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Date: 31 Jul 2006 22:37:13
From: Ioannis
Subject: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Orielo's on the move.
It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
Sharpen your killfiles!
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Ioannis
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 20:51:26
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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"Ioannis" <morpheus@olympus.mons > wrote in message
news:1154374637.566828@athnrd02...
> Orielo's on the move.
>
> It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>
> Sharpen your killfiles!
> --
> Ioannis
>
At least who or whatever that is doesn't change their name.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 09:13:31
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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I have already PLUNKED him.
"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> "Ioannis" <morpheus@olympus.mons> wrote in message
> news:1154374637.566828@athnrd02...
>> Orielo's on the move.
>>
>> It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>>
>> Sharpen your killfiles!
>> --
>> Ioannis
>>
>
> At least who or whatever that is doesn't change their name.
>
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 12:52:24
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Ioannis wrote:
> Orielo's on the move.
>
> It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>
> Sharpen your killfiles!
> --
> Ioannis
When you go outside tonight and judge a star has returned to your
meridian in 23 hours 56 min 04 sec as determing the rotation of the
Earth on its axis, congratulate yourself that you are most certainly
among the most intuitively inept group of people ever to look out on
the cosmos.
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
The vocabulary here is of sunrise/sunset and constellations when
Copernicus did away with those notions about 500 years ago without the
need of a telescope.Time to grow up or call yourselves
astrophotographers.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 12:39:54
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Ernie Dunbar wrote:
> Ioannis wrote:
> > Orielo's on the move.
> >
> > It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>
> You *do* realize that Oriel's a bot, right? Just a computer program
> that tries to meet the Turing test (and fails, I might add).
Suit yourselves.
The great heliocentric insights are based on isolating axial and
orbital motions while you lot never make it out of a constellational
merry-go-round celestial sphere .You don't know what keeps the pace of
a clock hand in sync with the rotation of the Earth based on isolating
axial rotation and without that fundamental astronomical tenet,you can
forget about the great Copernican insight.
It is one thing to be unfamiliar with the material,it is quite
something else to carry on knowing that you are working with botched
and insincere working principles.What do you think is going to happen
when I no longer make the appeal to genuine people to reconsider this
particular intellectual and intuitive holocaust based on a dumb
celestial sphere ?.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 20:24:31
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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A wave of relief will wash over this newsgroup. One source of noise
will be silenced. Life and the universe will continue as before.
>"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What do you think is going to happen
>when I no longer make the appeal to genuine people to reconsider this
>particular intellectual and intuitive holocaust based on a dumb
>celestial sphere ?.
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
http://flavorj.com/~skysea
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 12:24:30
From: Ernie Dunbar
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Ioannis wrote:
> Orielo's on the move.
>
> It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
You *do* realize that Oriel's a bot, right? Just a computer program
that tries to meet the Turing test (and fails, I might add).
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 23:52:52
From: Ioannis
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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"Ernie Dunbar" <wallace.n.grommet@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1154719470.338146.137600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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>
> Ioannis wrote:
> > Orielo's on the move.
> >
> > It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>
> You *do* realize that Oriel's a bot, right? Just a computer program
> that tries to meet the Turing test (and fails, I might add).
I don't know, Ernie. I used to be sure, since I've mentioned it a couple of
times myself.
http://tinyurl.com/ztyhs
The argument that it's a bot is pretty easy, once one recognizes that it's
always sticking to a pre-existing (yet large) array of writings about the
same topic (heliocentricity), but lately I detect that it's picking up very
subtle nuances related to "plonking" and "badmouthing" acknowledgement,
which technically fall under self-reference. These would be non-trivial to
program into a bot and would constitute arguments FOR a human, yet its total
lack of coherence supports arguments for BOTH a psychopath AND a bot. It's a
trait of both.
On the other hand it has been asked numerous times to supply a single word
answer, in the form of "yes/no" to several simple questions and it fails
every time, which would be a very strong argument FOR a disassociative
psychopath, since most older type programs can do that trivially.
I have worked with both groups (psychopaths and AI programmers) and I tend
to lean towards 51% for psychopath, 49% for bot.
If it is a bot, it's a pretty darn good one, insofar as it has many readers
fooled into thinking it is human. It certainly is several steps beyond
simple Eliza type programs, but it still has the most basic shortcoming: Its
lack of coherence is more pronounced than in such programs, something which
makes it pretty ineffective in whatever it does, thus still completely
useless.
--
Ioannis
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 13:38:56
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Is it really a bot?
"Ernie Dunbar" <wallace.n.grommet@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1154719470.338146.137600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Ioannis wrote:
>> Orielo's on the move.
>>
>> It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
>
> You *do* realize that Oriel's a bot, right? Just a computer program
> that tries to meet the Turing test (and fails, I might add).
>
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 07:55:20
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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St. John Smythe wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > Genuinely surprised that not even one participant spotted the
> > derstructive Newtonian mutation which wrecks the Copernican insight
>
> Yes, the whole world's out of step but Gerald (oriel), who has
> self-elevated himself above Isaac Newton.
>
> --
> St. John
> Why was I born with such contemporaries?
> -Oscar Wilde
Newton not only got it wrong,his celestial sphere working principles
which attemnpt to fit planetary motions into his terrestial ballistic
agenda are so contrived that only the greatest fool would follow them.
The whole world is not out of step and it already knows that the
Earth's rotates on its axis in 24 hours exactly,even without knowing
the noon correction and the heliocentric adaption which makes it that
way.Only a few theorists and their peeping tom cronies argue for the
sill justification of the 23 hours 56 min 04 sec celstial sphere value.
The 24 hour value isolates axial rotation at a rate of 15 degrees per
hour ,the orbital motion of the Earth accounts for the observed motion
of the outer planets and these two things constitute the height of
Westerm intuitive and intellectual achievement.Why anyone would stick
with an Ra/Dec system based on homogenised axial and orbital motion
based on 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days is the height of
fundamentalism and the world has seen to much of that
I consider myself to have failed ,not in your eyes but in the company
of the really great heliocentric astronomers whoes works were destroyed
by a silly and stupid Newtonian mutation.What can you say,that you
suceeded in turning astronomy and your own existence in a mediocre
affair.
With this time lapse footage availible,it will only be a matter of time
before people start to see Newton's ugly mutation,having no intuitive
intelligence you are unlikely to see what most people could in an
instant -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
Heliocentric motion is seen directly from Earth hence hence the
following statement is not in line with Copernican reasoning and is
ultimately a destructive working principle -
* For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct..."
Above Newton indeed ,anyone with common sense is above Newton.
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 03:08:21
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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A lot of good people suffer because they intuitively know they are good
at something but cannot quite realise what that something is.These
people have a great intuitive sense common to all astronomers but are
scared away from pursuing that avenue through the intimidating language
of theoretical junk or the dull and dreary exercise of celestial sphere
astrophotographers.
The benchmark for intuitive astronomy is something that is beyond the
theorists and their optical cronies - the simple recognition that
planetary orbital motion around the Sun is seen directly from Earth
representing the orbital motion in isolation.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
You lack any intuitive sense and can be identified with the destructive
Newtonian mutation hence you spend all you time attacking me rather
than dealing with the mess you inherited from Isaac -
* For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen
direct..."
Lacking the intuitive sense to know retorgrade motion is seen against
the stellar background and the conclusion based on planetary motion
seen from an orbitally moving Earth,the great heliocentric insight
withers under the ignorant mutation of Newton.
I give you lot an education,the chances are that only an exceptional
few are capable of knowing the difference between what is correct and
what is not.
Ioannis wrote:
> "Ernie Dunbar" <wallace.n.grommet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154719470.338146.137600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > Ioannis wrote:
> > > Orielo's on the move.
> > >
> > > It's either the heat wave or he's skipping his medication again.
> >
> > You *do* realize that Oriel's a bot, right? Just a computer program
> > that tries to meet the Turing test (and fails, I might add).
>
> I don't know, Ernie. I used to be sure, since I've mentioned it a couple of
> times myself.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ztyhs
>
> The argument that it's a bot is pretty easy, once one recognizes that it's
> always sticking to a pre-existing (yet large) array of writings about the
> same topic (heliocentricity), but lately I detect that it's picking up very
> subtle nuances related to "plonking" and "badmouthing" acknowledgement,
> which technically fall under self-reference. These would be non-trivial to
> program into a bot and would constitute arguments FOR a human, yet its total
> lack of coherence supports arguments for BOTH a psychopath AND a bot. It's a
> trait of both.
>
> On the other hand it has been asked numerous times to supply a single word
> answer, in the form of "yes/no" to several simple questions and it fails
> every time, which would be a very strong argument FOR a disassociative
> psychopath, since most older type programs can do that trivially.
>
> I have worked with both groups (psychopaths and AI programmers) and I tend
> to lean towards 51% for psychopath, 49% for bot.
>
> If it is a bot, it's a pretty darn good one, insofar as it has many readers
> fooled into thinking it is human. It certainly is several steps beyond
> simple Eliza type programs, but it still has the most basic shortcoming: Its
> lack of coherence is more pronounced than in such programs, something which
> makes it pretty ineffective in whatever it does, thus still completely
> useless.
> --
> Ioannis
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 02:54:59
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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SkySea wrote:
> A wave of relief will wash over this newsgroup. One source of noise
> will be silenced. Life and the universe will continue as before.
>
A wave of mediocrity more like it as you carry on with the celestial
sphere merry-go-round.
The astronomical principles which reflect axial rotation and the pace
of a clock hand will remain unheeded and especially the exquisite and
intricate process which links the pre-Copernican 24 hour day to its
adaption.This jewel ,which requires no external reference for axial
rotation as an indepedent motion,is the basic astronomical point of
departure for the larger motions such as heliocentric orbital
motion.Your Ra/Dec system fails to recognise the distinction hence you
are no astronomers in the true sense of the word.
Genuinely surprised that not even one participant spotted the
derstructive Newtonian mutation which wrecks the Copernican insight and
its later refinements but then again, a life spent as a celestial
peeping tom hardly qualifies one as having intellectual and intuitive
intelligence.
Go ahead and look out on celestial sphere geometry and the warped space
of theorists,a universe for diseased minds.
> >"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >What do you think is going to happen
> >when I no longer make the appeal to genuine people to reconsider this
> >particular intellectual and intuitive holocaust based on a dumb
> >celestial sphere ?.
>
> =============
> - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
> http://flavorj.com/~skysea
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 08:14:10
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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oriel36 wrote:
> Genuinely surprised that not even one participant spotted the
> derstructive Newtonian mutation which wrecks the Copernican insight
Yes, the whole world's out of step but Gerald (oriel), who has
self-elevated himself above Isaac Newton.
--
St. John
Why was I born with such contemporaries?
-Oscar Wilde
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 08:11:37
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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Marty wrote:
> I've been forcing myself to ignore Gerald, no matter how pretentious,
> annoying, or insulting he becomes. Since this thread is already growing
> though, JUST IGNORE HIM. Makes no difference if he's a person, a bot,
> or an amoeba.
> Marty
All that is left for you is to sit and wait so do not bother with
pathetic calls for ostracism.
The people I was looking for have little time to circle the wagons,the
vastness of the astronomical discipline never required small minds with
big mirrors,just a keen sense of the cycles and how to work them.
You get to discuss whatever you like and hate within the confines of
the Ra/Dec system ,that is your punishment.Personally I would not wish
anyone to exist in a celestial sphere cistern with warped space
attached but there is a time to stop trying and allow you to continue
in your mediocrity.
Even in desperate times such as this, a new avenue will open up with
enough effort and it is time I cleaned up the way I write my own posts
anyway.
Have a ball with the celestial sphere imaging.
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 09:06:09
From: Marty
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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I've been forcing myself to ignore Gerald, no matter how pretentious,
annoying, or insulting he becomes. Since this thread is already growing
though, JUST IGNORE HIM. Makes no difference if he's a person, a bot,
or an amoeba.
Marty
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 11:52:48
From: Ernie Dunbar
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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St. John Smythe wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > Genuinely surprised that not even one participant spotted the
> > derstructive Newtonian mutation which wrecks the Copernican insight
>
> Yes, the whole world's out of step but Gerald (oriel), who has
> self-elevated himself above Isaac Newton
Apparently, noone is listening every time I say "Oriel is a bot".
He's just a computer program. If you talk about it in the newsgroup,
reply to it, or otherwise mention it, then it responds with some random
18th century argument about astronomy. If you carefully inspect the
context, then you'll notice that it's as if it doesn't even read your
post. And it doesn't. You could say "Oriel is a big fat poopyhead", and
it would say back "yes, but your newtonian-based physics are
demostratably wrong!"
If your newsreader has a killfile, killfile him. If it doesn't (like if
you use google groups), then just keep in mind that Oriel isn't real
and stop responding to it.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 13:11:46
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Orielo: PLONK^2
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The Oriel Bot makes a lot more sense lately than Min. (Danny Joe)
"Ernie Dunbar" <wallace.n.grommet@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1155063168.623495.105290@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> St. John Smythe wrote:
>> oriel36 wrote:
>> > Genuinely surprised that not even one participant spotted the
>> > derstructive Newtonian mutation which wrecks the Copernican insight
>>
>> Yes, the whole world's out of step but Gerald (oriel), who has
>> self-elevated himself above Isaac Newton
>
> Apparently, noone is listening every time I say "Oriel is a bot".
>
> He's just a computer program. If you talk about it in the newsgroup,
> reply to it, or otherwise mention it, then it responds with some random
> 18th century argument about astronomy. If you carefully inspect the
> context, then you'll notice that it's as if it doesn't even read your
> post. And it doesn't. You could say "Oriel is a big fat poopyhead", and
> it would say back "yes, but your newtonian-based physics are
> demostratably wrong!"
>
> If your newsreader has a killfile, killfile him. If it doesn't (like if
> you use google groups), then just keep in mind that Oriel isn't real
> and stop responding to it.
>
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