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Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:20:47
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
NASA Watch covered it too.
Michael Griffin goes fascist.
NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 19:32:51
From: NobodyYouKnow
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
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> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
> NASA Watch covered it too.
>
> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>
> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
You seem confused about the terms you are using.
Democracy: The public is encouraged to debate, comment and protest public
policy and government programs.
Fascism: The public is denied the right to debate, comment and protest
public policy and govenrmetn programs.
As you are commenting on NASA, it cannot be a 'Fascist organisation' so you
are exposed as an idiot.
Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 23:59:21
From: Rand Simberg
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:32:51 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"NobodyYouKnow" <TheVoiceOfReason@nowhere.ino > made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>
>"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>
>You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>
>Democracy: The public is encouraged to debate, comment and protest public
>policy and government programs.
>Fascism: The public is denied the right to debate, comment and protest
>public policy and govenrmetn programs.
>
>As you are commenting on NASA, it cannot be a 'Fascist organisation' so you
>are exposed as an idiot.
>
>Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
Years too late for that. Just killfile the creature, as the rest of
us have.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 18:50:33
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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NobodyYouKnow wrote:
> "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
> news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga...
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>
>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>
>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>
>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>
>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>
> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
NASA is a bureaucratic organization in an administration beholden to
fascist concepts, particularly beholden to corporations such as ATK,
which has perverted some engineering decisions, clearly NASA is fascist.
In particular, the CEV and Arse I are fundamentally flawed given the
technological resources at their disposal, going forward with these
programs, VSE and ESAS, CEV and Arse I, would be almost irrational.
We need to shit can these people as soon as possible, early November.
Lautenberg and Griffin have literally poisoned science at NOAA and NASA.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 02:37:34
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
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> NASA is a bureaucratic organization in an administration beholden to
> fascist concepts, particularly beholden to corporations such as ATK,
> which has perverted some engineering decisions, clearly NASA is fascist.
In other dyslexic words, I've been saying the very same things for
nearly 7 years and counting. Though how many decades have you been at
it?
> In particular, the CEV and Arse I are fundamentally flawed given the
> technological resources at their disposal, going forward with these
> programs, VSE and ESAS, CEV and Arse I, would be almost irrational.
If you're running with the one and only ultimate ruse/sting of the
century, what's there to lose or rather, so what's the difference?
> We need to shit can these people as soon as possible, early November.
At best we can hope for is an outrageously spendy buy-out (AKA early
retirement with full benefits, plus hazard bonus)
> Lautenberg and Griffin have literally poisoned science at NOAA and NASA.
But that was their jobs, especially under the prime leadership of a
mostly Jewish puppet as being our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).
How about a few of these Usenet folks that supposedly are so gosh darn
all-knowing smart and connected taking some direct physical action,
rather than offering MOS wussy naysay words?
I guess being a brown-nosed fascist minion to the MI/NSA~NASA Third
Reich has it's benefits and perks, same as it did for those
collaborating Jews that are not going down without a bloody fight, even
if it means exterminating another good portion of their own kind.
-
Brad Guth
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:41:59
From: NobodyYouKnow
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
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> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
> > "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
> > news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga...
> >> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
> >>
> >> NASA Watch covered it too.
> >>
> >> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
> >>
> >> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
> >>
> >> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
> >>
> >> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
> >
> > You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>
> > Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
>
> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
So you consider misusing the menaing of words to be the point of this
thread? Nuff said.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 08:45:11
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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NobodyYouKnow wrote:
> "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
> news:qYqHg.600$ch7.224@newsfe06.lga...
>> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>>> "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
>>> news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga...
>>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>>>
>>>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>>>
>>>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>>>
>>>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>>>
>>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
>
> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
> thread? Nuff said.
I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 19:32:31
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
>>
>>
>> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
>> thread? Nuff said.
>
>
> I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
This is about definitions, not spelling...
--
Frank
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 19:30:56
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>
>> "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
>> news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga...
>>
>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>>
>>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>>
>>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>>
>>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>>
>>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>>
>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>>
>>
>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>
>
>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
>
>
> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
But outrageous claims are okay?
Dictionaries allow us to make sure we both mean the same thing, when
we use the same word. Some of use like to use logic occasionally.
> NASA is a bureaucratic organization in an administration beholden to
> fascist concepts, particularly beholden to corporations such as ATK,
> which has perverted some engineering decisions, clearly NASA is fascist.
NASA has, to a large extent, become a hidebound bureauccracy that
acts more to protect it's own existence and turf, than to do what it
really should be doing. This is sad, nut not a new concept.
And it's not the same as facism. You need to understand the
difference, if you want to change anything.
> In particular, the CEV and Arse I are fundamentally flawed given the
> technological resources at their disposal, going forward with these
> programs, VSE and ESAS, CEV and Arse I, would be almost irrational.
>
> We need to shit can these people as soon as possible, early November.
We don't vote directly on NASA programs and management. And the
people who *do* influence that (Congeess and the President), depending
on the political philosophy of the next Administration, will either
continue the current programs (perhaps with some shuffling or budget
downsizing) or end the programs completely.
Which is not the same as doing real development to create a
sustainable human presence in space, of the sort that Jonathan Goff has
recently written about, and what NASA *should* be advancing.
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/007598.html
http://www.hobbyspace.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=2180
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/007615.html
'Business-as-usual' or hysterical 'throwing-the-bastards-out' won't
steer us in the above directions.
Nor will it get us more 'science.' (for those that think that's all
space is for)
> Lautenberg and Griffin have literally poisoned science at NOAA and NASA.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>
--
Frank
You know what to remove to reply...
Check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/stardolphin1/link2.htm
"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 06:20:14
From: Pat Flannery
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>
>Democracy: The public is encouraged to debate, comment and protest public
>policy and government programs.
>Fascism: The public is denied the right to debate, comment and protest
>public policy and govenrmetn programs.
>
>
>
Capitalism- Your government builds a space station, but abandons it
after three crews visit, so they can later sell you a new one.
Communism- Your government builds a space station, but later abandons it
so that they can sell the capitalists a new one.
Democracy- Several governments build half a space station, but can't
agree on just what to do about the other half.
Fascism- Your government builds a space station, and uses it to destroy
Alderaan. ;-)
Pat
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:10:34
From: NobodyYouKnow
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com > wrote in message
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>
>
> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>
> >You seem confused about the terms you are using.
> >
> >Democracy: The public is encouraged to debate, comment and protest public
> >policy and government programs.
> >Fascism: The public is denied the right to debate, comment and
protest
> >public policy and govenrmetn programs.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Capitalism- Your government builds a space station, but abandons it
> after three crews visit, so they can later sell you a new one.
> Communism- Your government builds a space station, but later abandons it
> so that they can sell the capitalists a new one.
> Democracy- Several governments build half a space station, but can't
> agree on just what to do about the other half.
> Fascism- Your government builds a space station, and uses it to destroy
> Alderaan. ;-)
LOL. Good, and you point out the inherent absurdity of almost all politics
regardless of organisation. What can I say? Even Democracy, while it
encourages listening to the public does not force the 'representatives' to
do so. In order to have that, there has to be provisions for a "recall" as a
penalty for egregious "faithless" behavoir, which is rare. Heck, it is rare
for the public to even care what the idiot they elected is doing!
But you confuse and economic definition ( Capitalism ) with three political
definiitions. To be fair, Capitalism can *generate* an 'Aristocracy of
Wealth" aka Plutocracy such as in the U.S. But it is primarly an economic
defiition ( how do you distribute money in the economy) that opposes
Socialism ( fiat distribution ). Some Capitalism usually exists in a
Socialism ( read up on the 'underground economy of Russia), and visa versa
(Corporate welfare for example), of course. It is so hard to keep people
totally in line....
US style Republics ( *: technically a 'limited franchise' where the rules
favor the aristocracy over the general public and most "elections' are for
show and not binding on the States) should be labelled as such as care
should be taken to distinguish the older U.S. Plutocracy with the rising of
Fascism today..
(*) Jefferson says he was worried about Democracy becoming a "rule of the
mob" but really he just bought the philosphies of Rousseau ( who promoted
the Colonial Aristocracy as the "natural superior" and theefore was "his
kind of people"). This resulted in the slavery of the next century and could
be claimed to have generated the eugenics of the Nazi era as Hitler was
heavily backed by U.S. industrialists as a 'bulkward' aginst the demands of
working people
i..e The desperate depression era voters were turning to
socialism/communism as a way to bring down the elite that were keeping them
in the poverty of the depression by their 'hoarding of wealth'. The
industrialists refusal to pay fair wages kept everyone scraping the bottom
and unable to generate a retail economy. which didn't end until WW2 when the
lack of workers to fill the demands of the war forced a higher wage, leading
to the post war economic revival.
>
>
> Pat
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 16:10:13
From: Tim Killian
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
> NASA Watch covered it too.
>
> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>
> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
LOL! - The acronym translation "Not A Space Agency" Is probably as close
to the truth as we can get. As long as NASA exists in its present form,
America will never return to the Moon, and commercial space access will
be severely limited.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 19:16:00
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Tim Killian wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>
>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>
>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>
>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>
>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>
>
>
> LOL! - The acronym translation "Not A Space Agency" Is probably as close
> to the truth as we can get. As long as NASA exists in its present form,
> America will never return to the Moon, and commercial space access will
> be severely limited.
Hardly. But it may mean thst those things won't *come* from NASA, as
things are.
--
Frank
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"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 14:19:33
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Frank Glover wrote:
> Tim Killian wrote:
>
>> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>
>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>>
>>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>>
>>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>>
>>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>>
>>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>>
>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL! - The acronym translation "Not A Space Agency" Is probably as
>> close to the truth as we can get. As long as NASA exists in its
>> present form, America will never return to the Moon, and commercial
>> space access will be severely limited.
>
> Hardly. But it may mean thst those things won't *come* from NASA, as
> things are.
Another American in denial. You are an American, no?
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:07:09
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> Frank Glover wrote:
>
>> Tim Killian wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>>>
>>>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>>>
>>>> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>>>>
>>>> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>>>>
>>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! - The acronym translation "Not A Space Agency" Is probably as
>>> close to the truth as we can get. As long as NASA exists in its
>>> present form, America will never return to the Moon, and commercial
>>> space access will be severely limited.
>>
>>
>> Hardly. But it may mean thst those things won't *come* from NASA,
>> as things are.
>
>
> Another American in denial. You are an American, no?
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
Correct. And I stand by my assertion. We'll get commercial space
access, but it'll be more in *spite* of NASA, rather than *because* of
it. (Though they may climb on the bandwagon at some point. COTS is a
small step in that direction.)
You did understand that to be my point, right?
--
Frank
You know what to remove to reply...
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 20:14:43
From: Paul Winalski
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
with Fascist political philosophy.
-Paul W.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:20:47 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
<cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote:
>http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
>NASA Watch covered it too.
>
>Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
>NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>
>This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>
>http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 16:46:38
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Paul Winalski wrote:
> You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
> nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
> with Fascist political philosophy.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make
constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on
clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of
enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are
persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of
"need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of
torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people
are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate
a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of
government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and
military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost
exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender
roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are
suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the
family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by
the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled
by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and
executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational
tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist
nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to
manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common
from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are
diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business
aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is
the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either
eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to
promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or
even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the
police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are
often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties
in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with
virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are
governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect
their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes
for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even
outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a
complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns
against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of
legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries,
and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their
judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 19:59:24
From: starburst
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> Paul Winalski wrote:
>
>> You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
>> nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
>> with Fascist political philosophy.
>
You really wasted time writing this nonsense out and posting it? You
have too much time on your hands. As the original poster wrote, nothing
Griffen said has anything to do with fascist political philosophy.
Fascism is an elastic term, but has nothing to do with the criteria you
post here, any or all of which could be found in any society with any
governmental system. People might take you more seriously if you made
lucid comments rather than inaccurately assigning the label "fascist" to
all of the ideas you personally dislike. And by the way, this one is
especially egregious:
> 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to
> promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
> It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or
> even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
Many highly visible intellectuals and artists supported fascism as a way
to ensure support for intellectual pursuits and the arts. One of the
most impressive poets of the 20th century, Ezra Pound, fit into this
category. For more on this theme, I'd suggest you take a gander at
anything written by Nietzsche. I'm sure if you ask around you can find
someone to help you with the big words. He predated fascism, but a
number of his ideas were adopted by the philosophical apologists for
fascism, like Heidegger.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 19:39:02
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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starburst wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>> Paul Winalski wrote:
>>
>>> You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
>>> nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
>>> with Fascist political philosophy.
>>
>
> You really wasted time writing this nonsense out and posting it?
No, I didn't do it the NASA way, I did it the modern scientific way.
> You have too much time on your hands.
No, I have limited time and funds, why are you fucking wasting it?
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:20:53
From: Paul Winalski
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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All well and good, but in what way are Michael Griffin's statements
connected to this political philosophy?
Griffin merely stated the facts. NASA is a US government agency.
Congress through legislation sets forth its missions and priorities.
The President and those he delegates, as the executive branch, set
forth the policies and procedures to implement those missions and
priorities.
That is the way things work no matter what the political pphilosophy
of the party currently in power happens to be.
-Paul W.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:46:38 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
<cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote:
>Paul Winalski wrote:
>> You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
>> nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
>> with Fascist political philosophy.
>
>1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make
>constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
>paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on
>clothing and in public displays.
>
>2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of
>enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are
>persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of
>"need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of
>torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
>prisoners, etc.
>
>3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people
>are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate
>a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
>minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
>
>4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
>domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of
>government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and
>military service are glamorized.
>
>5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost
>exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender
>roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are
>suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the
>family institution.
>
>6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by
>the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled
>by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and
>executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
>
>7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational
>tool by the government over the masses.
>
>8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist
>nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to
>manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common
>from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are
>diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
>
>9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business
>aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
>government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
>business/government relationship and power elite.
>
>10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is
>the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either
>eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
>
>11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to
>promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
>It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or
>even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
>
>12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the
>police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are
>often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties
>in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with
>virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
>
>13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are
>governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
>government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect
>their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes
>for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even
>outright stolen by government leaders.
>
>14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a
>complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns
>against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of
>legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries,
>and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their
>judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
>
>http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:28:32
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Paul Winalski wrote:
> All well and good, but in what way are Michael Griffin's statements
> connected to this political philosophy?
>
> Griffin merely stated the facts. NASA is a US government agency.
> Congress through legislation sets forth its missions and priorities.
> The President and those he delegates, as the executive branch, set
> forth the policies and procedures to implement those missions and
> priorities.
>
> That is the way things work no matter what the political pphilosophy
> of the party currently in power happens to be.
Michael Griffin, Conrad Lautenberg and Max Mayfield are directors of
major US scientific institutions enabling and party to a fascist regime.
This is what fascist regimes do, they militarize and destroy science.
We've just discovered the National Weather Service is also involved.
Just take a look at homeland security.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
>>> You should read up on what the term "Fascist" means. There is
>>> nothing in what Michael Griffin said that has anything to do
>>> with Fascist political philosophy.
>> 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make
>> constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
>> paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on
>> clothing and in public displays.
>>
>> 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of
>> enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are
>> persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of
>> "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of
>> torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
>> prisoners, etc.
>>
>> 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people
>> are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate
>> a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
>> minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
>>
>> 4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
>> domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of
>> government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and
>> military service are glamorized.
>>
>> 5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost
>> exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender
>> roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are
>> suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the
>> family institution.
>>
>> 6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by
>> the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled
>> by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and
>> executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
>>
>> 7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational
>> tool by the government over the masses.
>>
>> 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist
>> nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to
>> manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common
>>from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are
>> diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
>>
>> 9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business
>> aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
>> government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
>> business/government relationship and power elite.
>>
>> 10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is
>> the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either
>> eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
>>
>> 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to
>> promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
>> It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or
>> even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
>>
>> 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the
>> police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are
>> often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties
>> in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with
>> virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
>>
>> 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are
>> governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
>> government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect
>> their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes
>> for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even
>> outright stolen by government leaders.
>>
>> 14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a
>> complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns
>> against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of
>> legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries,
>> and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their
>> judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
>>
>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 18:31:29
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
So what's new?
We're headed for the global warming $100/barrel mark and WW-III; so
what's the difference?
Our government lies it's collective incest cloned butt off all the time,
as in always has and always will.
Being honest only means that you're not being a good little status quo
team player. Look at what happened to folks attempting at being honest
to Hitler, Saddam or GW Bush, or even the Pope for that matter, and
don't forget about the likes of what happened to Jesus Christ.
Being the least bit honet is simply downright lethal as all get out.
-
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 19:55:35
From: jacob navia
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
> NASA Watch covered it too.
>
> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>
> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
Fascist?
You just quote Mr Griffin saying that NASA is responsible to the
congress as stated by law...
What is "fascist" about that?
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 17:55:17
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"jacob navia" <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr > wrote in message
news:44ede816$0$27399$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr
> Fascist?
>
> You just quote Mr Griffin saying that NASA is responsible to the
> congress as stated by law...
>
> What is "fascist" about that?
Everything you can possibly imagine is what's "fascist" about that.
When exactly was the last time we had an honest government?
This perfectly truthful topic is hereby officially stalked and summarily
bashed by the following borg collective that's 99.9% of what sucks and
blows the absolute most about this infomercial based brown-nosed Usenet
(the best ever anti-think-tank and/or disinformation cesspool of
humanity).
The remaining contributions as offered by those of us within the 0.1%
minority, of what represents honest folks that are of the few and far
between good guys, apparently don't count because we're simply not good
enough at being liars and arrogant bastards that'll gladly butt-wipe one
another via their brown nose on behalf of MI/NSA~NASA ulterior motives
and hidden agendas. Just like their good old Third Reich days and of
their mutually perpetrated cold-wars, this Usenet from infomercial-hell
is what it is because of the mostly Jewish influence that's hell bent
upon sucking the final spark of life out of mother Earth, even if it
means taking the lives of their own kind.
BTW; my God (aka ET intelligent creator that's quite possibly from the
Sirius solar system or perhaps even from nearby Venus seems perfectly
doable, especially if you're my kind of ET/intelligent designer) can
seriously kick your absolutely wussy terrestrial sequestered God's butt
any day of the week, and then some.
-
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 06:55:20
From:
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> >>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
> >>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
> >> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
> >
> > So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
> > thread? Nuff said.
>
> I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
Shame you didn't read what it *meant* while you were at it. You might
have learned something.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 11:29:50
From: Thomas Lee Elifritz
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>>>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>>>>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
>>>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
>>> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
>>> thread? Nuff said.
>> I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
>
> Shame you didn't read what it *meant* while you were at it. You might
> have learned something.
Only an idiot quotes the dictionary on the usenet.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 23:23:00
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
news:gBFHg.35$md5.26@newsfe02.lga
> Only an idiot quotes the dictionary on the usenet.
But that's about all this anti-think-tank of a Usenet from hell has to
offer.
-
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:44:59
From: rhw007
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"There is no man so blind as one who has made up his mind." Dune
Our America is NOT a 'democracy'...not even a plutocracy or republic
anymore. It is increasingly becoming a quasi-facist state with
'terrorists' as the new 'bogeyman' to instill fear into the populace
and enhance the control of the ruling elite. With controlled and
bought elections, the everage electorate become increasingly powerless.
"When the shepard is a wolf...the flock are incrasingly merely herded
food'" Dune
The American sheeple care more about voting for American Idol than
participating in the real elctions of political power. We don't take a
stand and demand PAPER RECEIPT ballots and sit back and allow our
elections to be stolen from right under our eyes. One who does nothing
when seeing wrongs in front of them is simply asleep with open eyes.
As for 'Apollo on Steroids'...there is ANOTHER ANSWER:
http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/2005/08/area-51-where-are-you.html
We threw away our space heritage. We let them LOOSE the ENTIRE
ORIGINAL television record tapes from ALL the Apollo flights. WHY???
For photographs:
http://www.keithlaney.net/project_free_the_apollo_images.htm
Of the 47,934 total Apollo and support missions photographs,
fewer than 1350 are faithful digital reproductions.
This means that very little over 2% of this photography has ever been
seen by the public.
This is unacceptable.
Yet there is very little outcry amoung the 'space community' for all
these problems and issues. Much of the reason is because if you rock
the boat...you're thrown overboard in this administration especially.
Global Warming is a 'mind trick' yet blocks of ice bigger than Rhode
Island fall into the ocean each year. Stem cells cannot be harvested
because they are 'human beings'. Science has become 'polticized' by
this adminstration more so than at any time in our past. Until we undo
this...we shall be stuck onthis rock called Earth until a T-Rex killer
kills us within the next 25 years. We will never get out and colonize
the solar system under this timetable and this political narrow
viewpoints.
Bob...
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 13:41:24
From: beav
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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On 25 Aug 2006 15:44:59 -0700, "rhw007" <rhw007@twcny.rr.com > wrote:
>
>"There is no man so blind as one who has made up his mind." Dune
>
>Our America is NOT a 'democracy'...not even a plutocracy or republic
>anymore. It is increasingly becoming a quasi-facist state with
>'terrorists' as the new 'bogeyman' to instill fear into the populace
>and enhance the control of the ruling elite. With controlled and
>bought elections, the everage electorate become increasingly powerless.
>
>"When the shepard is a wolf...the flock are incrasingly merely herded
>food'" Dune
>
>The American sheeple care more about voting for American Idol than
>participating in the real elctions of political power. We don't take a
>stand and demand PAPER RECEIPT ballots and sit back and allow our
>elections to be stolen from right under our eyes. One who does nothing
>when seeing wrongs in front of them is simply asleep with open eyes.
>
>As for 'Apollo on Steroids'...there is ANOTHER ANSWER:
>
>http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/2005/08/area-51-where-are-you.html
>
>We threw away our space heritage. We let them LOOSE the ENTIRE
>ORIGINAL television record tapes from ALL the Apollo flights. WHY???
>
>For photographs:
>
>http://www.keithlaney.net/project_free_the_apollo_images.htm
>
>Of the 47,934 total Apollo and support missions photographs,
>fewer than 1350 are faithful digital reproductions.
>This means that very little over 2% of this photography has ever been
>seen by the public.
>This is unacceptable.
>Yet there is very little outcry amoung the 'space community' for all
>these problems and issues. Much of the reason is because if you rock
>the boat...you're thrown overboard in this administration especially.
>Global Warming is a 'mind trick' yet blocks of ice bigger than Rhode
>Island fall into the ocean each year. Stem cells cannot be harvested
>because they are 'human beings'. Science has become 'polticized' by
>this adminstration more so than at any time in our past. Until we undo
>this...we shall be stuck onthis rock called Earth until a T-Rex killer
>kills us within the next 25 years. We will never get out and colonize
>the solar system under this timetable and this political narrow
>viewpoints.
>
>Bob...
a first! a left wing right-wing-nut.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:44:55
From: rhw007
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
|
"There is no man so blind as one who has made up his mind." Dune
Our America is NOT a 'democracy'...not even a plutocracy or republic
anymore. It is increasingly becoming a quasi-facist state with
'terrorists' as the new 'bogeyman' to instill fear into the populace
and enhance the control of the ruling elite. With controlled and
bought elections, the everage electorate become increasingly powerless.
"When the shepard is a wolf...the flock are incrasingly merely herded
food'" Dune
The American sheeple care more about voting for American Idol than
participating in the real elctions of political power. We don't take a
stand and demand PAPER RECEIPT ballots and sit back and allow our
elections to be stolen from right under our eyes. One who does nothing
when seeing wrongs in front of them is simply asleep with open eyes.
As for 'Apollo on Steroids'...there is ANOTHER ANSWER:
http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/2005/08/area-51-where-are-you.html
We threw away our space heritage. We let them LOOSE the ENTIRE
ORIGINAL television record tapes from ALL the Apollo flights. WHY???
For photographs:
http://www.keithlaney.net/project_free_the_apollo_images.htm
Of the 47,934 total Apollo and support missions photographs,
fewer than 1350 are faithful digital reproductions.
This means that very little over 2% of this photography has ever been
seen by the public.
This is unacceptable.
Yet there is very little outcry amoung the 'space community' for all
these problems and issues. Much of the reason is because if you rock
the boat...you're thrown overboard in this administration especially.
Global Warming is a 'mind trick' yet blocks of ice bigger than Rhode
Island fall into the ocean each year. Stem cells cannot be harvested
because they are 'human beings'. Science has become 'polticized' by
this adminstration more so than at any time in our past. Until we undo
this...we shall be stuck onthis rock called Earth until a T-Rex killer
kills us within the next 25 years. We will never get out and colonize
the solar system under this timetable and this political narrow
viewpoints.
Bob...
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 20:17:42
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Another cross posting fool. Why must we have paper votes and kill off some
many more tree's? I voted last time via machine and it worked just fine.
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"rhw007" <rhw007@twcny.rr.com > wrote in message
news:1156545895.366684.280710@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> "There is no man so blind as one who has made up his mind." Dune
>
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:19:48
From:
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> >>>>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
> >>>>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
> >>>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
> >>> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
> >>> thread? Nuff said.
> >> I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
> >
> > Shame you didn't read what it *meant* while you were at it. You might
> > have learned something.
>
> Only an idiot quotes the dictionary on the usenet.
Only a fool and an idiot uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 15:57:09
From: The Director
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> > http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
> >
> > NASA Watch covered it too.
> >
> > Michael Griffin goes fascist.
> >
>
> So you've proved you know little about the space
> program and Michael.
>
> Not a big surprise, that.
I'm intimately familiar with the destination of and baseline
specifications for the CEV and Ares I, that's all I need to know about
ESAS. I'm a launch and life support architect, if he continues to go
through with this, he's nuts. A nut in control of our national space
infrastructure. That's getting well enough within the fascist regime
for me.
The game is financially if not quite technologically over. The only
thing we can salvage from this is the ten meter tank. Read my lips :
Boeing Delta IV Medium.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:13:32
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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The Director wrote:
> Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>>>
>>> NASA Watch covered it too.
>>>
>>> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>>>
>> So you've proved you know little about the space
>> program and Michael.
>>
>> Not a big surprise, that.
>
> I'm intimately familiar with the destination of and baseline
> specifications for the CEV and Ares I, that's all I need to know about
> ESAS. I'm a launch and life support architect, if he continues to go
> through with this, he's nuts. A nut in control of our national space
> infrastructure. That's getting well enough within the fascist regime
> for me.
>
Plus you wouldn't know a true fascist if you saw one.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 18:41:33
From: Pat Flannery
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
> Plus you wouldn't know a true fascist if you saw one.
They tend to look like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jack_Oakie.jpg
http://varifrank.com/images/Great_dictator_1024.jpg ;-)
Pat
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 14:34:39
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Pat Flannery wrote:
>
>
> Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>>
>> Plus you wouldn't know a true fascist if you saw one.
>
>
> They tend to look like this:
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jack_Oakie.jpg
> http://varifrank.com/images/Great_dictator_1024.jpg ;-)
>
Unfortunately not. Some look like the mild
mannered fellow next door. I doubt Eichmann was
all that sinister looking in Argentina.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 03:19:12
From: Pat Flannery
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> They tend to look like this:
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jack_Oakie.jpg
>> http://varifrank.com/images/Great_dictator_1024.jpg ;-)
>>
>
> Unfortunately not. Some look like the mild mannered fellow next
> door. I doubt Eichmann was all that sinister looking in Argentina.
Not sinister? What sort of _normal_ man would stack books like that?:
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic3/eichmann.jpg :-)
Lookie! I have found a completly whacko website:
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/hitlerinargentine.htm
Pat
Pat
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 14:19:17
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
|
Pat Flannery wrote:
>
>
> Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They tend to look like this:
>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Jack_Oakie.jpg
>>> http://varifrank.com/images/Great_dictator_1024.jpg ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately not. Some look like the mild mannered fellow next
>> door. I doubt Eichmann was all that sinister looking in Argentina.
>
>
> Not sinister? What sort of _normal_ man would stack books like that?:
> http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic3/eichmann.jpg :-)
Looks like an overworked clerk or engineer to me ;)
> Lookie! I have found a completly whacko website:
> http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/hitlerinargentine.htm
>
You sure have!
Phil
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 15:50:11
From: The Director
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Frank Glover wrote:
> We don't vote directly on NASA programs and management. And the
> people who *do* influence that (Congeess and the President), depending
> on the political philosophy of the next Administration, will either
> continue the current programs (perhaps with some shuffling or budget
> downsizing) or end the programs completely.
My very real suggestion to you and anybody else reading this is to vote
in a democratic congress this fall, and then demand that they remove
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney from office forthwith, thus obviating
the Shitburger, Conrad Lautenberg and Michael Griffin problems, which
believe me, are very real and serious problems for science in this once
great nation of ours.
[snip gothiness]
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:21:37
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
|
The Director wrote:
> Frank Glover wrote:
>
>
>> We don't vote directly on NASA programs and management. And the
>>people who *do* influence that (Congeess and the President), depending
>>on the political philosophy of the next Administration, will either
>>continue the current programs (perhaps with some shuffling or budget
>>downsizing) or end the programs completely.
>
>
> My very real suggestion to you and anybody else reading this is to vote
> in a democratic congress this fall, and then demand that they remove
> George W. Bush and Dick Cheney from office forthwith, thus obviating
> the Shitburger, Conrad Lautenberg and Michael Griffin problems, which
> believe me, are very real and serious problems for science in this once
> great nation of ours.
>
> [snip gothiness]
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
Just so you know, I happen to be a registed Democrat, but I've
probably never voted a straight party line in my life.
(I hear lots of 'trash Bush.' Okay, fine. Now, what *else* are you
for, please. George McGovern suffered from the same thing. Get us out of
Vietnam? Okay. Now what will you do with the *other* three years and
eleven months, sir? I don't know about you, but I look at *many* issues
before pulling the lever.)
And somehow, you've forgotten to tell me how the above will enhance
space science *or* development. (again, just so you know, I'm posting
from the sci.space.policy NG, and that's how I'm approaching this
thread) The last Democrat president to be clearly for it, was Lyndon
Johnson. No presidential candidate lost or gained many votes for their
position on such things.
But as long as the government doesn't get in the *way,* I can live
with it. Throwing some useful bones out there like the recent COTS money
is good too, but not make-or-break. AsI've said elsewhere, ISS's biggest
value may be in providing a modest but real re-supply market for the
startups to address, and continue from there.
--
Frank
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 22:46:34
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
> NASA Watch covered it too.
>
> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
So you've proved you know little about the space
program and Michael.
Not a big surprise, that.
Phil
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:56:25
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Phil Wheeler" <wt6uh-ng7@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> So you've proved you know little about the space
> program and Michael.
>
> Not a big surprise, that.
And you've proven yourself as being a very brown-nosed rusemaster/(aka
Third Reich minion). So what's the difference?
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 13:56:10
From: The Director
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> > c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> > >>>>> You seem confused about the terms you are using.
> > >>>>> Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
> > >>>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
> > >>> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
> > >>> thread? Nuff said.
> > >> I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
> > >
> > > Shame you didn't read what it *meant* while you were at it. You might
> > > have learned something.
> >
> > Only an idiot quotes the dictionary on the usenet.
>
> Only a fool and an idiot uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.
Instant availability of all human knowledge, and you are still quoting
dictionaries.
Only an absolutist claims that language doesn't evolve :
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the
regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always
obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity
were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually
coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on
xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of
scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other
problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in
controlled directions. The methods of choice-relentless propaganda
and disinformation-were usually effective. Often the regimes would
incite "spontaneous" acts against the target scapegoats, usually
communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities,
traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists,
homosexuals, and "terrorists." Active opponents of these regimes
were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used
whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations,
and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and
the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably
viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly
anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually
codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox
religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media
were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to
stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to
ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and
access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and
implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically
compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in
keeping the general public unaware of the regimes' excesses.
7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security
apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually
an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any
constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting
"national security," and questioning its activities was portrayed
as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes,
the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless
by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to
the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves
as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling
elite's behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion
was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that
the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the
"godless." A perception was manufactured that opposing the power
elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of
ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large
corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The
ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure
military production (in developed states), but also as an additional
means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often
pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of
interests, especially in the repression of "have-not" citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was
seen as the one power center that could challenge the political
hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was
inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass,
viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being
poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression
associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and
academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and
the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically
unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or
expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To
these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or
they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes
maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison
populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked
power, leading to rampant abuse. "Normal" and political crime were
often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used
against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of
criminals or "traitors" was often promoted among the population as
an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and
close to the power elite often used their position to enrich
themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would
receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in
turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the
power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources
as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national
security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption
was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general
population.
14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or
public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with
candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power
elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining
control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising
opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a
last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:23:48
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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The Director wrote:
> c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>
>>>c64fan@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>You seem confused about the terms you are using.
>>>>>>>>Please consult a dictionary before you become a complete laughing stock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
>>>>>>thread? Nuff said.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
>>>>
>>>>Shame you didn't read what it *meant* while you were at it. You might
>>>>have learned something.
>>>
>>>Only an idiot quotes the dictionary on the usenet.
>>
>>Only a fool and an idiot uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.
>
>
> Instant availability of all human knowledge, and you are still quoting
> dictionaries.
>
> Only an absolutist claims that language doesn't evolve :
All the more reason to stop now and then and make sure we're talking
about the same thing, yes?
--
Frank
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 13:43:09
From: The Director
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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Frank Glover wrote:
> Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> >>> Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
> >>
> >>
> >> So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
> >> thread? Nuff said.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
>
>
> This is about definitions, not spelling...
No. it's about discussions, not definitions. Definitions work well for
mathematics.
I would have thought that with the sudden instanst availability of all
human knowledge, you could supply us with something a little more
substantive than a dictionary definition.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:09:12
From: Frank Glover
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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The Director wrote:
> Frank Glover wrote:
>
>>Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Only a fucking idiot quotes a dictionary on the usenet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So you consider misusing the *menaing* of words to be the point of this
>>>>thread? Nuff said.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure I spieled fascist write, I looked it up in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>> This is about definitions, not spelling...
>
>
> No. it's about discussions, not definitions. Definitions work well for
> mathematics.
>
> I would have thought that with the sudden instanst availability of all
> human knowledge, you could supply us with something a little more
> substantive than a dictionary definition.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
It wasn't my posting, but yeah, I happen to know that's one of the
things dictionaries are for. Otherwise we easily find ourselves talking
past each other, not even meaning the same thing.
Ditd I really have to point that out?
--
Frank
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 17:45:50
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org/?p=169
>
> NASA Watch covered it too.
>
> Michael Griffin goes fascist.
>
> NOAA under Conrad Lautenberg is just as bad.
>
> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
>
> http://cosmic.lifeform.org
This topic is hereby officially stalked and summarily bashed by the
following borg collective that's 99.9% of what sucks and blows the
absolute most about this infomercial based brown-nosed Usenet (the best
ever anti-think-tank and/or disinformation cesspool of humanity).
The remaining contributions as offered by those of us within the 0.1%,
of what represents honest folks, that are of the few and far between
good guys, apparently don't count because we're not good enough at being
liars and arrogant bastards that'll gladly butt-wipe one another via
their brown nose on behalf of MI/NSA~NASA ulterior motives and hidden
agendas. Just like their good old Third Reich days and of their
mutually perpetrated cold-wars.
BTW; my God (aka ET intelligent creator that's quite possibly from the
Sirius solar system or perhaps even from nearby Venus seems perfectly
doable, especially if you're my kind of ET/intelligent designer) can
seriously kick your absolutely wussy terrestrial sequestered God's butt
any day of the week, and then some.
-
Brad Guth
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:33:46
From: Brad Guth
Subject: Re: NASA - Our Fascist Space Agency
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <cosmic@lifeform.org > wrote in message
news:LmkHg.393$ch7.358@newsfe06.lga
> This is what you get when you vote fascists into office.
Thomas Lee Elifritz,
I think you're 100+% right about "Our Fascist Space Agency", whereas I
also think it has always been much like our mutually perpetrated
cold-war(s), having a little if not entirely something to do with folks
exactly like these Usenet spook/mole rusemasters avoiding and/or having
banished the truth, and otherwise having been perpetrating
disinformation, of which they and others of their kind wouldn't know
much of anything about whatever's the actual truth, much less care as to
allowing other interpretations of history or sharing the facts out of
any one of those 700 missing NASA/Apollo boxes.
Christ almighty on another stick. Dare to mention something of truth
and nothing but the truth, that's entirely supported by the regular laws
of physics and otherwise easily replicated to boot, and all of the
sudden the Usenet lights go out entirely. Either that or the mainstream
status quo flak gets so thick that it blocks out the sunlight.
First off, there's absolutely nothing to imagine about where the visual
location of Venus was throughout those Apollo missions, and it was most
certainly within the DR(dymanic range) of those unfiltered Kodak
moments, whereas Venus would have photographed as somewhat of a violet
skewed color because of what the horrific raw amount of solar UV_a
energy does with such an atmospheric orb, and also of what the
sensitivity of their unfiltered Kodak film that's unavoidably more
violet and UV_a spectrum sensitive than the human eye represents.
According to any halfass worthy 3D solar system simulator (aka
Celestia), with regards to missions A_11, A_14 and A_16, as in how about
good and not so planetology old but otherwise geothermally toasty Venus,
as having existed right in plain unavoidable sight of most any
unfiltered Kodak moment that was pointed in the general/vague direction,
as especially viewed from orbit and/or rather easily if not unavoidably
obtained from their physically dark and naked anticathode worthy deck,
as in Venus being vibrantly plain as day and looking as though
sufficiently nearby, as being that of a fairly large item and easily
viewed as for being that of an absolutely impressive looking orb
(especially to the more spectrum sensitive unfiltered Kodak eye) that's
somewhere above their physically dark lunar horizon and that of big old
UV secondary/recoil bluish looking mother Earth.
There's absolutely no question that we've been snookered and otherwise
dumbfounded (a few too many of us into the poor-house or simply to
death) by those having "the right stuff". The cloak and daggers plus
countless smoking guns of lies that beget lies and of their ongoing
deceptions are everywhere you care to honestly look. Of course, you
don't have to look if you don't want to know the truth.
-
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