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Date: 27 Jul 2006 23:13:38
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Occultation of Mars
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Dear Friends,
I am delighted to present you with the occultation of Mars by the two-day old crescent moon which transpired 90 minutes ago. Stable skies but quite heavy winds added to the challenge of locating the very thin crescent moon and Mars an hour before the occultation and during daylight so that a time series could be initiated. Nevertheless, with some persistence, these two celestial bodies were eventually located and a wonderful show started to unfold as Mars and the Moon approached one another most gracefully.
The disappearance of Mars behind the Moon's dark eastern limb occurred at 21:25:22 local time with the setting moon only 7.3 degrees above the horizon and which, regrettably, did not permit for the observation and photography of the red planet's reappearance 48 minutes thereafter when the moon was already two degrees below the horizon.
Mars is now a miniscule 3.7" (apparent diameter) and, thankfully, this is something which did not adversely impact the recording of this dramatic event. The moon was slightly over two days old and with a phase of 6.2% which proved to be a godsend since a relatively longer exposure was required and which simultaneously helped in the suitable capture of Mars.
The digital mosaic includes a time series of the celestial dance between Mars and Luna with exposures spaced 5 minutes apart with the ingress step used to complete the series. To this end, I kindly direct you to http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Lunar-Occult-2006-07-27D.htm .
Bst wishes from Greece!
Anthony.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 04:22:26
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I am delighted to present you with the occultation of Mars by the
> two-day old crescent moon which transpired 90 minutes ago. Stable skies
> but quite heavy winds added to the challenge of locating the very thin
> crescent moon and Mars an hour before the occultation and during
> daylight so that a time series could be initiated. Nevertheless, with
> some persistence, these two celestial bodies were eventually located and
> a wonderful show started to unfold as Mars and the Moon approached one
> another most gracefully.
>
> The disappearance of Mars behind the Moon's dark eastern limb occurred
> at 21:25:22 local time with the setting moon only 7.3 degrees above the
> horizon and which, regrettably, did not permit for the observation and
> photography of the red planet's reappearance 48 minutes thereafter when
> the moon was already two degrees below the horizon.
>
> Mars is now a miniscule 3.7" (apparent diameter) and, thankfully, this
> is something which did not adversely impact the recording of this
> dramatic event. The moon was slightly over two days old and with a phase
> of 6.2% which proved to be a godsend since a relatively longer exposure
> was required and which simultaneously helped in the suitable capture of
> Mars.
>
> The digital mosaic includes a time series of the celestial dance between
> Mars and Luna with exposures spaced 5 minutes apart with the ingress
> step used to complete the series. To this end, I kindly direct you to
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Lunar-Occult-2006-07-27D.htm .
>
> Bst wishes from Greece!
>
> Anthony.
>
Excellent!
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Date: 30 Jul 2006 08:18:58
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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jc wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
>
> > > > Bst wishes from Greece!
> > > >
> > > > Anthony.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Excellent!
> >
> > The reason that the analemma is a destructive concept based on variable
> > axial tilt to the Sun is that it is a hemispherical view and does not
> > recognise the unique points in the Earth's orbital orientation and that
> > change against fixed axial orientation.
> >
> > http://www.climateprediction.net/images/sci_images/annual.gif
> >
> > The temperature signatures and the oscillation of temperature bands
> > indicate a true sense of the enormous power of the Sun,to assign a
> > variable planetary axial tilt to the Sun or to take note of the Sun's
> > position against the Equator/axis is to entirely miss the point hence
> > the analemma is for people who have no appreciation of cosmological
> > scale in terms of heliocentricity.
> >
> > No doubt,the pretty pictures based on using a 24 hour day and the
> > position of the Sun will fascinate the photographer but for everyone
> > else it will be an indulgence humanity can no longer afford.So
> > important that I am willing to forego any criticism on this topic and
> > present why it is crucial to alter the late 17th century mutations of
> > heliocentricity which force an awful variable axial tilt on the Earth
> > while orientating it to a celestial sphere geometry.
>
> Good job you're here Gezza, to point out why our telescopes
> consistently fail to track accurately and our interplanetary probes
> keep missing their targets. Hmm, our cosmological model must be
> fundamentally flawed. It's a worry.
Your Ra/Dec tracking system works only when the system is built on 3
years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days.This 1461 day cycle cannot
reflect an accurate picture of the Earth's annual orbital motion,I
would say for obvious reasons but as the tracking system is basically
celestial sphere geometry and you appear to be hellbent on retaining
the sidereal system as something more than a convenience,I doubt it
would make any difference for want of intuitive intelligence on your
part.
> PS.
> Built any accurate sundials lately Gezza (you know, the things that
> used the analemma well before your fantasy lover was born)?
> Used any telescopes lately Gezza ?
> Built any telescope drives lately Gezza ?
You will not hear of the analemma,as you know it,until the use of
clocks in the late 17th century.It was nothing other than a childish
and destructive moustache painting exercise on the gorgeous Equation of
Time principles in order to get the celestial sphere to fit with
terrestial longitudes.
Your 23 hours 56 min 04 sec tracking of the return of a star to a
meridian has a very distinct geometry to it and whatever convenience
the Ra/Dec system provides for observational purposes,that people try
to justify the axial rotation of the earth directly to this geometry
should be frightening to people who should know better.
Every star in this geometry will return to a meridian in 23 hours 56
min 04 sec but can only do so with the geometry attached -
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
At least the Ptolemaic astronomers dropped the stellar background in
drawing conclusions on planetary motion,Newtonians dropped planetary
motions and concentrated on the stellar background reference hence the
'predictive power' of positional constellation astrology.
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Date: 30 Jul 2006 11:20:50
From: Gil
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Excellent photo under difficult conditions! Thank you for that.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 02:30:18
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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jc wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > jc wrote:
> > > oriel36 wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Bst wishes from Greece!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anthony.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Excellent!
> > > >
> > > > The reason that the analemma is a destructive concept based on variable
> > > > axial tilt to the Sun is that it is a hemispherical view and does not
> > > > recognise the unique points in the Earth's orbital orientation and that
> > > > change against fixed axial orientation.
> > > >
>
> <Snip usual obsesive diatribe>
> > >
> > > Good job you're here Gezza, to point out why our telescopes
> > > consistently fail to track accurately and our interplanetary probes
> > > keep missing their targets. Hmm, our cosmological model must be
> > > fundamentally flawed. It's a worry.
> >
> > Your Ra/Dec tracking system works only when the system is built on 3
> > years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days.This 1461 day cycle cannot
> > reflect an accurate picture of the Earth's annual orbital motion,I
> > would say for obvious reasons but as the tracking system is basically
> > celestial sphere geometry and you appear to be hellbent on retaining
> > the sidereal system as something more than a convenience,I doubt it
> > would make any difference for want of intuitive intelligence on your
> > part.
> >
> >No, my platform track correctly whatever arbitrary values you use. The world turns without your supervision Gezza.
> >
> > > PS.
> > > Built any accurate sundials lately Gezza (you know, the things that
> > > used the analemma well before your fantasy lover was born)?
> > > Used any telescopes lately Gezza ?
> > > Built any telescope drives lately Gezza ?
> >
> > You will not hear of the ,as you know it,until the use of
> > clocks in the late 17th century.It was nothing other than a childish
> > and destructive moustache painting exercise on the gorgeous Equation of
> > Time principles in order to get the celestial sphere to fit with
> > terrestial longitudes.
>
> So I can take that as a no then ?
> >>You will not hear of the ,as you know it,until the use of
> > clocks in the late 17th century.It was nothing other than a childish<<
>
> Except for the 10th century alidades (ahlidade) used by the Arabs with
> a pinhole and analemma ? or you can pretend they don't exist, I don't
> mind.
> >
> > Your 23 hours 56 min 04 sec tracking of the return of a star to a
> > meridian has a very distinct geometry to it and whatever convenience
> > the Ra/Dec system provides f<
>
> Like; It works ?
> Your obsolete model would have been proven by the "looking back" shot
> from Voyager 1 in 1991, it was not.
> See ya next year Gezza, I expect you'll still be bleating the same
> thing,
> I'll have acomplished goals and lived my life in the real world in that
> time though.
> Try it, it can't hurt.
> Good luck,
> jc
No doubt that bleating about the most fundamental astronomical
correlation of all - the pace of a clock hand swepping across its face
in sync with axial rotation as an independent motion looks like a minor
detail but considering you and your colleagues are off by 3 minutes and
56 seconds each day and build conceptual notions of planetary motion on
that 23 hours 56 min value,I assure you that it is worth my while to
find somebody capable of understanding this particular intuitive and
intellectual holocaust.
You accomplished goals indeed !,your kind are truly an obstacle to a
better understanding of planetary phenomena such as geology and climate
studies insofar as these disciplines require an accurate understanding
of axial and orbital motions in their indpedent and compound forms.I
care not to complain about you other than you are the dominant through
insincerity and incompetence however I did expect at least one other
person to discover the intellectually and intuitively satisfying way
the pre-Copernican equable day was adapted to the heliocentric
principle of axial rotation at 15 degres per hour.
If you want to accomplish a real goal then drop celestial sphere
geometry and work towards restoring the accurate principles based on
the Earth's motions to our parent star alone as the main reference for
the clock system.It is vital for climatological studies in an era when
the data is excellent but the astronomical framework is terrible.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 01:53:09
From: jc
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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oriel36 wrote:
> jc wrote:
> > oriel36 wrote:
> >
> > > > > Bst wishes from Greece!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Excellent!
> > >
> > > The reason that the analemma is a destructive concept based on variable
> > > axial tilt to the Sun is that it is a hemispherical view and does not
> > > recognise the unique points in the Earth's orbital orientation and that
> > > change against fixed axial orientation.
> > >
<Snip usual obsesive diatribe >
> >
> > Good job you're here Gezza, to point out why our telescopes
> > consistently fail to track accurately and our interplanetary probes
> > keep missing their targets. Hmm, our cosmological model must be
> > fundamentally flawed. It's a worry.
>
> Your Ra/Dec tracking system works only when the system is built on 3
> years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days.This 1461 day cycle cannot
> reflect an accurate picture of the Earth's annual orbital motion,I
> would say for obvious reasons but as the tracking system is basically
> celestial sphere geometry and you appear to be hellbent on retaining
> the sidereal system as something more than a convenience,I doubt it
> would make any difference for want of intuitive intelligence on your
> part.
>
>No, my platform track correctly whatever arbitrary values you use. The world turns without your supervision Gezza.
>
> > PS.
> > Built any accurate sundials lately Gezza (you know, the things that
> > used the analemma well before your fantasy lover was born)?
> > Used any telescopes lately Gezza ?
> > Built any telescope drives lately Gezza ?
>
> You will not hear of the ,as you know it,until the use of
> clocks in the late 17th century.It was nothing other than a childish
> and destructive moustache painting exercise on the gorgeous Equation of
> Time principles in order to get the celestial sphere to fit with
> terrestial longitudes.
So I can take that as a no then ?
>>You will not hear of the ,as you know it,until the use of
> clocks in the late 17th century.It was nothing other than a childish<<
Except for the 10th century alidades (ahlidade) used by the Arabs with
a pinhole and analemma ? or you can pretend they don't exist, I don't
mind.
>
> Your 23 hours 56 min 04 sec tracking of the return of a star to a
> meridian has a very distinct geometry to it and whatever convenience
> the Ra/Dec system provides f<
Like; It works ?
Your obsolete model would have been proven by the "looking back" shot
from Voyager 1 in 1991, it was not.
See ya next year Gezza, I expect you'll still be bleating the same
thing,
I'll have acomplished goals and lived my life in the real world in that
time though.
Try it, it can't hurt.
Good luck,
jc
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:49:02
From: Llanzlan Klazmon
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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"jc" <joncarruthers@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:1154335989.698860.300070@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
<SNIP >
>
> Like; It works ?
> Your obsolete model would have been proven by the "looking back" shot
> from Voyager 1 in 1991, it was not.
> See ya next year Gezza, I expect you'll still be bleating the same
> thing,
> I'll have acomplished goals and lived my life in the real world in that
> time though.
> Try it, it can't hurt.
> Good luck,
> jc
My suspicion is that Oriel is some sort of bot. It just replies with canned
blurbs to certain key words.
Klazmon.
>
>
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:37:57
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Every star in the following graphic will return to a meridian in 23
hours 56 min 04 sec -
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
The stars will return in that period whether there are 365 days in a
year or 366 days in a year.
Now,if there existed one person with enough intelligence to recognise
why it is not a good idea to justify a celestial sphere geometry using
the heliocentric orbital and axial motions of the Earth,I would not
have to come here and try to reduce things down to your abysmal level.
http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses//astro201/images/sidereal_day.gif
You would be believe anything to maintain the dumb attempt to prove
that axial rotation to a non existing celestial sphere proves the
Earth's rotation on its axis is constant * in order to tie terrestial
longitudes to apparent stellar motion.
* "Flamsteed used the star Sirius as a timekeeper correcting the
sidereal time obtained from successive transits of the star into solar
time, the difference of course being due to the rotation of the Earth
round the Sun. Flamsteed wrote in a letter in 1677:-
... our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I
doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be
isochronical... "
WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote:
> Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
> >
> > My suspicion is that Oriel is some sort of bot. It just replies with canned
> > blurbs to certain key words.
> >
> > Klazmon.
> >
>
> His ramblings are very reminiscent of the old "Fuzz Phrase Computer"
> that was published in Aeronautics and Space magazine back in the late
> 60's for composing reports to government contracting agencies. There
> were three lists of phrases containing such gems as "integrated
> management contingencies", and "was not inconsistent with", and the
> like. You also got a spinner that pointed to a random number after you
> pasted it to a piece cardboard and loosly rivited the arrow onto it.
> Then all you did was spin the arrow, write down the subject phrase from
> list A, spin again, write down the connecting verb from list B, spin
> again and add the predicate phrase from list C and add a period. You
> repeat this until your document was thick enough. It generated the
> most amazing stuff. On quick reading it sounded so much like report
> bureaucracese that it would fool anyone just skimming the document.
> Upon careful analysis it became obvious that the meaningful content was
> exactly zero. It would be trivial to write a computer program that did
> something like the old Fuzz Phrase Computer, particularly if you picked
> different lists based upon key words.
>
> Most amazed, Clif
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:18:54
From:
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote:
> "Fuzz Phrase Computer"
> that was published in Aeronautics and Space magazine back in the late
> 60's
Actually it was Aviation Week and Space Technology Magazine
Sorry 'bout that,
Clif
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 16:34:31
From: Llanzlan Klazmon
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote in news:1154535534.130891.90720
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote:
>> "Fuzz Phrase Computer"
>> that was published in Aeronautics and Space magazine back in the late
>> 60's
>
> Actually it was Aviation Week and Space Technology Magazine
>
> Sorry 'bout that,
>
> Clif
>
Interesting. If you have a look at its' response to your previous post. I
would say that is confirming evidence. Even the funnymentalist creationist
loons don't come out with such complete non sequiturs.
Klazmon.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 09:12:14
From:
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
>
> My suspicion is that Oriel is some sort of bot. It just replies with canned
> blurbs to certain key words.
>
> Klazmon.
>
His ramblings are very reminiscent of the old "Fuzz Phrase Computer"
that was published in Aeronautics and Space magazine back in the late
60's for composing reports to government contracting agencies. There
were three lists of phrases containing such gems as "integrated
management contingencies", and "was not inconsistent with", and the
like. You also got a spinner that pointed to a random number after you
pasted it to a piece cardboard and loosly rivited the arrow onto it.
Then all you did was spin the arrow, write down the subject phrase from
list A, spin again, write down the connecting verb from list B, spin
again and add the predicate phrase from list C and add a period. You
repeat this until your document was thick enough. It generated the
most amazing stuff. On quick reading it sounded so much like report
bureaucracese that it would fool anyone just skimming the document.
Upon careful analysis it became obvious that the meaningful content was
exactly zero. It would be trivial to write a computer program that did
something like the old Fuzz Phrase Computer, particularly if you picked
different lists based upon key words.
Most amazed, Clif
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 06:35:30
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
> WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote in news:1154535534.130891.90720
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> > WA2GUF@optonline.net wrote:
> >> "Fuzz Phrase Computer"
> >> that was published in Aeronautics and Space magazine back in the late
> >> 60's
> >
> > Actually it was Aviation Week and Space Technology Magazine
> >
> > Sorry 'bout that,
> >
> > Clif
> >
>
> Interesting. If you have a look at its' response to your previous post. I
> would say that is confirming evidence. Even the funnymentalist creationist
> loons don't come out with such complete non sequiturs.
>
> Klazmon.
You have basic problems with the 24 hour day and its astronomical
origins,the creationists have fundamental problems with the 24 hour day
and biological/geological origins.
I am not angry at anyone here beyond the fact that they are following
people who took shortcuts for non astronomical ends such as
Flamsteed's false 'proof' for isochronal axial rotation in order to
link terrestial longitudes directly to a celestial sphere.
"Flamsteed used the star Sirius as a timekeeper correcting the sidereal
time obtained from successive transits of the star into solar time, the
difference of course being due to the rotation of the Earth round the
Sun. Flamsteed wrote in a letter in 1677:-
... our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I
doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be
isochronical... "
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Longitude2.html
Theorists would certainly not have the intuitive feel for why that
'proof' is incorrect and breaks several astronomical principles along
the way however it remains accepted as a fact and as a point of
departure for the terrestial ballistics agenda applied to planetary
motion.
The leap from terrestial ballistics to planetary motion with 17th
century data should look like a stretch and a quaint attempt but
considering what was done to fit the Newtonian ballistics agenda into
an Ra/Dec system at the expense of axial and orbital relationships,it
is not worth keeping those absurd working principles which favor a few
astrophotographic hobbiest and wild theorists that nobody pays
attension to any longer.
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 18:55:17
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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>Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
>> Interesting. If you have a look at its' response to your previous post. I
>> would say that is confirming evidence. Even the funnymentalist creationist
>> loons don't come out with such complete non sequiturs.
> "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com> responded:
>You have basic problems with the 24 hour day and its astronomical
>origins,the creationists have fundamental problems with the 24 hour day
>and biological/geological origins.
Perfect! <g >
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 14:24:59
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Jonathan Silverlight wrote:
> In message <Xns981396BA8B4E6Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
> Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> writes
> >
> >My suspicion is that Oriel is some sort of bot. It just replies with canned
> >blurbs to certain key words.
> >
>
> I was amused to see that the response to WA2GUF's post seems to confirm
> your idea. It's not a reply, just another script.
I wonder how many people detest that they have to agree with the same
mediocrity that drives your posts,the same begging for insults and the
smallness that highlights the cistern of the celestial sphere system of
the 'physics' that make the mechaniscal clockwork system go around.
These things were once known as nightmares yet are celebrated among
the intuitively bankrupt as achievements.You now know what went
wrong,now see if you can all live together with it.Now you will know
nightmares come to life as the intuitive faculties are resisted.
I watched the other forums fall apart but this one is different, the
seeds of astronomy still exist here and although concealed under a lot
of theortical garbage,they will emerge.Try souting about the wonders of
relativity is this forum and see what happens,then you will know what
nightmares are actually made of.
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 18:01:15
From: Jonathan Silverlight
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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In message <Xns981396BA8B4E6Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6 >, Llanzlan
Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt > writes
>
>My suspicion is that Oriel is some sort of bot. It just replies with canned
>blurbs to certain key words.
>
I was amused to see that the response to WA2GUF's post seems to confirm
your idea. It's not a reply, just another script.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 22:24:04
From: George
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.gr > wrote in message
news:eab6pp$ja7$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> Dear Friends,
>
> I am delighted to present you with the occultation of Mars by the two-day
> old crescent moon which transpired 90 minutes ago. Stable skies but quite
> heavy winds added to the challenge of locating the very thin crescent
> moon and Mars an hour before the occultation and during daylight so that
> a time series could be initiated. Nevertheless, with some persistence,
> these two celestial bodies were eventually located and a wonderful show
> started to unfold as Mars and the Moon approached one another most
> gracefully.
>
> The disappearance of Mars behind the Moon's dark eastern limb occurred at
> 21:25:22 local time with the setting moon only 7.3 degrees above the
> horizon and which, regrettably, did not permit for the observation and
> photography of the red planet's reappearance 48 minutes thereafter when
> the moon was already two degrees below the horizon.
>
> Mars is now a miniscule 3.7" (apparent diameter) and, thankfully, this is
> something which did not adversely impact the recording of this dramatic
> event. The moon was slightly over two days old and with a phase of 6.2%
> which proved to be a godsend since a relatively longer exposure was
> required and which simultaneously helped in the suitable capture of Mars.
>
> The digital mosaic includes a time series of the celestial dance between
> Mars and Luna with exposures spaced 5 minutes apart with the ingress step
> used to complete the series. To this end, I kindly direct you to
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Lunar-Occult-2006-07-27D.htm .
>
> Bst wishes from Greece!
>
> Anthony.
Nice. Thanks for sharing, Anthony.
George
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 18:08:08
From: Matthew Ota
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
>
(snip)
That is one impressive sequence you have shot there. But I am in total
awe of you analemma images, a type of astroimage that few have the time
or patience to take.
Matthew Ota
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 10:58:12
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Matthew Ota wrote:
> Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
>
>>Dear Friends,
>>
>>
>
> (snip)
>
> That is one impressive sequence you have shot there.
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I wish many things were different
about this particular event such as a red planet with a much larger
apparent diameter, a moon not so close to the horizon etc but I am quite
happy with the net result.
> But I am in total
> awe of you analemma images, a type of astroimage that few have the time
> or patience to take.
Unfortunately my final analemma is being extremely difficult. It is now
into its sixth annual attempt and I am keeping my fingers crossed it
comes to a successful end this year.
Anthony.
>
> Matthew Ota
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 00:38:54
From: John Nichols
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.gr > wrote in message
news:eab6pp$ja7$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> Dear Friends,
>
<snip >
> The disappearance of Mars behind the Moon's dark eastern limb occurred at
> 21:25:22 local time with the setting moon only 7.3 degrees above the
> horizon and which, regrettably, did not permit for the observation and
> photography of the red planet's reappearance 48 minutes thereafter when
> the moon was already two degrees below the horizon.
>
> Mars is now a miniscule 3.7" (apparent diameter) and, thankfully, this is
> something which did not adversely impact the recording of this dramatic
> event. The moon was slightly over two days old and with a phase of 6.2%
> which proved to be a godsend since a relatively longer exposure was
> required and which simultaneously helped in the suitable capture of Mars.
>
> The digital mosaic includes a time series of the celestial dance between
> Mars and Luna with exposures spaced 5 minutes apart with the ingress step
> used to complete the series. To this end, I kindly direct you to
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Lunar-Occult-2006-07-27D.htm .
>
> Bst wishes from Greece!
>
That's one cool picture. Congratulations!
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 01:07:27
From: Pete Lawrence
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:13:38 +0300, Anthony Ayiomamitis
<anthony@perseus.gr > wrote:
>Dear Friends,
>
>I am delighted to present you with the occultation of Mars by the two-day old crescent moon which transpired 90 minutes ago. Stable skies but quite heavy winds added to the challenge of locating the very thin crescent moon and Mars an hour before the occultation and during daylight so that a time series could be initiated. Nevertheless, with some persistence, these two celestial bodies were eventually located and a wonderful show started to unfold as Mars and the Moon approached one another most gracefully.
>
>The disappearance of Mars behind the Moon's dark eastern limb occurred at 21:25:22 local time with the setting moon only 7.3 degrees above the horizon and which, regrettably, did not permit for the observation and photography of the red planet's reappearance 48 minutes thereafter when the moon was already two degrees below the horizon.
>
>Mars is now a miniscule 3.7" (apparent diameter) and, thankfully, this is something which did not adversely impact the recording of this dramatic event. The moon was slightly over two days old and with a phase of 6.2% which proved to be a godsend since a relatively longer exposure was required and which simultaneously helped in the suitable capture of Mars.
>
>The digital mosaic includes a time series of the celestial dance between Mars and Luna with exposures spaced 5 minutes apart with the ingress step used to complete the series. To this end, I kindly direct you to http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Lunar-Occult-2006-07-27D.htm .
>
>Bst wishes from Greece!
Well done Anthony - a difficult capture indeed!
--
Pete
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 09:19:05
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Pete Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:18 +0300, Anthony Ayiomamitis
> <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote:
>
> >Gerald,
> >
> >Any mumbo-jumbo you can provide on a lunar analemma would be of interest
> >since this is something I would like to pursue as well.
> >
> >Anthony.
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> When Oriel36 is discussing the analemma, he doesn't like being called
> Gerald, he prefers Emma.
> --
> Pete
> http://www.digitalsky.org.uk
The greatest discovery of the millenia so far is the re-discovery of
the rich astronomical heritage from behind the trash of theorists and
astrophotographers.All wrapped up in the same useless cartoon
conception of tying axial rotation to the celestial sphere -
http://members.aol.com/jwholtz/analemma/analemma.htm
How long do you think it will be before people start to discover that
to appreciate Copernican heliocentricity,orbital motion must be
considered in isolation from axial rotation and to appreciate how the
24 hour clock system correlates with axial rotation,that motion has to
be considered in isolation.
So far,nobody has supported Copernican heliocentricity insofar as in
supporting the sidereal justification,it is impossible to affirm the
Copernican insight by adhering to that 17th century festering imposter
which also generated the silly analemma justification.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 09:10:50
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> Gerald,
>
> Any mumbo-jumbo you can provide on a lunar analemma would be of interest
> since this is something I would like to pursue as well.
>
> Anthony.
>
I love the way you allow the Earth to vary its tilt to the Sun while
keeping that tilt orientated to the celestial sphere,to get your
analemma the Earth has to so through these awful contortions -
http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/articles/seasons/images/earthyrb.gif
The Equation of Time reflects the rate of change of orbital
orientation, a global event that pays no attension whatsoever to
hemispherical conceptions based on axial tilt to the Sun/orbital plane.
Keeping making fools of yourselves with those wonderful images based on
clocks,real astronomy makes room for the emergence of clocks from
clearcut principles that you have yet to find.
> oriel36 wrote:
> > The analemma is worthless junk that emerged in the late 17th/early 18th
> > century.Whereas the reference for natural noon is always the same on a
> > sundial and from that reference,clock noon is derived from the Equation
> > of Time correction,there is absolutely no grounds for using a 24 hour
> > clock to gauge the position of the Sun.It is just a silly,stupid
> > nuisance perpetuated by astrophotographers who know no better.
> >
> > In order to keep axial orientation fixed to the celestial sphere to
> > justify the existence of the Ra/Dec system,the Sun is allowed to drift
> > against the Equator,hence the analemma.
> >
> > http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
> >
> >
> > Whereas the astronomical wisdom of both sets of astronomers;
> > pre-Copernican and heliocentric,was to derive the 24 hour day from the
> > natural noon reference,correct to the 24 hour day (pre-Copernican) and
> > adapt it to the heliocentric principle of indpendent axial rotation
> > without any need for an external reference (heliocentric)..
> >
> > The late 17th century guys such as Flamsteed introduced two external
> > references for axial rotation where none existed before and
> > unfortunately,while everyone uses the original Equation of Time
> > system,astrophotographers and theorists talking junk promote the
> > festering imposter.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> >
> >>Matthew Ota wrote:
> >>
> >>>Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Dear Friends,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>(snip)
> >>>
> >>>That is one impressive sequence you have shot there.
> >>
> >>Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I wish many things were different
> >>about this particular event such as a red planet with a much larger
> >>apparent diameter, a moon not so close to the horizon etc but I am quite
> >>happy with the net result.
> >>
> >>
> >>>But I am in total
> >>>awe of you analemma images, a type of astroimage that few have the time
> >>>or patience to take.
> >>
> >>Unfortunately my final analemma is being extremely difficult. It is now
> >>into its sixth annual attempt and I am keeping my fingers crossed it
> >>comes to a successful end this year.
> >>
> >>Anthony.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Matthew Ota
> >>>
> >
> >
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 13:35:14
From: Nicolas Ramage
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Keeping making fools of yourselves with those wonderful
> images based on clocks,real astronomy makes room for
> the emergence of clocks from clearcut principles
> that you have yet to find.
Dude, who pissed you off that much to write all that weird, arrogant and
wrong stuff?
See you in another life brother,
Nic.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 18:53:15
From: Andy Guthrie
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Nicolas Ramage wrote:
> "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Keeping making fools of yourselves with those wonderful
>> images based on clocks,real astronomy makes room for
>> the emergence of clocks from clearcut principles
>> that you have yet to find.
>
> Dude, who pissed you off that much to write all that weird, arrogant and
> wrong stuff?
>
> See you in another life brother,
> Nic.
>
Why, you been a naughty boy in this one ?
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:08:49
From: Nicolas Ramage
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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"Andy Guthrie" <atg99999nospam@hotmail.comx > wrote:
>> Nicolas Ramage wrote:
>> See you in another life brother,
>> Nic.
>>
> Why, you been a naughty boy in this one ?
Yeeeeessssssss *takesthatnaughtylook*
No, just another way of saying *plonk* in this case and stating to be a
Desmond fan.
Nic.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 03:33:54
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
|
The analemma is worthless junk that emerged in the late 17th/early 18th
century.Whereas the reference for natural noon is always the same on a
sundial and from that reference,clock noon is derived from the Equation
of Time correction,there is absolutely no grounds for using a 24 hour
clock to gauge the position of the Sun.It is just a silly,stupid
nuisance perpetuated by astrophotographers who know no better.
In order to keep axial orientation fixed to the celestial sphere to
justify the existence of the Ra/Dec system,the Sun is allowed to drift
against the Equator,hence the analemma.
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
Whereas the astronomical wisdom of both sets of astronomers;
pre-Copernican and heliocentric,was to derive the 24 hour day from the
natural noon reference,correct to the 24 hour day (pre-Copernican) and
adapt it to the heliocentric principle of indpendent axial rotation
without any need for an external reference (heliocentric)..
The late 17th century guys such as Flamsteed introduced two external
references for axial rotation where none existed before and
unfortunately,while everyone uses the original Equation of Time
system,astrophotographers and theorists talking junk promote the
festering imposter.
Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> Matthew Ota wrote:
> > Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> >
> >>Dear Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > That is one impressive sequence you have shot there.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I wish many things were different
> about this particular event such as a red planet with a much larger
> apparent diameter, a moon not so close to the horizon etc but I am quite
> happy with the net result.
>
> > But I am in total
> > awe of you analemma images, a type of astroimage that few have the time
> > or patience to take.
>
> Unfortunately my final analemma is being extremely difficult. It is now
> into its sixth annual attempt and I am keeping my fingers crossed it
> comes to a successful end this year.
>
> Anthony.
>
> >
> > Matthew Ota
> >
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:25:18
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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Gerald,
Any mumbo-jumbo you can provide on a lunar analemma would be of interest
since this is something I would like to pursue as well.
Anthony.
oriel36 wrote:
> The analemma is worthless junk that emerged in the late 17th/early 18th
> century.Whereas the reference for natural noon is always the same on a
> sundial and from that reference,clock noon is derived from the Equation
> of Time correction,there is absolutely no grounds for using a 24 hour
> clock to gauge the position of the Sun.It is just a silly,stupid
> nuisance perpetuated by astrophotographers who know no better.
>
> In order to keep axial orientation fixed to the celestial sphere to
> justify the existence of the Ra/Dec system,the Sun is allowed to drift
> against the Equator,hence the analemma.
>
> http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
>
>
> Whereas the astronomical wisdom of both sets of astronomers;
> pre-Copernican and heliocentric,was to derive the 24 hour day from the
> natural noon reference,correct to the 24 hour day (pre-Copernican) and
> adapt it to the heliocentric principle of indpendent axial rotation
> without any need for an external reference (heliocentric)..
>
> The late 17th century guys such as Flamsteed introduced two external
> references for axial rotation where none existed before and
> unfortunately,while everyone uses the original Equation of Time
> system,astrophotographers and theorists talking junk promote the
> festering imposter.
>
>
>
> Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
>
>>Matthew Ota wrote:
>>
>>>Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>>That is one impressive sequence you have shot there.
>>
>>Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I wish many things were different
>>about this particular event such as a red planet with a much larger
>>apparent diameter, a moon not so close to the horizon etc but I am quite
>>happy with the net result.
>>
>>
>>>But I am in total
>>>awe of you analemma images, a type of astroimage that few have the time
>>>or patience to take.
>>
>>Unfortunately my final analemma is being extremely difficult. It is now
>>into its sixth annual attempt and I am keeping my fingers crossed it
>>comes to a successful end this year.
>>
>>Anthony.
>>
>>
>>>Matthew Ota
>>>
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:06:24
From: Pete Lawrence
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
|
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:18 +0300, Anthony Ayiomamitis
<anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr > wrote:
>Gerald,
>
>Any mumbo-jumbo you can provide on a lunar analemma would be of interest
>since this is something I would like to pursue as well.
>
>Anthony.
Hi Anthony,
When Oriel36 is discussing the analemma, he doesn't like being called
Gerald, he prefers Emma.
--
Pete
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 17:40:13
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
|
Pete Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:18 +0300, Anthony Ayiomamitis
> <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote:
>
>
>>Gerald,
>>
>>Any mumbo-jumbo you can provide on a lunar analemma would be of interest
>>since this is something I would like to pursue as well.
>>
>>Anthony.
>
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> When Oriel36 is discussing the analemma, he doesn't like being called
> Gerald, he prefers Emma.
Is he anal about it as well? LOL!
Anthony.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:48:34
From: TBerk
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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I misread your Subject Line as "Oscillation of Mars" so I was reading
the message to find out how much Mars occilates. ;])
I really like seeing people posting on topic posts here, keep up the
good work.
btw- your web page loaded up really fast, good work there also.
TBerk
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Date: 29 Jul 2006 09:16:21
From: Jonathan Silverlight
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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In message <1154123314.184777.280790@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
TBerk <bayareaberk@yahoo.com > writes
>
>
>I misread your Subject Line as "Oscillation of Mars" so I was reading
>the message to find out how much Mars occilates. ;])
>
>
Not osculation? (Sorry - couldn't resist it! But it gives me another
reason to add my congratulations).
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 18:40:31
From: Free Dom
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
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?
"Jonathan Silverlight" <jsilverlight@spam.merseia.fsnet.co.uk.invalid > a
écrit dans le message de news: muwZlldMXpyEFwNd@ntlworld.com...
> In message <1154123314.184777.280790@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, TBerk
> <bayareaberk@yahoo.com> writes
>>
>>
>>I misread your Subject Line as "Oscillation of Mars" so I was reading
>>the message to find out how much Mars occilates. ;])
>>
>>
>
> Not osculation? (Sorry - couldn't resist it! But it gives me another
> reason to add my congratulations).
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 21:52:48
From: Jonathan Silverlight
Subject: Re: Occultation of Mars
|
In message <44f1cb14$0$25912$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr >, Free Dom
<Adresse.Bidon@sorry.fr > writes
>?
>"Jonathan Silverlight" <jsilverlight@spam.merseia.fsnet.co.uk.invalid> a
>écrit dans le message de news: muwZlldMXpyEFwNd@ntlworld.com...
>> In message <1154123314.184777.280790@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, TBerk
>> <bayareaberk@yahoo.com> writes
>>>
>>>
>>>I misread your Subject Line as "Oscillation of Mars" so I was reading
>>>the message to find out how much Mars occilates. ;])
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not osculation? (Sorry - couldn't resist it! But it gives me another
>> reason to add my congratulations).
>
Kissing :-) (though it also has an astronomical meaning which is almost
relevant !)
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