > consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
> >> > none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
> >>
> >> So you're not willing to leave it up to a majority of voters in each state?
> >> Sorry, no deal.
> >
> >Frothing up same-sex marriage to gain political points isn't quite the
> >ticket it used to be. In a few years the whole issue will be moot.
>
> This gay marriage thing confuses me a lot more than the abortion thing
> does. Abortion is a hot debate over when human life reaches a point
> where it becomes an individual deserving of legal protection. I
> personally don't support making it illegal because I think that is
> just the path to dangerous illegal abortions,
Right...with "pro-choice", the Mother's life counts.
> and support other ways of reducing abortions, but I can see why there
> would be all kinds of different positions taken on this issue.
All kinds, indeed. If "pro-life" means shooting people and bombing their
buildings, someone's missing the point.
> But whether people of a different sexual orientation can choose to
> legally link their lives together? Why should anyone but those
> individuals really care? I certainly don't go getting freaked out at
> other legal contracts people make, like their wills or whatever. When
> I ask socially conservative friends about it, I get an answer that
> frequently mentions a "homosexual agenda", and it seems something to
> do with that is the hot button.
It got stirred up by the WH as an election issue again, mostly to
placate the E-van-jellicals, I suspect. Doesn't that "agenda" thing
sound kind of paranoid? They're saying it by rote, just like they say
everything else. Seems like a lot of government interference, to not
much avail :-p
> >> > 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
> >> > to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
> >> > for you.
> >>
> >> If you don't balance the *government's* checkbook by pillaging mine or by
> >> reducing the safety of our national interests, go for it.
>
> Heh, guess it's ok to run up debt but not to pay for it.
>
> Can I do that too? These credit card companies don't really NEED my
> money...
Haaaha. It really is that simple. No!
> >Who do you think is paying for this debacle? You and your children and
> >your children's children...I think Mr. Moore is being optimistic here,
> >but hey.
> >
> >> > 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
> >> > bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
> >> > promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
> >> > a lie.
> >>
> >> How about promising to send them off to a war when war is necessary to
> >> defend our freedom?
>
> I'd like to think that a necessary war would have people wanting to
> enlist.
That they would.
> >First you need to deal with the *un*necessary wars.
> >
> >> > 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
> >> > health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
> >> > ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
> >> > of your ability to pay.
> >>
> >> Good thing, since none of us will have the ability to pay after you've
> >> taken all of our money to pay for our "free" health care.
>
> If you won't require coverage to be made available for everyone to
> even out the costs for everyone, outlaw health insurance companies
> then. Right now we have a system that is horribly skewed, with people
> that are actually ill but ininsurable having to pay far higher prices
> for care than insurances do who get to cherry pick a lot of their
> members. When I worked in an MD office the difference in the prices
> paid was appalling to me.
>
> But when you suggest reforms of any kind, a lot of Republicans with
> insurance company lobbyists in their waiting rooms demur...I'd like to
> see the money going to the campaign coffers spent on health care!
No kidding. It takes 10s of millions to buy er, win a Senate seat.
> Even minor reforms get the stonewall. I was hoping to get some
> Republicans interested in fixing some work disincentives that still
> exist for people on Social Security Disability. Many want to make
> *unlimited* work attempts, in the hope that one day a job or career
> might "take",
The odds are that it would...
> but can't do that unless they can keep their health care coverage under
> Medicare.
Bah. I think that's true here for some things, if not health care; which
is slow, but covered.
> Even though the government would still be paying for their
> health coverage, there might be a way to have some of that paid or
> partially paid by eventual employer(s), and in any case the cash benefit
> could wax and wane in its amount by how much the disabled person was able
> to earn in a given month. The SSI program, which is for people who did
> NOT pay into the system from enough prior employment like SSDI folk did,
> has such a program already with Medicaid.
>
> Another reform I seem to be working on all by myself would stop the
> discrimination for people with SSDI who get knocked off of their
> Medicaid coverage by the small automatic cost of living increases in
> their Social Security benefit every year. This happened to me and I
> went from a $0 monthly deductible (sounds unfair but on a below
> poverty level income it's not so unfair !) to $470, which I can't pay.
> If I were on SSI there is an amendment to protect from this. Can't
> get the same for SSDI, and I don't know why. I will probably
> eventually die from this one.
>
> But when you try to explain these situations, Repubs just scream
> "socialized medicine!" and slam the door in your face! Some kind of
> attention span problem,
Nawww :-) their mouths have been programmed to operate without engaging
their brain cell. All of this is scary. That is a lot of explaining...
but some answers are crucial. Maybe some charts *would* help! I guess
they'd all shit bricks if you just screamed "socialized medicine!"
before they do. I hope the change in government will help you make a
dent in a few of those stupid laws.
> as I always thought Repubs were concerned with things like the right to
> work.
Instead of being forced not to.
Hey, that last Congress worked about 90 measley days out of the whole
stinkin' year...and got pay raises *with* all the porks, I mean perks.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:26:34
From: Beep
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:50:10 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:05:34 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>>
>> >Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
>> >
>> >> > For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
>> >
>> >> > http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>> >> >
>> >> > A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
>> >> >
>> >> > To: Conservatives and Republicans
>> >> >
>> >> > I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
>> >> > never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
>> >> > In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
>> >>
>> >> How big of you.
>> >
>> >I guess there *was* a dig there :-)
>> >
>>
>> After having my patriotism attacked because I don't support illegal
>> wiretapping, the dig felt good to read ;)
>
>Well, good. That line was slander *and* a damn insult. Now it's a joke!
>
>> >> > 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
>> >> > consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
>> >> > none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
>> >>
>> >> So you're not willing to leave it up to a majority of voters in each state?
>> >> Sorry, no deal.
>> >
>> >Frothing up same-sex marriage to gain political points isn't quite the
>> >ticket it used to be. In a few years the whole issue will be moot.
>>
>> This gay marriage thing confuses me a lot more than the abortion thing
>> does. Abortion is a hot debate over when human life reaches a point
>> where it becomes an individual deserving of legal protection. I
>> personally don't support making it illegal because I think that is
>> just the path to dangerous illegal abortions,
>
>Right...with "pro-choice", the Mother's life counts.
>
>> and support other ways of reducing abortions, but I can see why there
>> would be all kinds of different positions taken on this issue.
>
>All kinds, indeed. If "pro-life" means shooting people and bombing their
>buildings, someone's missing the point.
>
>> But whether people of a different sexual orientation can choose to
>> legally link their lives together? Why should anyone but those
>> individuals really care? I certainly don't go getting freaked out at
>> other legal contracts people make, like their wills or whatever. When
>> I ask socially conservative friends about it, I get an answer that
>> frequently mentions a "homosexual agenda", and it seems something to
>> do with that is the hot button.
>
>It got stirred up by the WH as an election issue again, mostly to
>placate the E-van-jellicals, I suspect. Doesn't that "agenda" thing
>sound kind of paranoid? They're saying it by rote, just like they say
>everything else. Seems like a lot of government interference, to not
>much avail :-p
>
>> >> > 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
>> >> > to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
>> >> > for you.
>> >>
>> >> If you don't balance the *government's* checkbook by pillaging mine or by
>> >> reducing the safety of our national interests, go for it.
>>
>> Heh, guess it's ok to run up debt but not to pay for it.
>>
>> Can I do that too? These credit card companies don't really NEED my
>> money...
>
>Haaaha. It really is that simple. No!
>
>> >Who do you think is paying for this debacle? You and your children and
>> >your children's children...I think Mr. Moore is being optimistic here,
>> >but hey.
>> >
>> >> > 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
>> >> > bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
>> >> > promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
>> >> > a lie.
>> >>
>> >> How about promising to send them off to a war when war is necessary to
>> >> defend our freedom?
>>
>> I'd like to think that a necessary war would have people wanting to
>> enlist.
>
>That they would.
>
>> >First you need to deal with the *un*necessary wars.
>> >
>> >> > 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
>> >> > health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
>> >> > ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
>> >> > of your ability to pay.
>> >>
>> >> Good thing, since none of us will have the ability to pay after you've
>> >> taken all of our money to pay for our "free" health care.
>>
>> If you won't require coverage to be made available for everyone to
>> even out the costs for everyone, outlaw health insurance companies
>> then. Right now we have a system that is horribly skewed, with people
>> that are actually ill but ininsurable having to pay far higher prices
>> for care than insurances do who get to cherry pick a lot of their
>> members. When I worked in an MD office the difference in the prices
>> paid was appalling to me.
>>
>> But when you suggest reforms of any kind, a lot of Republicans with
>> insurance company lobbyists in their waiting rooms demur...I'd like to
>> see the money going to the campaign coffers spent on health care!
>
>No kidding. It takes 10s of millions to buy er, win a Senate seat.
>
>> Even minor reforms get the stonewall. I was hoping to get some
>> Republicans interested in fixing some work disincentives that still
>> exist for people on Social Security Disability. Many want to make
>> *unlimited* work attempts, in the hope that one day a job or career
>> might "take",
>
>The odds are that it would...
>
>> but can't do that unless they can keep their health care coverage under
>> Medicare.
>
>Bah. I think that's true here for some things, if not health care; which
>is slow, but covered.
>
>> Even though the government would still be paying for their
>> health coverage, there might be a way to have some of that paid or
>> partially paid by eventual employer(s), and in any case the cash benefit
>> could wax and wane in its amount by how much the disabled person was able
>> to earn in a given month. The SSI program, which is for people who did
>> NOT pay into the system from enough prior employment like SSDI folk did,
>> has such a program already with Medicaid.
>>
>> Another reform I seem to be working on all by myself would stop the
>> discrimination for people with SSDI who get knocked off of their
>> Medicaid coverage by the small automatic cost of living increases in
>> their Social Security benefit every year. This happened to me and I
>> went from a $0 monthly deductible (sounds unfair but on a below
>> poverty level income it's not so unfair !) to $470, which I can't pay.
>> If I were on SSI there is an amendment to protect from this. Can't
>> get the same for SSDI, and I don't know why. I will probably
>> eventually die from this one.
>>
>> But when you try to explain these situations, Repubs just scream
>> "socialized medicine!" and slam the door in your face! Some kind of
>> attention span problem,
>
>Nawww :-) their mouths have been programmed to operate without engaging
>their brain cell. All of this is scary. That is a lot of explaining...
>but some answers are crucial. Maybe some charts *would* help! I guess
>they'd all shit bricks if you just screamed "socialized medicine!"
>before they do. I hope the change in government will help you make a
>dent in a few of those stupid laws.
>
>> as I always thought Repubs were concerned with things like the right to
>> work.
>
>Instead of being forced not to.
>
>Hey, that last Congress worked about 90 measley days out of the whole
>stinkin' year...and got pay raises *with* all the porks, I mean perks.
Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
;)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09
From: Dee
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
>
> ;)
Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
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Dee
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 18:46:27
From: Michael Gray
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
- Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com >
>Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
>>
>> ;)
>
>Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
>I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 09:22:58
From: Allan Mayer
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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Michael Gray wrote:
> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
>
> --
Yep, those pesky western europeans just had a way
of going around the world, raping the land of the
resources, enslaving the local populace, ethnic
cleansing, all in the name of imperialism.
Reason for many of todays strife between countries
And all of this before there was ever a USA.....
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 22:42:02
From: Dee
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
> - Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
> >Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
> >>
> >> ;)
> >
> >Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
> >I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
>
> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
No! I'm celebrating the BushCo intervention!
America woke up!
FYI, Thanksgiving was on October the 9th here, and *naturally* the
Holiday has nothing to do with those sociopathic whack-jobs who were
kicked out of England and the Netherlands back in the 1600s. It's more
like a Harvest Festival, with friends, family, and food.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 19:53:07
From: Michael Gray
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:42:02 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
- Refer: <1hp9orh.18f5iuuxclt6gN%deelilley@hotmail.com >
>Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>> - Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
>> >Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
>> >>
>> >> ;)
>> >
>> >Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
>> >I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
>>
>> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
>
>No! I'm celebrating the BushCo intervention!
>
>America woke up!
>
>FYI, Thanksgiving was on October the 9th here, and *naturally* the
>Holiday has nothing to do with those sociopathic whack-jobs who were
>kicked out of England and the Netherlands back in the 1600s. It's more
>like a Harvest Festival, with friends, family, and food.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving!
A truly excellent response, for which I thank you. :)
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 01:53:07
From: Dee
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:42:02 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
> - Refer: <1hp9orh.18f5iuuxclt6gN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
> >Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
> >> - Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
> >> >Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
> >> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
> >> >>
> >> >> ;)
> >> >
> >> >Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
> >> >I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
> >>
> >> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
> >
> >No! I'm celebrating the BushCo intervention!
> >
> >America woke up!
> >
> >FYI, Thanksgiving was on October the 9th here, and *naturally* the
> >Holiday has nothing to do with those sociopathic whack-jobs who were
> >kicked out of England and the Netherlands back in the 1600s. It's more
> >like a Harvest Festival, with friends, family, and food.
> >
> >Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> A truly excellent response, for which I thank you. :)
Heh! Thanks, you're welcome :-)
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 02:28:43
From: Beep
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:42:02 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>> - Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
>> >Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
>> >>
>> >> ;)
>> >
>> >Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
>> >I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
>>
>> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
>
>No! I'm celebrating the BushCo intervention!
>
>America woke up!
>
>FYI, Thanksgiving was on October the 9th here, and *naturally* the
>Holiday has nothing to do with those sociopathic whack-jobs who were
>kicked out of England and the Netherlands back in the 1600s. It's more
>like a Harvest Festival, with friends, family, and food.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving!
I had a good Thanksgiving and I hope everyone else who celebrates one
(in whatever month) did too :)
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 06:57:28
From: Perseid
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > Spat
the Words
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:42:02 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>
>>Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:07:09 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>>> - Refer: <1hp8a5a.1ebpyczfvutqjN%deelilley@hotmail.com>
>>> >Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>>> >> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/202757/06
>>> >>
>>> >> ;)
>>> >
>>> >Very nice poast! There is MUCH to be thankful for.
>>> >I hope y'all have a wonderful day :-)
>>>
>>> Celebrating an invasion by theist imperialist xenophobes?
>>
>>No! I'm celebrating the BushCo intervention!
>>
>>America woke up!
>>
>>FYI, Thanksgiving was on October the 9th here, and *naturally* the
>>Holiday has nothing to do with those sociopathic whack-jobs who were
>>kicked out of England and the Netherlands back in the 1600s. It's more
>>like a Harvest Festival, with friends, family, and food.
>>
>>Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> I had a good Thanksgiving and I hope everyone else who celebrates one
> (in whatever month) did too :)
>
>
I'm still eating left-overs. In fact, I think I'll bring an
entire Turkey leg to work on Friday and have it for lunch.
Yes, you could say it was a happy Thanksgiving around these
parts (thank you for asking).
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 06:21:33
From: torresD
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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American Indians have a lot to be thankful for.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 11:13:31
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving, USA!
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In article <N5b9h.2296$sf5.1635@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com > wrote:
>American Indians have a lot to be thankful for.
FYI:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/mycount.html
http://tinyurl.com/yjsvbe
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:25:27
From:
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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In article <nl1am2dd52fckbu4bl5q34m2sbremac96u@4ax.com >,
Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > wrote:
>Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
You must not be doing the cooking.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 20:26:34
From: Beep
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:25:27 -0000, ellis@no.spam () wrote:
>In article <nl1am2dd52fckbu4bl5q34m2sbremac96u@4ax.com>,
>Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>
>>Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>
>You must not be doing the cooking.
>
That's what everyone has to be thankful for ;)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 06:07:12
From:
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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In article <in8am291lqc0iitfo0k9kgtosfjrbarq46@4ax.com >,
Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > wrote:
>>You must not be doing the cooking.
>That's what everyone has to be thankful for ;)
Yeah, but who's doing the dishes?
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 02:27:57
From: Beep
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:07:12 -0000, ellis@no.spam () wrote:
>In article <in8am291lqc0iitfo0k9kgtosfjrbarq46@4ax.com>,
>Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>
>>>You must not be doing the cooking.
>
>>That's what everyone has to be thankful for ;)
>
>Yeah, but who's doing the dishes?
I guess I'd better face the music and do any remaining ones since I'm
the one who can't stand filth ;)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 09:18:32
From: Allan Mayer
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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Beep wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:25:27 -0000, ellis@no.spam () wrote:
>
>> In article <nl1am2dd52fckbu4bl5q34m2sbremac96u@4ax.com>,
>> Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>> You must not be doing the cooking.
>>
>
> That's what everyone has to be thankful for ;)
>
>
Yeah, well I am doing the cooking today for around
5 - 6 people.
I wish all a Happy Thanksgiving
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:04:04
From: Widdershins
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:26:34 -0800, Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > licked
the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:25:27 -0000, ellis@no.spam () wrote:
>
>>In article <nl1am2dd52fckbu4bl5q34m2sbremac96u@4ax.com>,
>>Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Happy Thanksgiving, USA:
>>
>>You must not be doing the cooking.
>>
>
>That's what everyone has to be thankful for ;)
And after In sent you two wonderful recipes. I'll bet
you haven't tried them yet, have you?
Happy T-day,
Widdy
Where is your license to offer or give counsel, Eddieeeeeee.
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 11:01:03
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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This is a prime example of crazy rabid Liberalism that will destroy america.
America needs to wake-up and realize that our country and our children's
future will be destroyed by these crazy atheist liberals!!
"Dee" <deelilley@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1hp0lhy.pm20n0l6hwq4N%deelilley@hotmail.com...
> For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>
> A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
>
> To: Conservatives and Republicans
>
> I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
>
> 1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
> never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
> In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
>
> 2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
> consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
> none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
>
> 3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
> to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
> for you.
>
> 4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
> bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
> promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
> a lie.
>
> 5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
> health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
> ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
> of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments
> and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
> sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
>
> 6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
> up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
> breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
>
> 7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
> devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
> justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
>
> 8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
> do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
> count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
> conceived.
>
> 9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
> weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
> much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
> make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
> will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
>
> 10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
> employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
> make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
>
> 11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
> those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
> your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
> are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
> go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
> of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
> mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
> God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
> religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
> here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
>
> 12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
> and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
> him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
> the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
> need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
> us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
> Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
>
> I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
> are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
> sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
> and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
> better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
> world.
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 21:16:38
From: Perseid
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) Spat
the Words
For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
To: Conservatives and Republicans
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments
and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
world.
http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 13:20:46
From: Beep
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:43:21 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
>For Danny, from Micheal Moore's web site:
>
>http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
>
>A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
>
>To: Conservatives and Republicans
>
>I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
>
>1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will
>never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us.
>In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
>
>2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us
>consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is
>none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
>
>3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or
>to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it
>for you.
>
>4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will
>bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We
>promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or
>a lie.
>
>5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal
>health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall
>ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless
>of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments
>and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make
>sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
>
>6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean
>up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too,
>breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
>
>7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will
>devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to
>justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
>
>8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you
>do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to
>count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were
>conceived.
>
>9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic
>weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't
>much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will
>make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we
>will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
>
>10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your
>employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men
>make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
>
>11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put
>those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote
>your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed
>are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to
>go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
>of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
>mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that
>God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage
>religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism
>here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
>
>12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought
>and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts
>him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after
>the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we
>need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give
>us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray.
>Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
>
>I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You
>are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We
>sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country
>and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit
>better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the
>world.
>
>http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
Class act.
Hope Michael keeps rockin' on!
--
Email: xbeepx at yahoo dot com
Blog: http://beepbeep.livejournal.com
Sign the petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/256624876
-- ίλλώ
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 23:50:10
From: Dee
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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Beep <spamnot@spamsux.net > wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:43:21 -0500, deelilley@hotmail.com (Dee) wrote:
> >A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
> >http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
[...]
> Class act.
Yep.
Way too nice, but I signed it.
> Hope Michael keeps rockin' on!
I'm sure he will :-)
--
Dee
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 18:48:05
From:
Subject: Re: "RNC Strategy" is an oxymoron
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> This is a prime example of crazy rabid Liberalism that will destroy america.
> America needs to wake-up and realize that our country and our children's
> future will be destroyed by these crazy atheist liberals!!
>
but woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the
kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and
those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.
Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the
houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the
greater judgment.
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