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Date: 11 Sep 2006 18:13:30
From: Gareth Slee
Subject: OT: September 11th 2001
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Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day.
From one of your friends in the UK...
http://www.americathebrave.com/
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Gareth Slee
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:11:50
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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Gareth,
I remember your touching tribute of five years ago very well. Thanks for
posting it and the link again. I've avoiding the dramas "based on" the
events of that day (including "creative license"), political speeches and
other "remembrances" that are taking place here all day. But I was once
again moved by your heartfelt tribute and glad for a chance to recall those
we lost and the emotions we felt without a commercial or political sponsor.
Many, many thanks.
Mike Simmons
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:54:00
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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Gareth
Thank You.
It has taken me about 20 minutes to send this. Sorry I missed it on
the first pass. Glad isn't the right word, ........... But Glad I caught it
the second time around.
Again Thank You.
Crazy Ed
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 15:43:14
From: George
Subject: Re: September 11th 2001
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"Gareth Slee" <gax.slee@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:1hliihd.19v5gghdwuyr9N%gax.slee@ntlworld.com...
> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day.
>
> From one of your friends in the UK...
> http://www.americathebrave.com/
>
> --
> Gareth Slee
Thanks for that, Gareth. It is good to know that people still care.
George
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 14:57:26
From: Davoud
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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Gareth Slee wrote:
> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day...
Absolutely. But brave firefighters, policemen, ambulance crews, and
other emergency responders put their lives on the line -- and lose
their lives -- every day. But that certain political party is unable to
milk their deaths for political and financial gain as it can the 9/11
tragedy.
"Fighting" terrorism is, after all, big business -- the new Cold War
that the far right so desperately needed, and the political party to
which I refer is owned by big business. As long as their scare tactics
work, gullible voters will give them carte blanche to spend trillions
on this minor* threat to enrich themselves and their cronies.
Davoud
* In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
threats!?
--
usenet *at* davidillig *dawt* com
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 15:49:07
From: George
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Davoud" <see@below.net > wrote in message
news:110920061457264813%see@below.net...
> Gareth Slee wrote:
>
>> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
>> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day...
>
> Absolutely. But brave firefighters, policemen, ambulance crews, and
> other emergency responders put their lives on the line -- and lose
> their lives -- every day. But that certain political party is unable to
> milk their deaths for political and financial gain as it can the 9/11
> tragedy.
>
> "Fighting" terrorism is, after all, big business -- the new Cold War
> that the far right so desperately needed, and the political party to
> which I refer is owned by big business. As long as their scare tactics
> work, gullible voters will give them carte blanche to spend trillions
> on this minor* threat to enrich themselves and their cronies.
>
> Davoud
>
> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
> threats!?
>
> --
> usenet *at* davidillig *dawt* com
Umm, excuse me, but it appears that Gareth's tribute was heartfelt, while
you've used those deaths to make a political statement. This tribute is
about the people who died on 9/11, not about your fucking political
opinions.
George
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 01:05:35
From: Wally
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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George wrote:
> "Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote in message
> news:110920061457264813%see@below.net...
> > Gareth Slee wrote:
> >
> >> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
> >> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day...
> >
> > Absolutely. But brave firefighters, policemen, ambulance crews, and
> > other emergency responders put their lives on the line -- and lose
> > their lives -- every day. But that certain political party is unable to
> > milk their deaths for political and financial gain as it can the 9/11
> > tragedy.
> >
> > "Fighting" terrorism is, after all, big business -- the new Cold War
> > that the far right so desperately needed, and the political party to
> > which I refer is owned by big business. As long as their scare tactics
> > work, gullible voters will give them carte blanche to spend trillions
> > on this minor* threat to enrich themselves and their cronies.
> >
> > Davoud
> >
> > * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
> > 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
> > twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
> > threats!?
> >
> > --
> > usenet *at* davidillig *dawt* com
>
> Umm, excuse me, but it appears that Gareth's tribute was heartfelt, while
> you've used those deaths to make a political statement. This tribute is
> about the people who died on 9/11, not about your fucking political
> opinions.
>
> George
You will have to forgive him. He was injured at Valley Forge.
.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 01:46:26
From: George
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Wally" <woodfield@ai5.net > wrote in message
news:45079FAF.4A739B85@ai5.net...
>
>
> George wrote:
>
>> "Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote in message
>> news:110920061457264813%see@below.net...
>> > Gareth Slee wrote:
>> >
>> >> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I
>> >> still
>> >> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day...
>> >
>> > Absolutely. But brave firefighters, policemen, ambulance crews, and
>> > other emergency responders put their lives on the line -- and lose
>> > their lives -- every day. But that certain political party is unable
>> > to
>> > milk their deaths for political and financial gain as it can the 9/11
>> > tragedy.
>> >
>> > "Fighting" terrorism is, after all, big business -- the new Cold War
>> > that the far right so desperately needed, and the political party to
>> > which I refer is owned by big business. As long as their scare tactics
>> > work, gullible voters will give them carte blanche to spend trillions
>> > on this minor* threat to enrich themselves and their cronies.
>> >
>> > Davoud
>> >
>> > * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>> > 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>> > twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>> > threats!?
>> >
>> > --
>> > usenet *at* davidillig *dawt* com
>>
>> Umm, excuse me, but it appears that Gareth's tribute was heartfelt,
>> while
>> you've used those deaths to make a political statement. This tribute is
>> about the people who died on 9/11, not about your fucking political
>> opinions.
>>
>> George
>
> You will have to forgive him. He was injured at Valley Forge.
> .
What happened? Did his mom drop him on his head?
George
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:08:12
From: Gareth Slee
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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Davoud <see@below.net > wrote:
> Absolutely. But brave firefighters, policemen, ambulance crews, and
> other emergency responders put their lives on the line -- and lose
> their lives -- every day. But that certain political party is unable to
> milk their deaths for political and financial gain as it can the 9/11
> tragedy.
I have my political views on the subject I can assure you, but this
isn't the place for them.
My tribute was just my way of trying to sympathise with those poor guys
plights, nothing more...
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Gareth Slee
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:01:16
From: Joe D
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Davoud" <see@below.net > wrote:
>
> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
> threats!?
Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable. Each of the WTC
deaths were labeled as homicide. Murder is generally not avoidable,
unless you spend money to prevent it. Not spending money fighting
terrorism is like not spending money on law enforcement in general.
Imagine the number of deaths if murderers could kill people without
fear of being caught...
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 15:43:31
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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In article <MmyOg.24250$7D6.17309@newsfe2-win.ntli.net >,
Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com > wrote:
>
>"Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote:
>>
>> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>> threats!?
>
>Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable.
If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>Each of the WTC
>deaths were labeled as homicide. Murder is generally not avoidable,
>unless you spend money to prevent it. Not spending money fighting
>terrorism is like not spending money on law enforcement in general.
>Imagine the number of deaths if murderers could kill people without
>fear of being caught...
Perhaps 40,000 to 400,000 per year? I.e. the number which now is
the de facto accepted for car and tobacco related deaths.... no,
I'm not saying we should accept such numbers --- neither for terrorist
nor for car accident or tobacco related deaths. But it is interesting
that 400,000 deaths/year due to terrorism would be considered a
catastrophe, while 400,000 deaths/year due to tobacco is considered
quite acceptable....
Also, do read: http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0609.html#1
--
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 07:50:59
From: Joe D
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se > wrote:
> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
There is already lots of focus on avoiding them. Think of all the money
car manufacturers spend on safety, how much the government spends on
anti-smoking campaigns, etc.
> But it is interesting that 400,000 deaths/year due to terrorism would be
> considered a catastrophe, while 400,000 deaths/year due to tobacco is
> considered quite acceptable....
Yes, that is exactly my point. There is a world of difference between
accidental deaths (misadventure) and deliberate, premeditated killings.
Tobacco users have a choice. They know that their habit can kill them.
Some may even argue that they deserve to die, that they are effectively
guilty of killing themselves. The tragedy of someone killed in a terrorist
attack is that they lost their life through no fault of their own.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 09:12:35
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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In article <D1OOg.2393$2g5.190@newsfe7-win.ntli.net >,
Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com > wrote:
>
>"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote:
>
>> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>
>There is already lots of focus on avoiding them. Think of all the money
>car manufacturers spend on safety, how much the government spends on
>anti-smoking campaigns, etc.
Sweden, with 9 million people, have some 550 yearly deaths due to car
accidents - that's some 60 yearly deaths per million inhabitants.
The US, with 300 million people, have some 40,000 yearly deaths due to car
accidents - that's some 130 yearly deaths per million inhabitants.
You can do better than that, can't you?
>> But it is interesting that 400,000 deaths/year due to terrorism would be
>> considered a catastrophe, while 400,000 deaths/year due to tobacco is
>> considered quite acceptable....
>
>Yes, that is exactly my point. There is a world of difference between
>accidental deaths (misadventure) and deliberate, premeditated killings.
>Tobacco users have a choice. They know that their habit can kill them.
>Some may even argue that they deserve to die, that they are effectively
>guilty of killing themselves.
Do you think commercials for tobacco should be allowed or not? They
certainly do entice more people to become smokers (if not, there would
be absolutely no point in advertising for tobacco, and then such
commercials would vanish by itself - but they don't).
> The tragedy of someone killed in a terrorist attack is that they lost
> their life through no fault of their own.
True -- but the same can be said about those who e.g. are run over by drunk
drivers and die: they too lost their life through no fault of their own.
And there are definitely more people killed by drunk drivers than by
terrorist - yet we see no "war on drunk driving", and no restrictions
in personal freedom due to the fight against drunk drivers. Those who
drive drunk are caught and punshed - after having done their damage - and
the rest of us will just have to live with the risk of someday encountering
a drunk driver which haven't yet been caught.
As a matter of fact, most people who die lose their life through no fault
of their own - the majority die from some kind of disease (we can here
exclude those who die at old age - sooner or later we must all die).
Of all those who die before old age, and of no fault of their own, only
a small minority die from terrorist attacks.
Again, do read: http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0609.html#1
and put the various risks of being injured or killed in different ways
in their right proportion.
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 09:04:20
From: William Hamblen
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:12:35 GMT, pausch@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter)
wrote:
>Sweden, with 9 million people, have some 550 yearly deaths due to car
>accidents - that's some 60 yearly deaths per million inhabitants.
>
>The US, with 300 million people, have some 40,000 yearly deaths due to car
>accidents - that's some 130 yearly deaths per million inhabitants.
The more relevant statistic would be deaths per passenger-kilometer.
I found deaths per vehicle-kilometer at
http://cemt.org/IRTAD/IRTADPUBLIC/we2.html
but not deaths per passenger-kilometer. The reason could be that
vehicle load factors are not unifomly reported.
Bud
--
The night is just the shadow of the Earth.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 22:34:59
From: George
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Joe D" <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:D1OOg.2393$2g5.190@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>
> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote:
>
>> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>
> There is already lots of focus on avoiding them. Think of all the money
> car manufacturers spend on safety, how much the government spends on
> anti-smoking campaigns, etc.
>
>> But it is interesting that 400,000 deaths/year due to terrorism would be
>> considered a catastrophe, while 400,000 deaths/year due to tobacco is
>> considered quite acceptable....
>
> Yes, that is exactly my point. There is a world of difference between
> accidental deaths (misadventure) and deliberate, premeditated killings.
> Tobacco users have a choice. They know that their habit can kill them.
> Some may even argue that they deserve to die, that they are effectively
> guilty of killing themselves. The tragedy of someone killed in a
> terrorist
> attack is that they lost their life through no fault of their own.
If you've ever been a habitual smoker, then you know how addictive it is,
and how difficult it is to quit. It's easy to assume that smokers have a
choice, and are therefore to blame, when the fact is that physiologically,
many may not have that choice. It is extremely difficult to change habits
that people develop over decades. Add the physiological addiction to that
equation, and you have a trap that becomes nearly impossible for many to
escape.
George
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 01:49:00
From: George
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se > wrote in message
news:eeegh6$1rj8$1@merope.saaf.se...
> In article <MmyOg.24250$7D6.17309@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
> Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>>> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>>> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>>> threats!?
>>
>>Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable.
>
> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
Air bags, seat belts, anti-lock brakes, etc, etc, etc, and we still have a
lot of automobile deaths. No amount of technology is going to take the
stupid out of the driver.
George
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 08:13:40
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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In article <CYydnabKgO3XDZbYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@insightbb.com >,
George <george@yourservice.com > wrote:
> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
> news:eeegh6$1rj8$1@merope.saaf.se...
>> In article <MmyOg.24250$7D6.17309@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
>> Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>>>> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>>>> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>>>> threats!?
>>>
>>>Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable.
>>
>> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>
> Air bags, seat belts, anti-lock brakes, etc, etc, etc, and we still have a
> lot of automobile deaths. No amount of technology is going to take the
> stupid out of the driver.
>
> George
Sweden, with a population of 9 million, has some 550 deaths in car
accidents yearly -- that's some 60 yearly deaths per million
inhabitants.
The US, with a population of 300 million, has some 40,000 deaths in
car accidents yearly -- that's some 130 yearly deaths per million
inhabitants.
You can do better than that, can't you?
# No amount of technology is going to take the stupid out of the driver.
Of course the situation cannot be solved only with technology. If
you can't take the stupid out of the driver, you must take the stupid
driver out of the car - right? You can also make public transportation
a more attractive alternative - if people choose to make fewer car rides,
there will be fewer accidents.
--
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 22:30:02
From: George
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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"Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se > wrote in message
news:eegb97$2nt2$1@merope.saaf.se...
> In article <CYydnabKgO3XDZbYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@insightbb.com>,
> George <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
>
>> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
>> news:eeegh6$1rj8$1@merope.saaf.se...
>>> In article <MmyOg.24250$7D6.17309@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
>>> Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>>>>> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>>>>> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>>>>> threats!?
>>>>
>>>>Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable.
>>>
>>> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>>
>> Air bags, seat belts, anti-lock brakes, etc, etc, etc, and we still have
>> a
>> lot of automobile deaths. No amount of technology is going to take the
>> stupid out of the driver.
>>
>> George
>
> Sweden, with a population of 9 million, has some 550 deaths in car
> accidents yearly -- that's some 60 yearly deaths per million
> inhabitants.
>
> The US, with a population of 300 million, has some 40,000 deaths in
> car accidents yearly -- that's some 130 yearly deaths per million
> inhabitants.
>
> You can do better than that, can't you?
Surely we can. Having said that, we have tens of thousands of miles more
roads than Sweden, and millions more people driving on them.
>
> # No amount of technology is going to take the stupid out of the driver.
>
> Of course the situation cannot be solved only with technology. If
> you can't take the stupid out of the driver, you must take the stupid
> driver out of the car - right? You can also make public transportation
> a more attractive alternative - if people choose to make fewer car rides,
> there will be fewer accidents.
I can't argue with that.
George
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 20:44:58
From: Pat O'Connell
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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George wrote:
> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
> news:eegb97$2nt2$1@merope.saaf.se...
>> In article <CYydnabKgO3XDZbYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@insightbb.com>,
>> George <george@yourservice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul Schlyter" <pausch@saaf.se> wrote in message
>>> news:eeegh6$1rj8$1@merope.saaf.se...
>>>> In article <MmyOg.24250$7D6.17309@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
>>>> Joe D <j.daviesnospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Davoud" <see@below.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * In the USA: automobile accidents: circa 40,000 deaths per year (a
>>>>>> 9/11 every month); tobacco: 250,000 to 400,000 deaths per year (9/11
>>>>>> twice each week.) Where's the seven-trillion-dollar war on these
>>>>>> threats!?
>>>>>
>>>>>Those deaths were accidental and mostly avoidable.
>>>>
>>>> If they're avoidable, why not focus on actually avoiding them?
>>>
>>>...No amount of technology is going to take the
>>> stupid out of the driver.
>>>
>> Sweden, with a population of 9 million, has some 550 deaths in car
>> accidents yearly -- that's some 60 yearly deaths per million
>> inhabitants.
>>
>> The US, with a population of 300 million, has some 40,000 deaths in
>> car accidents yearly -- that's some 130 yearly deaths per million
>> inhabitants.
>>
>> You can do better than that, can't you?
>
> Surely we can. Having said that, we have tens of thousands of miles more
> roads than Sweden, and millions more people driving on them.
>
...
>> Of course the situation cannot be solved only with technology. If
>> you can't take the stupid out of the driver, you must take the stupid
>> driver out of the car - right? You can also make public transportation
>> a more attractive alternative - if people choose to make fewer car rides,
>> there will be fewer accidents.
>
> I can't argue with that.
Perhaps in parts of the East people have enough mass transit options
that they don't have to drive as much. If they want to leave town to
places where there is no mass transit (most of the US outside of bigger
cities), the only alternatives are cars/trucks.
How do most people reading this newsgroup get to a dark site, which is
almost always outside a city/town? They either live there, or they drive.
--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:18:58
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: September 11th 2001
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Amen.
"Gareth Slee" <gax.slee@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:1hliihd.19v5gghdwuyr9N%gax.slee@ntlworld.com...
> Seriously OT and the world has moved in different directions but I still
> stand by my tribute to the New York firefighters that day.
>
> From one of your friends in the UK...
> http://www.americathebrave.com/
>
> --
> Gareth Slee
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 04:09:16
From: astronut
Subject: Re: OT: September 11th 2001
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America needs to wake up and see thru the glossed over bullshit.
Here's an email I have recently sent to a friend who is a fire fighter.
If you haven't heard about this yet, its no surprise, mainstream media
is not on our side:
"There were many fire/rescue/police/unselfish volunteers who were there
that day on 9/11, that are now speaking out about this. Hopefully they
will get there point across before they all die from the poisons in the
dust which included 400,000 lbs of lead, 200,000 lbs of asbestos,
several thousand pounds of mercury and other dangerous chemicals,
including radio active materials that can't be explained. The ph level
of the dust has been tested at ph 12, equivalent to Draino. If you
know nothing about this, it's because mainstream media is avoiding the
whole story since it is extremely damaging to the government. There is
now evidence that the EPA warned the Bush administration about high
toxic levels of these elements on Sept 12th, 2001 and urged warning the
rescuers to which the Bush administration forced them to issue
statements stating that it was safe to carry on the cleanup and rescue
efforts. When the EPA asked to warn them to wear dust masks, the Bush
administration responded "No, we don't want to scare anyone". "
You idiots that keep writing off the evidence as "political opinion",
or "negative Democrat campaining" fail to recognize that this is a
fight to vindicate the lives that were lost on 9/11, the lives that
have been lost since, and the lives that will be lost if we don't put
our political differences aside and recognize the true crimes against
humanity that have been masked by the "noble" intention of spreading
democracy. WAKE UP AMERICA, IF WE DON"T BEFORE THE REST OF THE WORLD
DOES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE THAN A FEW TERRORISTS TO DEAL
WITH.
I dare anyone to dispute this time line page which is based solely on
validated info and evidence, http://www.911timeline.net/
Larry
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