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Date: 31 Aug 2006 20:34:30
From: MA-MA
Subject: Pluto and Neptune
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Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at some
point Neptune
will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a big way and actually
change it's orbit?
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:14:33
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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MA-MA wrote:
> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a
> big way and actually change it's orbit?
Try not to be so stooopid Mick!
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto#Distance_from_Neptune
Pluto's orbit is often described as 'crossing' that of Neptune. In fact,
Pluto's nodes (the points at which the orbit crosses the ecliptic) are
both situated outside Neptune’s orbit and are separated by a distance
of 6.4 AU (that is, over six times the distance of the Earth from the Sun).
Furthermore, due to the orbital resonance between them, Pluto executes
2 full cycles while Neptune makes 3; this means that when Neptune
reaches the 'closest' point on the orbit, Pluto remains far behind and
when Pluto in turn reaches that point, Neptune is far (over 50°) ahead.
During the following orbit of Pluto, Neptune is half an orbit away.
Consequently, *Pluto never gets closer than 30 AU to Neptune* at this point
in its orbit.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 22:17:34
From: MA-MA
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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Sammy. You're a complete idiot. You should have known that rather than
rather than pointing to WIKI
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:ZiIJg.118552$FQ1.51006@attbi_s71...
> MA-MA wrote:
>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
>> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a big
>> way and actually change it's orbit?
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 01:21:09
From: Wally
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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well you are the one who asked the question? you have your answer.
be grateful?
MA-MA wrote:
> Sammy. You're a complete idiot. You should have known that rather than
> rather than pointing to WIKI
>
> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:ZiIJg.118552$FQ1.51006@attbi_s71...
> > MA-MA wrote:
> >> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
> >> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a big
> >> way and actually change it's orbit?
> >
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:10:06
From: MAT
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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"Wally" <wallwoody@ai5.net > wrote in message
news:44F922D5.BFEF15D0@ai5.net...
> well you are the one who asked the question? you have your answer.
> be grateful?
>
yep..andrea
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 14:00:23
From: atasselli@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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MA-MA wrote:
> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at some
> point Neptune
> will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a big way and actually
> change it's orbit?
No. They are interlocked in a resonant period for their orbits.
Andrea T.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 13:47:32
From: Richard Adams
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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MA-MA wrote:
> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at some
> point Neptune
> will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a big way and actually
> change it's orbit?
Seems possible. Seems likely in the vast amount of time these two have
been circling Sol that this has already happened. Someone with time on
their hands could probably work these two backward in time to the last
time this happened.
Meanwhile, insignificant little specks of protein on the 3rd large body
from the sun have succeeded in rendering Pluto a planet without so much
as laying a finger on it. Amazing.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 07:12:56
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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In article <qJHJg.173$Hr1.129@clgrps12 >, MA-MA <am@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places,
..."crosses" os not the correct word here. "Passes above" is a more
appropriate description.
> is it possible that at some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto
> gravitationally in a big way and actually change it's orbit?
That's already happened, a very long time ago. Because of that, Pluto is
now in a 3:2 resonance with Neptune, and never gets close to Neptune.
> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:ZiIJg.118552$FQ1.51006@attbi_s71...
>> MA-MA wrote:
>>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
>>> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a
>>> big way and actually change it's orbit?
>
> Sammy. You're a complete idiot. You should have known that rather than
> rather than pointing to WIKI
In those two short sentences, you committed two gross errors:
1. Sam is far from that "complete idiot" you accuse him of being. Listen
to him, and you may learn something. If you're interested in learning,
that is.... (and if you're not interested in learning, at least shut
up, instead of insulting people).
2. Don't put down the Wikipedia! It's actually quite good in its science
articles - almost as good as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Read this
article from the respected science journal Nature:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html
Perhaps you now consider me a "complete idiot" who trusts Nature... <g >
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:31:58
From: MA-MA
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se > wrote in message
news:ed8ma3$24tv$1@merope.saaf.se...
> In article <qJHJg.173$Hr1.129@clgrps12>, MA-MA <am@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places,
>
> ..."crosses" os not the correct word here. "Passes above" is a more
> appropriate description.
>
>> is it possible that at some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto
>> gravitationally in a big way and actually change it's orbit?
>
> That's already happened, a very long time ago. Because of that, Pluto is
> now in a 3:2 resonance with Neptune, and never gets close to Neptune.
>
>
>
>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>> news:ZiIJg.118552$FQ1.51006@attbi_s71...
>>> MA-MA wrote:
>>>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
>>>> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a
>>>> big way and actually change it's orbit?
>>
>> Sammy. You're a complete idiot. You should have known that rather than
>> rather than pointing to WIKI
>
>
> In those two short sentences, you committed two gross errors:
>
>
Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and queries
himself, he always
poinst to other sources. Anyone can do that.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:43:56
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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In article <OnYJg.5995$rd7.2958@edtnps89 >, MA-MA <am@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
> news:ed8ma3$24tv$1@merope.saaf.se...
>> In article <qJHJg.173$Hr1.129@clgrps12>, MA-MA <am@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places,
>>
>> ..."crosses" os not the correct word here. "Passes above" is a more
>> appropriate description.
>>
>>> is it possible that at some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto
>>> gravitationally in a big way and actually change it's orbit?
>>
>> That's already happened, a very long time ago. Because of that, Pluto is
>> now in a 3:2 resonance with Neptune, and never gets close to Neptune.
>>
>>
>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ZiIJg.118552$FQ1.51006@attbi_s71...
>>>> MA-MA wrote:
>>>>> Since Pluto crosses Neptunes orbit in 2 places, is it possible that at
>>>>> some point Neptune will directly influence Pluto gravitationally in a
>>>>> big way and actually change it's orbit?
>>>
>>> Sammy. You're a complete idiot. You should have known that rather than
>>> rather than pointing to WIKI
>>
>>
>> In those two short sentences, you committed two gross errors:
>>
>
> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and queries
> himself, he always poinst to other sources.
Do you consider that bad? A pointer to a good source is often a better
answer than something you quickly jot down on your keyboard yourself.
You're the very first person I hear complaining about someone providing
references! The opposite complaint (i.e. someone claiming something
without prividing any reference) is much more common.
> Anyone can do that.
In principle, yes. However, far too few people actually do it. Of
course you should ensure you point to a good source -- there's far too
much garbage out there on the Net. Otoh, if you point to a bad
source, you clearly show the others you don't know what you're talking
about -- so in that way, even a pointer to a bad source can be useful
(as an indicator of your lack of credibility).
Perhaps your real complaint is that you find it harder to argue against
a good source (at least it requires some more effort on your part to read
through it) than to argue against something someone just jotted down.
Well, you're right: it is harder. And it should be... then you're forced
to produce a thoughtful response (hopefully).
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:08:39
From: MA-MA
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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>>>
>>>
>>> In those two short sentences, you committed two gross errors:
>>>
>>
>> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and
>> queries
>> himself, he always poinst to other sources.
>
> Do you consider that bad? A pointer to a good source is often a better
> answer than something you quickly jot down on your keyboard yourself.
>
> You're the very first person I hear complaining about someone providing
> references! The opposite complaint (i.e. someone claiming something
> without prividing any reference) is much more common.
>
You're way off. You just don't understand me and what I'm really saying.
You pretty much
NEVER see the likes of Brian Tung or even Rod M. posting "references". They
speak on their own
terms and are pretty reliable in what they say first hand. Sammy NEVER or
rarely does this.
Duhh??
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:14:59
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:08:39 GMT, "MA-MA" <am@telusplanet.net > wrote:
>You're way off. You just don't understand me and what I'm really saying.
>You pretty much
>NEVER see the likes of Brian Tung or even Rod M. posting "references". They
>speak on their own
>terms and are pretty reliable in what they say first hand. Sammy NEVER or
>rarely does this.
So what? They have different posting styles. As long as the information
is accurate (which in all these cases it is), what's the problem? I
don't see you going out of your way to answer questions; you just ask
them and then bitch at the folks who try to help.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:27:44
From: MA-MA
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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> So what? They have different posting styles. As long as the information
> is accurate (which in all these cases it is), what's the problem? I
> don't see you going out of your way to answer questions; you just ask
> them and then bitch at the folks who try to help.
>
> _________________________________________________
Bull
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:43:00
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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In article <br0Kg.6028$rd7.1303@edtnps89 >, MA-MA <am@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In those two short sentences, you committed two gross errors:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and
>>> queries
>>> himself, he always poinst to other sources.
>>
>> Do you consider that bad? A pointer to a good source is often a better
>> answer than something you quickly jot down on your keyboard yourself.
>>
>> You're the very first person I hear complaining about someone providing
>> references! The opposite complaint (i.e. someone claiming something
>> without prividing any reference) is much more common.
>
> You're way off. You just don't understand me and what I'm really saying.
You hit the nail right on the head there! No, I don't understand you
at all. You asked a question, Sam pointed you to a web page which gave
a good answer to your question - and what do you do? Are you grateful
that he provided you with an answer? No - instead you're bitching at
him!
I can't understand why you act like that! You see, when you act like that,
what do you think will happen the next time you're asking a question here?
Probably nobody will answer, because they know that if they answer, you'll
just bitch at them if their answer doesn't come in a form which you approve.
> You pretty much NEVER see the likes of Brian Tung or even Rod M. posting
> "references". They speak on their own terms and are pretty reliable in
> what they say first hand. Sammy NEVER or rarely does this.
>
> Duhh??
So you are more interested in the form than in the contents of the
answer?
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:25:12
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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MA-MA wrote:
>
> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and queries
> himself, he always poinst to other sources. Anyone can do that.
>
>
Anybody can spout off in a newsgroup. When trying to answer questions
or provide resources for self learners, one needs to provide sources
for quotations and references.
Comment:
It is pathetic that some posters must keep changing their posting IDs
to be "heard" in a public forum, because they are so offensive that most
participants relegate them to killfiles over and over. Try to have some
courtesy when participating in USENET newsgroups.
Perhaps MA-MA might want to consider reading books by Dale Carnegie,
Debbie Mandel or Robert Fulghum.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:11:32
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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Having appreciated the knowledge you have shared over the years, I am at a
loss to understand why you give these morons a minute of your time. I
assume you can see that they are just jerking your chain, right?
Bryan
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:cW_Jg.941179$084.592219@attbi_s22...
> MA-MA wrote:
>>
>> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and
>> queries himself, he always poinst to other sources. Anyone can do that.
>>
>>
>
> Anybody can spout off in a newsgroup. When trying to answer questions
> or provide resources for self learners, one needs to provide sources
> for quotations and references.
>
>
> Comment:
> It is pathetic that some posters must keep changing their posting IDs
> to be "heard" in a public forum, because they are so offensive that most
> participants relegate them to killfiles over and over. Try to have some
> courtesy when participating in USENET newsgroups.
>
> Perhaps MA-MA might want to consider reading books by Dale Carnegie,
> Debbie Mandel or Robert Fulghum.
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:43:00
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: Pluto and Neptune
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In article <Ut0Kg.4558$bM.1283@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Bryan <behenry@mindspring.com > wrote:
> Having appreciated the knowledge you have shared over the years, I am at a
> loss to understand why you give these morons a minute of your time. I
> assume you can see that they are just jerking your chain, right?
>
> Bryan
If the answer is in public, such as in a newsgroup, the answer may not be
intended only to the person asking the question, but also to other readers
of the newsgroup. That's why it may be worthwhile to also respond to
morons.
> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:cW_Jg.941179$084.592219@attbi_s22...
>> MA-MA wrote:
>>>
>>> Listen, maybe you don't understand. Sam never aswers questions and
>>> queries himself, he always poinst to other sources. Anyone can do that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Anybody can spout off in a newsgroup. When trying to answer questions
>> or provide resources for self learners, one needs to provide sources
>> for quotations and references.
>>
>>
>> Comment:
>> It is pathetic that some posters must keep changing their posting IDs
>> to be "heard" in a public forum, because they are so offensive that most
>> participants relegate them to killfiles over and over. Try to have some
>> courtesy when participating in USENET newsgroups.
>>
>> Perhaps MA-MA might want to consider reading books by Dale Carnegie,
>> Debbie Mandel or Robert Fulghum.
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