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Date: 24 Aug 2006 21:48:37
From: Geoff Gariepy
Subject: Pluto petition
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I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
Respectfully yours,
--Geoff
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 04:58:31
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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On 24 Aug 2006 21:48:37 -0700, "Geoff Gariepy"
<geoff.gariepy@gmail.com > wrote:
>I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
>about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
>decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
>http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
That will serve no purpose. This particular sub-definition of "planet"
will probably be revised eventually. Your best strategy is to simply
continue to call Pluto a planet. You won't be alone, even amongst
professionals.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 05:04:08
From: Tommy Lee
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote in message
news:gn0te297m9fa38lvt1p5iopifiej77a8q1@4ax.com...
> On 24 Aug 2006 21:48:37 -0700, "Geoff Gariepy"
> <geoff.gariepy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
>>about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
>>decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
>>http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
>
> That will serve no purpose. This particular sub-definition of "planet"
> will probably be revised eventually. Your best strategy is to simply
> continue to call Pluto a planet. You won't be alone, even amongst
> professionals.
Right, because it's been burned into your collective minds since you were
shitting your pants and
pissing on your school desk seat! Get a life!
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 06:17:57
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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IAU Realty wrote:
> Geoff Gariepy wrote:
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> > I'm upset about the IAU decision.
>
> dont be upset. It is meaningless. Pluto is still a PLANET and it will
> continue
> to be called a planet by the vast majority on this planet long after the
> IAU is
> only a memory..
Do you know something about the IAU that I don't?
:-)
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 06:16:42
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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Geoff Gariepy wrote:
> I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
> about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
> decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
> http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
>
> Respectfully yours,
> --Geoff
Why are you so upset? Nobody's taking Pluto away. He's going to
continue to sit out there in his lonely orbit, and there will be much
interest in him in just a few years. When the New Horizons spacecraft
starts sending back pictures, Pluto will be bigger (ahem) and more
loved than ever. Far from fading into obscurity, everyone will be
admiring and complementing him. ;-)
If you really want to show you care, get a scope out and have a look at
the little guy. He's loitering around in Serpens right now and
particularly easy to find and observe. A 12-inch makes him "easy." ;-)
Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland >
The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
<http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/ >
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:28:23
From: Bob Schmall
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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RMOLLISE wrote:
> Geoff Gariepy wrote:
>
>>I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
>>about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
>>decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
>>http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
>>
>>Respectfully yours,
>>--Geoff
>
>
> Why are you so upset? Nobody's taking Pluto away. He's going to
> continue to sit out there in his lonely orbit, and there will be much
> interest in him in just a few years. When the New Horizons spacecraft
> starts sending back pictures, Pluto will be bigger (ahem) and more
> loved than ever. Far from fading into obscurity, everyone will be
> admiring and complementing him. ;-)
>
> If you really want to show you care, get a scope out and have a look at
> the little guy. He's loitering around in Serpens right now and
> particularly easy to find and observe. A 12-inch makes him "easy." ;-)
Some obscure writer said it succinctly:
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
I can't be that succinct, so:
Someone else here suggested broadening our definition to include dwarf
planets, a subset of planets. We also have had dwarf stars for decades
and no one is getting up petitions to remedy the disrespect. What's the
problem with dwarf planets?
NASA's Statement
"NASA will, of course, use the new guidelines established by the
International Astronomical Union," said Paul Hertz, Chief Scientist for
the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters. "We will continue
pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in
the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized."*
Let's get over it--Pluto is still a planet under the definition, and
astronomers' approach to it will be exactly the same as before.
Bob
*quoted in the NASA Solar System Ambassadors' web site
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:26:59
From: IAU Realty
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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Geoff Gariepy wrote:
> I'm upset about the IAU decision.
dont be upset. It is meaningless. Pluto is still a PLANET and it will
continue
to be called a planet by the vast majority on this planet long after the
IAU is
only a memory..
> The only thing I can think of to do
> about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
> decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
> http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
>
> Respectfully yours,
> --Geoff
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 13:13:27
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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In article <44EE9833.B27BFDB4@ai5.net >,
IAU Realty <templehomes@ai5.net > wrote:
> Geoff Gariepy wrote:
>
>> I'm upset about the IAU decision.
>
> dont be upset. It is meaningless. Pluto is still a PLANET and it will
> continue to be called a planet by the vast majority on this planet long
> after the IAU is only a memory..
Are you trying to predict the future, using the algoritm "the future
will be very similar to the present" ? That algorithm has failed
miserably a number of times....
Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta are rarely called "planets" today, even
though they usually were called "planets" some 200 years ago.
Pluto will most likely meet the same fate, and for the same reason:
there are too many other similar objects, which initially were unknown
but which have been discovered at an increasing rate since then.
But until then, some people will find it hard to adjust to the change.
I guess there's little one can do about that, except to patiently wait
until these conservatives die out....
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 22:27:46
From:
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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Planetary status has been stripped from Pluto.
This is a disrespectful way to treat our friend in distant space.
Earth and Pluto have long coexisted in peace and harmony, and to
declare our fellow solar body a "Dwarf Planet" is unacceptable and
undignified.
Tell the International Astronomical Union (IAU) that you demand Justice
For Pluto.
http://www.cafepress.com/JusticeForPluto
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 05:58:31
From: Mike Ruskai
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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On or about 24 Aug 2006 22:27:46 -0700 did JusticeForPluto@aol.com
dribble thusly:
>
>Planetary status has been stripped from Pluto.
>
>This is a disrespectful way to treat our friend in distant space.
>Earth and Pluto have long coexisted in peace and harmony, and to
>declare our fellow solar body a "Dwarf Planet" is unacceptable and
>undignified.
It's still got the word 'planet' in there, so what's the fuss about?
Just broaden your normal usage to implicitly include 'dwarf', and you
now have probably a few dozen planets (officially!) in the solar
system.
--
- Mike
Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 17:45:35
From: Geoff Gariepy
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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RMOLLISE wrote:
> Geoff Gariepy wrote:
> > I'm upset about the IAU decision. The only thing I can think of to do
> > about it is start an online petition asking them to reverse the
> > decision. If you happen to agree, please visit
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html.
> >
> > Respectfully yours,
> > --Geoff
>
> Why are you so upset? Nobody's taking Pluto away. He's going to
> continue to sit out there in his lonely orbit, and there will be much
> interest in him in just a few years. When the New Horizons spacecraft
> starts sending back pictures, Pluto will be bigger (ahem) and more
> loved than ever. Far from fading into obscurity, everyone will be
> admiring and complementing him. ;-)
>
> If you really want to show you care, get a scope out and have a look at
> the little guy. He's loitering around in Serpens right now and
> particularly easy to find and observe. A 12-inch makes him "easy." ;-)
>
I wish I had a 12" telescope. My 3" refractor has issues with Saturn,
fercryinoutloud.
Someday, maybe, I'll build one.
--Geoff
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 17:43:23
From: Geoff Gariepy
Subject: Re: Pluto petition
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IAU Realty wrote:
> Geoff Gariepy wrote:
>
> > I'm upset about the IAU decision.
>
> dont be upset. It is meaningless. Pluto is still a PLANET and it will
> continue
> to be called a planet by the vast majority on this planet long after the
> IAU is
> only a memory..
>
I dunno about that. How many people knew that Ceres was once
considered a planet?
Heck, I'm willing to concede it's a really, tiny, almost insignificant
planet, jeez, we can even call it "dwarf" when it's not around to hear
it, but for goodness sakes, grandfather clause it in! :-)
Just seems to me a little cheesy the way that these 400 guys got
together and decided it didn't fit the planetary description anymore.
Now there's talk in the news that some astronomers are saying that by
the IAU definition, Neptune isn't a planet either, because it, er, has
Pluto crossing its orbit.
I know it's just a goofy online petition, but so far I've gotten 166
signatures from around the world. Maybe "the other side" of the issue
can use it to bolster their case (I hear this is far from over with.)
Besides, I'm having fun! Go'wan, humor me and sign it!
http://www.petitiononline.com/iaupluto/petition.html
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