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Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:05:35
From: Protagonist
Subject: MindWalk and Music of the Spheres
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Just watched the 1992' movie MindWalk. What catch me in the movie, as it
explained is that atoms contains very little matter. Even that small
amount are, scientist not sure if it's matter.
Basically all matter are empty space, only it appears to be solid.
Way it's explained, if an orange blown up to the size of earth, all the
atoms inside would be the size of cherries.
If these cherries (atoms) would be blown up to a large island, the
matter it contains, would be less than a small pebble and the electrons
would be the size of a grain of sand, maybe.
So an atom it's self has very little matter or non, but interconnected,
bonded with others builds up solid matter or what appears to be in our
3+1 dimensional world.
An atom is like a key or sound note, many notes with different timings,
frequency build up a chord or a hole song, solid matter.
Music of the spheres.
But they contain very little matter, so we are basically empty space.
Any input welcome on these thoughts!
Thx, Julius
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:19:32
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: MindWalk and Music of the Spheres
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Protagonist wrote:
> Just watched the 1992' movie MindWalk. What catch me in the movie, as it
> explained is that atoms contains very little matter. Even that small
> amount are, scientist not sure if it's matter.
> Basically all matter are empty space, only it appears to be solid.
> Way it's explained, if an orange blown up to the size of earth, all the
> atoms inside would be the size of cherries.
> If these cherries (atoms) would be blown up to a large island, the
> matter it contains, would be less than a small pebble and the electrons
> would be the size of a grain of sand, maybe.
> So an atom it's self has very little matter or non, but interconnected,
> bonded with others builds up solid matter or what appears to be in our
> 3+1 dimensional world.
> An atom is like a key or sound note, many notes with different timings,
> frequency build up a chord or a hole song, solid matter.
> Music of the spheres.
> But they contain very little matter, so we are basically empty space.
> Any input welcome on these thoughts!
> Thx, Julius
>
>
Definition of matter
Colloquially and in chemistry, matter is easy to define. Matter is the
stuff which things are made of and consists of chemical substances.
These are made of atoms, which are made of protons, neutrons and
electrons. In this way, matter is contrasted with energy.
In physics, there is no broad consensus as to an exact definition of
matter. Physicists generally do not use the word when precision is
needed, prefering instead to speak of the more clearly defined concepts
of mass, energy and particles.
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 05:26:31
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: MindWalk and Music of the Spheres
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Protagonist wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
> > Just watched the 1992' movie MindWalk. What catch me in the movie, as it
> > explained is that atoms contains very little matter. Even that small
> > amount are, scientist not sure if it's matter.
> > Basically all matter are empty space, only it appears to be solid.
> > Way it's explained, if an orange blown up to the size of earth, all the
> > atoms inside would be the size of cherries.
> > If these cherries (atoms) would be blown up to a large island, the
> > matter it contains, would be less than a small pebble and the electrons
> > would be the size of a grain of sand, maybe.
> > So an atom it's self has very little matter or non, but interconnected,
> > bonded with others builds up solid matter or what appears to be in our
> > 3+1 dimensional world.
> > An atom is like a key or sound note, many notes with different timings,
> > frequency build up a chord or a hole song, solid matter.
> > Music of the spheres.
> > But they contain very little matter, so we are basically empty space.
> > Any input welcome on these thoughts!
> > Thx, Julius
> >
> >
>
> Definition of matter
>
> Colloquially and in chemistry, matter is easy to define. Matter is the
> stuff which things are made of and consists of chemical substances.
> These are made of atoms, which are made of protons, neutrons and
> electrons. In this way, matter is contrasted with energy.
>
> In physics, there is no broad consensus as to an exact definition of
> matter. Physicists generally do not use the word when precision is
> needed, prefering instead to speak of the more clearly defined concepts
> of mass, energy and particles.
At this important juncture in astronomy it may be appropriate to
present the words of Copernicus -
" . although they have extracted from them the apparent motions, with
numerical agreement, nevertheless . . . . They are just like someone
including in a picture hands, feet, head, and other limbs from
different places, well painted indeed, but not modeled from the same
body, and not in the least matching each other, so that a monster would
be produced from them rather than a man. Thus in the process of their
demonstrations, which they call their system, they are found either to
have missed out something essential, or to have brought in something
inappropriate and wholly irrelevant, which would not have happened to
them if they had followed proper principles. For if the hypotheses
which they assumed had not been fallacies, everything which follows
from them could be independently verified." De revolutionibus, 1543
Your kind have dominated astronomy for so long that most here
unfortunately assume that celestial sphere geometry,meaningless
definitions and magnification represent astronomy , its methods and
its insights but these things are coming to an end.
Before astrophotographers is one single and spectacular set of images
of Jupiter and Saturn turned into time lapse footage by Mr Tezel
hinting at the new possibilties ahead for astronomy -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
Your use of Keplerian language of 'music of the spheres' is repulsive
insofar as the harmonic motions of the planets require that intuitive
vision to recognise what is going on,something most people have and
developed to a high degree by astronomers for this is what makes a
Copernicus ,a Kepler and a Roemer.
It is there every single day for participants to discover and makes
astronomy an entirely different experience than just magnification.At
this important juncture in astronomy the only thing to prevent a
further intellectual and intutive decline are those images above and
what they represent.By the grace of God,that enough intelligent people
see what was missing all along and then the music will return to
astronomy after the meaningless definitional racket of non astronomers.
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