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Date: 05 Oct 2006 01:16:23
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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In 1971, the LAAS (Los Angeles Astrononical Society) had one
un-fortunate menber named Lenard Brickham. Lenard was an amputee due
to an unfortunate accident in 1970. He was a kind man though he was
mildly sciophrenic. Not wild and dangerouos by any means.
Lenard would attend the mirror polishing sessions of the LAAS in order
to gain freind ship Some times he would wander away from the group
into the machine shop of the G.O. At that time, I was the photographer
(part time) at the G. O.
I was responsible for reporting his incursions away fron the LAAS
mirrior making area which resulted in the ejection of the L. A A S
frron the G. O.
I have kept this secret for over 30 years. Bill Kaufman (the ass hole
diretor at the time), over reacted and threw th LAAS out of the
Griffith Observatory
I am so sorry I did this that I can not express it. I did not think
that Bill Kaufman would take these measures..
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 03:07:25
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
*Plonk*
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 03:25:45
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote:
>Jim Klein wrote:
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> *Plonk*
And this means what?
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 15:16:02
From: Trane Francks
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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On 2006-10-05 12:25 +0900, Jim Klein wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
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>>Jim Klein wrote:
>>
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>> *Plonk*
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> And this means what?
It means that both Sam and Jan have toss your butt into their killfile
rules so that they'll never have to read your posts again.
Enjoy the day.
trane
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// Trane Francks trane@gol.com Tokyo, Japan
// Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 15:37:23
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Trane Francks wrote:
> On 2006-10-05 12:25 +0900, Jim Klein wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
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>>> Jim Klein wrote:
>>>
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>>> *Plonk*
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>> And this means what?
>
> It means that both Sam and Jan have toss your butt into their killfile
> rules so that they'll never have to read your posts again.
>
Me, too.
Phil
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 13:26:18
From: Bob Schmall
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
> In 1971, the LAAS (Los Angeles Astrononical Society) had one
> un-fortunate menber named Lenard Brickham. Lenard was an amputee due
> to an unfortunate accident in 1970. He was a kind man though he was
> mildly sciophrenic. Not wild and dangerouos by any means.
>
> Lenard would attend the mirror polishing sessions of the LAAS in order
> to gain freind ship Some times he would wander away from the group
> into the machine shop of the G.O. At that time, I was the photographer
> (part time) at the G. O.
>
> I was responsible for reporting his incursions away fron the LAAS
> mirrior making area which resulted in the ejection of the L. A A S
> frron the G. O.
>
> I have kept this secret for over 30 years. Bill Kaufman (the ass hole
> diretor at the time), over reacted and threw th LAAS out of the
> Griffith Observatory
>
> I am so sorry I did this that I can not express it. I did not think
> that Bill Kaufman would take these measures..
>
>
>
The key words in your post are "ass hole." It's his problem, not yours,
so forget it. You're carrying around way too much unjustified guilt.
Bob
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 01:08:36
From: Impeach Bush
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
> In 1971, the LAAS (Los Angeles Astrononical Society) had one
> un-fortunate menber named Lenard Brickham. Lenard was an amputee due
> to an unfortunate accident in 1970. He was a kind man though he was
> mildly sciophrenic. Not wild and dangerouos by any means.
>
> Lenard would attend the mirror polishing sessions of the LAAS in order
> to gain freind ship Some times he would wander away from the group
> into the machine shop of the G.O. At that time, I was the photographer
> (part time) at the G. O.
>
> I was responsible for reporting his incursions away fron the LAAS
> mirrior making area which resulted in the ejection of the L. A A S
> frron the G. O.
>
> I have kept this secret for over 30 years. Bill Kaufman (the ass hole
> diretor at the time), over reacted and threw th LAAS out of the
> Griffith Observatory
>
> I am so sorry I did this that I can not express it. I did not think
> that Bill Kaufman would take these measures..
The solution is obvious. Become a Catholic or join the Foreign Legion.
Good luck.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 12:42:27
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Sorry about the post. Did not mean to be that much of a bother.
Jim
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 01:58:33
From: Father Khym
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
> Sorry about the post. Did not mean to be that much of a bother.
>
> Jim
Well bud, there are legitimate means to service a complaint. What
you are doing aint one of them. This group has no power or even the
brains to do anything. If you have a legitimate complaint I suggest
you put it to the proper authorities. That's the way most people
take care of business.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 18:13:32
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Guys,
excuse me.
I have felt guilty for thinking I was the primary mover in getting the
LAAS optical shop kicked out of the G.O. for a long time. I was 26 or
27. It was a long time ago. 1971 or 1972
If in fact I was not the primary mover in getting Bill Kaufman to get
these folks ejected and something else did it, then it would be a big
load off my head to know.
I'm not posting this to flame anyone and since I thought a lot of ATMs
had been impacted by it, I wanted to come clean on the issue.
If my comments about the dead (Bill Kaufman) are offensive, then they
are but less offensive than he was. Sometimes life is offensive. He
slept with one part time administrative assistant, then he fired her
and tried it on others. He was a bad person.
Again, I'm sorry I posted the original post, but I think everything in
the post was true.
The reaction to my post is very unexpected. I really don't understand
most of them. Am I offending someone because of the language I used or
what ?
Jim
Jim
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 00:53:15
From: Impeach Bush
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
> Guys,
>
> excuse me.
>
> I have felt guilty for thinking I was the primary mover in getting the
> LAAS optical shop kicked out of the G.O. for a long time. I was 26 or
> 27. It was a long time ago. 1971 or 1972
>
> If in fact I was not the primary mover in getting Bill Kaufman to get
> these folks ejected and something else did it, then it would be a big
> load off my head to know.
>
> I'm not posting this to flame anyone and since I thought a lot of ATMs
> had been impacted by it, I wanted to come clean on the issue.
>
> If my comments about the dead (Bill Kaufman) are offensive, then they
> are but less offensive than he was. Sometimes life is offensive. He
> slept with one part time administrative assistant, then he fired her
> and tried it on others. He was a bad person.
>
> Again, I'm sorry I posted the original post, but I think everything in
> the post was true.
>
> The reaction to my post is very unexpected. I really don't understand
> most of them. Am I offending someone because of the language I used or
> what ?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim
Bottom line here is I doubt anyone can or will do anything, especially
this late in the game. We can be sympathetic and some have been.
Beyond that what is anyone (here) supposed to do or can do? Even
if someone wanted to try and do something its a little like arguing with
the cable franchise - they do what they want and plenty of people get
hurt in the process. That's the world we live in.
Members of my club have been locked out of our observatory all
year to no avail, in spite of promise after promise to get power back.
Something is going on - who knows what because there are so many stories,
so many versions of stories (not including the outright lies), it
just hs 1/3rd of my club outraged but nothing we do about it. It has all
the wackos and gossipers and jeaolous types very happy (at our
misery missing a whole year of astronomy at our own club observatory)! And
these morons even expect us to cough up $10k
a piece to donate to the new building project! We have no real leadership,
morons on every side, the usual club trouble makers
having a wonderful time ......... and the rest of us including myself are
SCREWED! It wasnt supposed to happen this way but it has.
What to do? Take a hot bath and drink some hot coco! Get up tomorrow and
work for a better day. Thats all I know to tell ya!
l'hayim!
Jerry
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 09:41:17
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein wrote:
> [big ol' snip]
This is 35 years ago. Whatever your feelings about your own actions
and those of Bill, it's long past time to move on. People change--we
hope for the better. I think when people say they don't care anymore,
it's not a reflection on the relative significance of the event; it's
just a reflection on the healing effects of time.
Let it go.
--
Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu >
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 20:39:07
From: Pierre Vandevennne
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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Jim Klein <jameseklein@earthlink.net > wrote in
news:2ll8i2hj4utg97ihafirsf075sb314j5gt@4ax.com:
> I have kept this secret for over 30 years.
Here is a tip for you
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 02:13:07
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: Personal resonsibility, G. O. LAAS
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I was a relatively new LAAS member when this happened. When Ed Krupp took
over and it was time to talk about going back to GO I was the president of
LAAS so I had a lot to do with the move back to GO. The general feeling
was that Bill Kaufman was just looking for an excuse to get rid of LAAS and
Leonard was the excuse he found. It's probably the reason Bill had you
reporting on Leonard's movements. If not for Leonard, I'm sure he would
have found something else. ISTR someone in the shop poured pitch into a
sink drain and that's what resulted in the ejection but I wasn't in the
shops so I don't know about that.
Bill had no use for an amateur club at GO, unlike directors before and
after him. One member asked him if he was ever an amateur astronomer and
he responded that he was because his parents took him to Hayden Planetarium
once. He was clueless.
Leonard is an unfortunate case, though. He continued to hang around LAAS
but was kept out. He applied to re-join in the late 70s when we were back
at GO but was turned down. He'd gone a little farther over the edge by
then and no one liked having him around.
I'm still in touch with some LAAS members you'll know who were around
before me and more involved in running LAAS in '71. I'll pass on your note
and contact you off the newsgroup. There aren't likely to be many LAAS
old-timers here. Not that old, anyway.
Bottom line on the incident, IMHO, is that Bill was going to eject LAAS no
matter what happened, and nothing you or we could have done would have
changed it. Some felt we were better off meeting in less grand
surroundings than dealing with Bill Kaufman anyway.
Mike Simmons
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