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Date: 02 Nov 2006 19:16:09
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Dear Friends,
Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not
pursuing the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will
follow-up with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy
h-alpha component.
For those interested, please see
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
"misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
Clear skies!
Anthony.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 10:27:43
From: atasselli@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
> past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
> had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not
> pursuing the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will
> follow-up with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy
> h-alpha component.
>
> For those interested, please see
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
> version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
> "misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
>
> The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
> from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
>
I would avoid going h-halfa for a luminance but then it is up to each
individual. As for the picture the colour balance isn't the best, the
central portion is a bit too bright (hence hiding the details within) ,
it is pretty noisy and the background is too dark (except for a faint
reddish halo around the central portion of the image). Were I you I
would go for a stright 3-hours luminance followed by the canonical rgb
in binned mode.
Andrea T.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 20:44:28
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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atasselli@hotmail.com wrote:
> Anthony Ayiomamitis wrote:
>
>>Dear Friends,
>>
>>Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
>>past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
>>had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not
>>pursuing the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will
>>follow-up with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy
>>h-alpha component.
>>
>>For those interested, please see
>>http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
>>version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
>>"misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
>>
>>The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
>>from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
>>
>
>
Hi Andrea,
> I would avoid going h-halfa for a luminance but then it is up to each
> individual. As for the picture the colour balance isn't the best, the
> central portion is a bit too bright (hence hiding the details within) ,
> it is pretty noisy and the background is too dark (except for a faint
> reddish halo around the central portion of the image). Were I you I
> would go for a stright 3-hours luminance followed by the canonical rgb
> in binned mode.
I had a brief window last night (3.5 hrs) and I tried to make the best
of it by splitting time between the LRGB components. This is certainly
an image to be revisited when more time is available and with the moon
not dictating how long I have at my disposal for M1.
Thanks for the input and suggestions. It is obvious that there is lots
of room for improvement.
Anthony.
>
> Andrea T.
>
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 02:05:15
From: Philippe Delsol
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Anthony Ayiomamitis a ιcrit :
> Dear Friends,
>
> Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
> past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
> had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not
> pursuing the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will
> follow-up with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy
> h-alpha component.
>
> For those interested, please see
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
> version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
> "misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
>
> The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
> from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
>
> Clear skies!
>
> Anthony.
Thank you, Danke, Merci !
--
Philippe
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 02:23:35
From:
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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"Philippe Delsol" <trytofind@black.hole.com > wrote in message
news:454be752$0$27403$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> Anthony Ayiomamitis a ιcrit :
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
>> past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
>> had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not pursuing
>> the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will follow-up
>> with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy h-alpha
>> component.
>>
>> For those interested, please see
>> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
>> version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
>> "misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
>>
>> The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
>> from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
>>
>> Clear skies!
>>
>> Anthony.
>
> Thank you, Danke, Merci !
Pas "danke" en grec, ce serait plutτt du genre "??? ????????????" mais ils
disent aussi "merci"!
Thierry
>
> --
> Philippe
>
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 02:39:38
From: Philippe Delsol
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Thierry a Γ©crit :
> "Philippe Delsol" <trytofind@black.hole.com> wrote in message
> news:454be752$0$27403$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
>>Anthony Ayiomamitis a Γ©crit :
>>
>>>Dear Friends,
>>>
>>>Finally a small break in the bad weather we have been experiencing the
>>>past few weeks with a brief 3.5-hr window of opportunity after the moon
>>>had finally set to image the Crab Nebula in Taurus. I regret not pursuing
>>>the luminance portion in h-alpha (live and learn) and I will follow-up
>>>with a repeat visit which will most certainly include a heavy h-alpha
>>>component.
>>>
>>>For those interested, please see
>>>http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-DSO-NGC-1952.htm .... the higher resolution
>>>version available by clicking on the hyperlinked image includes a
>>>"misplaced" asteroid on the upper left quadrant.
>>>
>>>The seeing was quite horrible (FWHM 2.9 to 3.6 arc-secs) and a far cry
>>>from my usual 1.7 to 2.3 arc-secs.
>>>
>>>Clear skies!
>>>
>>>Anthony.
>>
>>Thank you, Danke, Merci !
>
> Pas "danke" en grec, ce serait plutΓ΄t du genre "??? ????????????" mais ils
> disent aussi "merci"!
en Grec ?
Ξ΅Ο
ΟΞ±ΟΞΉΟΟΟ
j'espere que tu as de l'utf8 ;-)
> Thierry
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Philippe
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 02:39:38
From:
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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<Thierry > wrote in message news:454beb99$1@news.vo.lu...
>.
> Pas "danke" en grec, ce serait plutτt du genre "??? ????????????" mais ils
??? = Bravo pour le support du grec dans les softs... ΰ quoi sert l'unicode
? Et qu'ΰ fait la commission europιenne du tps ou la Grθce ιtant aux
commandes ? (avec un vrai ?) Pfff.
Oui en fait unicode "y supporte pas l'ISO 15924" (grec).... double Pfff.
Anthony a peut-κtre la rιponse.
Hi Anthony, king of the starfire !
I cannot post a msg written in greek alphabet...I need the iso 15924 code
How do you write in greek in your post ? (I tried to write the translation
of "thank you" in greek, I gave up!). You need a greek version of your
mailing system as well to preserve the iso codes ?
Regards for LX,
Thierry
Luxorion
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 14:38:12
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Thierry wrote:
> <Thierry> wrote in message news:454beb99$1@news.vo.lu...
>
>>.
>>Pas "danke" en grec, ce serait plutτt du genre "??? ????????????" mais ils
>
>
> ??? = Bravo pour le support du grec dans les softs... ΰ quoi sert l'unicode
> ? Et qu'ΰ fait la commission europιenne du tps ou la Grθce ιtant aux
> commandes ? (avec un vrai ?) Pfff.
> Oui en fait unicode "y supporte pas l'ISO 15924" (grec).... double Pfff.
>
> Anthony a peut-κtre la rιponse.
Γεία σου φίλε Θιερρή!
>
> Hi Anthony, king of the starfire !
I love and cherish my AP StarFire. Yes, six years on the waiting list
but what an instrument! The only mistake I made was not placing my name
on the list for two such instruments back in 1999.
I just picked up a Tak FSQ-106/f5 for widefield work and I am now in
heaven with these two wonderful scopes.
> I cannot post a msg written in greek alphabet...
I just posted some Greek text above to see if it makes it through or
not. Using the Mozilla reader in Netscape, I select View- >Character
Encoding- >Greek (ISO-8859-7) and the message is now enabled for Greek
characters. Next, I then select GR in my Windows (XP) toolbar so that
the keyboard can write Greek letters using the existing English keyboard
on my Dell and I am all set.
> I need the iso 15924 code
> How do you write in greek in your post ? (I tried to write the translation
> of "thank you" in greek, I gave up!).
In Greek, we say "thank you" with "Ευχαριστώ" or "Σ'ευχαριστώ".
> You need a greek version of your
> mailing system as well to preserve the iso codes ?
No I do not. I use Netscape V7.2 and the Mozilla reader that comes with it.
>
> Regards for LX,
Πολλά χαιρετίσματα από την Ελλάδα! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
>
> Thierry
Anthony.
> Luxorion
>
>
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 17:19:13
From:
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"Anthony Ayiomamitis" <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr > wrote in message
news:eii1k4$h3o$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> Thierry wrote:
>> <Thierry> wrote in message news:454beb99$1@news.vo.lu...
>...
>> Hi Anthony, king of the starfire !
>
> I love and cherish my AP StarFire. Yes, six years on the waiting list
So long now ? I expected 1.5 years, 2 at bast (worst)... sad.
> but what an instrument! The only mistake I made was not placing my name on
> the list for two such instruments back in 1999.
>
To make a bino to challenge Miyauchi or Swarovski ? ;-))
> I just picked up a Tak FSQ-106/f5 for widefield work and I am now in
> heaven with these two wonderful scopes.
>
>> I cannot post a msg written in greek alphabet...
>
> I just posted some Greek text above to see if it makes it through or not.
No. It doesn't.
Using the Mozilla reader in Netscape, I select View- >Character
> Encoding->Greek (ISO-8859-7) and the message is now enabled for Greek
> characters. Next, I then select GR in my Windows (XP) toolbar so that the
> keyboard can write Greek letters using the existing English keyboard on my
> Dell and I am all set.
Not better (or it is my application).
>
>> I need the iso 15924 code
You do. See microsoft. I have the same problem and I cannot fix it. I need
to check all this.
it is not intuitive, as usual to MS :-((
I expected that new fixes and SP2 fixed this as the european users (with
pressure of the european commission and his greek member) are as numerous as
the US one and have all this problem of language.
But currently it is to the user to implement this option.
>> How do you write in greek in your post ? (I tried to write the
>> translation of "thank you" in greek, I gave up!).
>
> In Greek, we say "thank you" with "Ευχαριστώ" or "Σ'ευχαριστώ".
"Ao..." Hum! Babelfish altavista give us the right answer too but we cannot
display it in this msg, excepted your friend Philippe.
>
>> You need a greek version of your mailing system as well to preserve the
>> iso codes ?
>
> No I do not. I use Netscape V7.2 and the Mozilla reader that comes with
> it.
Good idea but seems not enough... ! :-)
Of course it shoud be supported by the OS, not only by the application.
I haven't find an installation procedure online yet.
I could ask to some friends at E.C. is needed.
Thierry
>
>>
>> Regards for LX,
>
> Πολλά χαιρετίσματα από την Ελλάδα! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
>
>>
>> Thierry
>
> Anthony.
>
>> Luxorion
>
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 08:11:58
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Thierry wrote:
> > I just posted some Greek text above to see if it makes it through or not.
>
> No. It doesn't.
I saw it just fine, although (because Unicode wasn't used) I have to
switch between Western European (ISO-8859-1) and Greek (ISO-8859-7) in
order to read both your French and his Greek.
--
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The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 09:06:14
From: Odysseus
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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In article <eii1k4$h3o$1@mouse.otenet.gr >,
Anthony Ayiomamitis <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr > wrote:
<snip >
>
> I just posted some Greek text above to see if it makes it through or
> not. Using the Mozilla reader in Netscape, I select View->Character
> Encoding->Greek (ISO-8859-7) and the message is now enabled for Greek
> characters. Next, I then select GR in my Windows (XP) toolbar so that
> the keyboard can write Greek letters using the existing English keyboard
> on my Dell and I am all set.
Although my usual newsreader, MT-Newswatcher v3.5.1, was able to
identify the encoding correctly, the Greek text was garbled in the
display. However, it looks just fine in Mozilla Thunderbird v1.5.0.7, so
I presume the fault is MT-NW's and neither my system's (Mac OS 10.4.8)
nor at your end.
--
Odysseus
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 11:53:23
From:
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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"Odysseus" <odysseus1479-at@yahoo-dot.com > wrote in message
news:odysseus1479-at-BBCEF1.02061405112006@news.telus.net...
> In article <eii1k4$h3o$1@mouse.otenet.gr>,
> Anthony Ayiomamitis <anthony@perseus.no2spam.gr> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> I just posted some Greek text above to see if it makes it through or
>> not. Using the Mozilla reader in Netscape, I select View->Character
>> Encoding->Greek (ISO-8859-7) and the message is now enabled for Greek
>> characters. Next, I then select GR in my Windows (XP) toolbar so that
>> the keyboard can write Greek letters using the existing English keyboard
>> on my Dell and I am all set.
OK. I have the same encoding feature under IE but not, at first sight, under
my outlook exp. mailing system that manages it. So in my case it should be
fine to get the uft8 available throught the OS and not only in individual
applications.
So if someone get the trick to install it for good on xp , I take.
>
> Although my usual newsreader, MT-Newswatcher v3.5.1, was able to
> identify the encoding correctly, the Greek text was garbled in the
> display. However, it looks just fine in Mozilla Thunderbird v1.5.0.7, so
> I presume the fault is MT-NW's and neither my system's (Mac OS 10.4.8)
> nor at your end.
>
Noted. But Mac is not known for its troubles with drivers, fixes or viruses,
contrary to microsoft.
You make the good choice. when I see how work the G5, I 'm somewhat jealous
;-)
Thanks
Thierry
> --
> Odysseus
>
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 19:43:36
From: Frank Feger
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Anthony Ayiomamitis schrieb:
> Γεία σου φίλε Θιερρή!
<snip >
> Πολλά χαιρετίσματα από την Ελλάδα! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
Both lines are readable, using
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; de-AT; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030821
with SuSE Linux 9.0, and Fvwm2 as window manager.
Clear Skies!
F^2
--
http://www.frank-feger.de.vu
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 13:59:05
From:
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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"Frank Feger" <frank@astro1.physik.uni-siegen.de > wrote in message
news:eim2ab$5j0$1@news.albasani.net...
> Anthony Ayiomamitis schrieb:
>
>> Γεία σου φίλε Θιερρή!
>
> <snip>
>
>> Πολλά χαιρετίσματα από την Ελλάδα! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
>
> Both lines are readable, using
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; de-AT; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030821
> with SuSE Linux 9.0, and Fvwm2 as window manager.
>
For the greek support in windows, I tested various config. and found that
both OS and applications play a role in the conversion.
I work with xp and all fixes. I just removed the foreign lang supp. then
reinstalled my japanese, greek and others languages in CP.
While the supported conversions included by default greek and that I could
write in greek, greek alphabet was not displayed in the return of my emails,
but remplaced with ? at best, like on most system not supporting it.
Now, instead of sending the msg "as it" (with embebbed greek -uft8 or iso -
support, thus using a conversion table to display correctly e??a??st?), if I
force the sending as "unicode", I lost the greek because it is no supported
by this standard.
For xp, the system uses the application data but can bypass it if you tell
the OS to ignore the code.
So, at the end it *your application* that decides to display or not the
greek and other "strange" char rather than the OS.
This also explains why e.g. MS-IExplorer can display it whatever windows
settings via its menu.
As it works locally (in sending me an email), it should work in internet
now, e??a??st?
In the negative, the problem looks outside of my PC, and so to you, and I am
not sure that i could fix it.
Now I don't make the test changing the encoding under IExplorer (I don't use
it to send mail), using greek or even arabian instead of western european to
see if the greek in preserved. but should be interested to do (and sending
the mail to the newgroup like 0.test to not pollute forums)
Hope this help.
Thierry
>
> Clear Skies!
>
> F^2
>
>
> --
> http://www.frank-feger.de.vu
>
>
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 14:26:30
From:
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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<Thierry > wrote in message news:454f319a@news.vo.lu...
>
> "Frank Feger" <frank@astro1.physik.uni-siegen.de> wrote in message
> news:eim2ab$5j0$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Anthony Ayiomamitis schrieb:
>>
>>> Aa?a oio o?ea Eeann?!
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> ?ieeU ?aenao?oiaoa a?u oci AeeUaa! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
>>
>> Both lines are readable, using
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; de-AT; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030821
>> with SuSE Linux 9.0, and Fvwm2 as window manager.
>>
>...
> So, at the end it *your application* that decides to display or not the
> greek and other "strange" char rather than the OS.
I have forgotten one think.
You application (brozser and mail syst) as also various settings to encode
messages for both email and news
this there are about 4 combinations (both text and html in greek or not) to
try to get ευχαριστώ
for this one I use only plain text msg in 8 bit in newgroups (in my mail
syst), and greek support in the browser instead of western eur.
See resulsts on 0.test (NB. most of the time the header is wrong but the
contains is correct)
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 19:21:45
From: Graham W
Subject: Re: M1 - Crab Nebula in Taurus
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Thierry wrote:
> <Thierry> wrote in message news:454f319a@news.vo.lu...
>>
>> "Frank Feger" <frank@astro1.physik.uni-siegen.de> wrote in message
>> news:eim2ab$5j0$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> Anthony Ayiomamitis schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Aa?a oio o?ea Eeann?!
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> ?ieeU ?aenao?oiaoa a?u oci AeeUaa! (Many/Best wishes from Greece).
>>>
>>> Both lines are readable, using
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; de-AT; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030821
>>> with SuSE Linux 9.0, and Fvwm2 as window manager.
>>>
>> ...
>> So, at the end it *your application* that decides to display or not the
>> greek and other "strange" char rather than the OS.
>
> I have forgotten one think.
> You application (brozser and mail syst) as also various settings to
> encode messages for both email and news
> this there are about 4 combinations (both text and html in greek or
> not) to try to get ευχαριστώ
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This displays o.k. in my
OE5.5 under
Win98SE fully updated as did all of Antony's.
> for this one I use only plain text msg in 8 bit in newgroups (in my mail
> syst), and greek support in the browser instead of western eur.
> See resulsts on 0.test (NB. most of the time the header is wrong but the
> contains is correct)
--
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