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Date: 06 Aug 2006 17:17:40
From: Daniel Joseph Min
Subject: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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REMINDER, SINCE this particular "evidence" regarding the laser
reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
rover had eight wheels.
"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
television pictures and scientific data.
Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
and carried an additional television camera. It
travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
moving.
The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
laser beam, making it possible to measure the
distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
panoramic photography, and all lenses have
improved sunshades.
The small silver box between the front wheels is
an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
centimetres.
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
a core sample.
On returning to the rest position, the sample is
transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
Earth" [end quote]
Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
reflectors proves the American space program successfully
sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT > anonymous.poster
*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 21:18:38
From:
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Florian wrote:
> This is unrelated to the original post. (I didn't read it actually.) But
> the subject line caught my eye. I found a surveyor's laser prism out
> on the desert a few years ago. It's about 3" across. A couple of months
> ago i took it with me on a hike near Mt. San Jacinto in southern Calif. I
> hid it on a ridge in view of my house in Palm Springs. I can now bounce
> my green laser pointer off it at night from my back yard. It's neat! The
> prism is about 7 miles from my house but provides a good bright
> reflection with the GLP. ;-)
Interesting. :-)
FWIW: 7 * 2 * 5280 = 73920 feet, higher than most airplanes can fly.
Have you attempted bouncing the beam off the retro-reflector left on
the
Moon by the Apollo astronauts? :-) :-) :-)
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 18:47:43
From: Don't Be Evil
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Florian wrote:
> This is unrelated to the original post. (I didn't read it actually.) But the subject line caught my eye. I found a surveyor's laser prism out on the desert a few years ago. It's about 3" across. A couple of months ago i took it with me on a hike near Mt. San Jacinto in southern Calif. I hid it on a ridge in view of my house in Palm Springs. I can now bounce my green laser pointer off it at night from my back yard. It's neat! The prism is about 7 miles from my house but provides a good bright reflection with the GLP. ;-)
>
> -Florian
Great propaganda, but we all know you can't climb Mt. San Jacinto. Any
pictures you have of the hike are obvious fakes from the Area 51
replica of Southern California. The reflector was probably placed
there by Mexican robots. That is, if Mexico is real and not some
Antarctic conspiracy.
Greg
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 03:24:47
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Don't Be Evil wrote:
> Florian wrote:
>> This is unrelated to the original post. (I didn't read it
>> actually.) But the subject line caught my eye. I found a surveyor's
>> laser prism out on the desert a few years ago. It's about 3"
>> across. A couple of months ago i took it with me on a hike near Mt.
>> San Jacinto in southern Calif. I hid it on a ridge in view of my
>> house in Palm Springs. I can now bounce my green laser pointer off
>> it at night from my back yard. It's neat! The prism is about 7
>> miles from my house but provides a good bright reflection with the
>> GLP. ;-)
>>
>> -Florian
>
> Great propaganda, but we all know you can't climb Mt. San Jacinto.
> Any pictures you have of the hike are obvious fakes from the Area 51
> replica of Southern California. The reflector was probably placed
> there by Mexican robots. That is, if Mexico is real and not some
> Antarctic conspiracy.
>
Drat .. that means the 20+ times I climbed Mt. San Jacinto I must have
been hallucinating ;)
The retro-reflector sounds very cool. But watch out for the GLP police,
Florian.
Phil
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 04:39:25
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:24:47 GMT, Phil Wheeler <wt6uh-ng7@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Drat .. that means the 20+ times I climbed Mt. San Jacinto I must have
>been hallucinating ;)
No, it just means you're part of the conspiracy. So am I.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 20:57:44
From: Florian
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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This is unrelated to the original post. (I didn't read it actually.) But =
the subject line caught my eye. I found a surveyor's laser prism out on =
the desert a few years ago. It's about 3" across. A couple of months ago =
i took it with me on a hike near Mt. San Jacinto in southern Calif. I =
hid it on a ridge in view of my house in Palm Springs. I can now bounce =
my green laser pointer off it at night from my back yard. It's neat! The =
prism is about 7 miles from my house but provides a good bright =
reflection with the GLP. ;-)
-Florian
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 21:40:05
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Can this be true: Russian rockets were on the Moon by 1970 ??
NASA sux
In <news:CDTMIBYC38935.5539351852@twistycreek.com >,
"Daniel Joseph Min" <anon@comments.header > wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>REMINDER, SINCE this particular "evidence" regarding the laser
>reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
>has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
>have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
>educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
>but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
>nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
>more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
>
>http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
>"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
> controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
> by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
> rover had eight wheels.
>"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
> 17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
> and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
> by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
> Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
> television pictures and scientific data.
> Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
> Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
> and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
> and carried an additional television camera. It
> travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
>
>http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
>"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
> eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
> motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
> failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
> moving.
> The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
> reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
> laser beam, making it possible to measure the
> distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
> of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
>
>http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
>"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
> panoramic photography, and all lenses have
> improved sunshades.
> The small silver box between the front wheels is
> an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
> onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
> its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
> retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
> transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
> distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
> centimetres.
>
>http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
>"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
> Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
> on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
> the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
> lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
> a core sample.
> On returning to the rest position, the sample is
> transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
> Earth" [end quote]
>
>Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
>both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
>lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
>time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
>to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
>placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
>Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
>returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
>from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
>
>So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
>by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
>out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
>earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
>This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
>lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
>men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
>cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
>precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
>"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
>hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
>achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
>five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
>Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
>that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
>By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
>unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
>reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
>It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
>somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
>evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
>
>At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
>reflectors proves the American space program successfully
>sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
>to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
>All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
>That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
>Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>
>*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
>*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
>*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
>In Vigilance,
>Daniel Joseph Min
>
> *Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
> *Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
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>
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>
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 20:22:53
From: Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com > wrote in message
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 09:25:45
From: Helmut Wabnig
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, "Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a > wrote:
>Russia also put the first dog in space, "Laika" and the first man in
>space, Yuri Gagarin.
There were numerous earlier space experiments which ended lethally
for the participants. Gagarin was not the first, maybe he was the
first who survived, but I doubt even that.
w.
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 12:35:30
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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And just WHO was the first to ride a rocket into Earth Orbit? if not a
russian?
--
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"Helmut Wabnig" <...._.--_.-_-..._-._.._--.@.-_---_-._*_.-_- > wrote in
message news:vjqdd21bj0vbuei3rcl77mcgg6fvfa5kdd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, "Sorcerer"
> <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
>
>
>>Russia also put the first dog in space, "Laika" and the first man in
>>space, Yuri Gagarin.
>
> There were numerous earlier space experiments which ended lethally
> for the participants. Gagarin was not the first, maybe he was the
> first who survived, but I doubt even that.
>
> w.
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 23:46:59
From: Sjouke Burry
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Starlord wrote:
> And just WHO was the first to ride a rocket into Earth Orbit? if not a
> russian?
>
>
T'was a human.....
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 16:59:35
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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That sure tells a lot, like which country, whick rocket, how many orbits,
etc.
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"Sjouke Burry" <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnlll > wrote in message
news:44d7b4d3$0$2030$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> Starlord wrote:
>> And just WHO was the first to ride a rocket into Earth Orbit? if not a
>> russian?
>>
>>
> T'was a human.....
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 15:41:50
From: Dan McKenna
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Sjouke Burry wrote:
> Starlord wrote:
> > And just WHO was the first to ride a rocket into Earth Orbit? if not a
> > russian?
> >
> >
> T'was a human.....
Was it not a dog named Lika (sp?)
or on this side a chimp
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 21:58:08
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Sjouke Burry wrote:
> Starlord wrote:
>> And just WHO was the first to ride a rocket into Earth Orbit? if not a
>> russian?
>>
>>
> T'was a human.....
I thought it was Laika, a canine ..
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 13:21:02
From: N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Dear Nomen Nescio:
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com > wrote in message
news:73352d343bfec7c1396b0e42a3259deb@dizum.com...
>
> Can this be true: Russian rockets were on the Moon
> by 1970 ??
Regardless of whether you believe we landed men on the Moon or
not, both the USA and the Soviet Union landed craft on the Moon
in the 60's and 70's.
> NASA sux
Sez you.
David A. Smith
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 06:30:49
From: Don't Be Evil
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Don't Be Evil wrote:
> > Florian wrote:
> >> This is unrelated to the original post. (I didn't read it
> >> actually.) But the subject line caught my eye. I found a surveyor's
> >> laser prism out on the desert a few years ago. It's about 3"
> >> across. A couple of months ago i took it with me on a hike near Mt.
> >> San Jacinto in southern Calif. I hid it on a ridge in view of my
> >> house in Palm Springs. I can now bounce my green laser pointer off
> >> it at night from my back yard. It's neat! The prism is about 7
> >> miles from my house but provides a good bright reflection with the
> >> GLP. ;-)
> >>
> >> -Florian
> >
> > Great propaganda, but we all know you can't climb Mt. San Jacinto.
> > Any pictures you have of the hike are obvious fakes from the Area 51
> > replica of Southern California. The reflector was probably placed
> > there by Mexican robots. That is, if Mexico is real and not some
> > Antarctic conspiracy.
> >
>
> Drat .. that means the 20+ times I climbed Mt. San Jacinto I must have
> been hallucinating ;)
>
> The retro-reflector sounds very cool. But watch out for the GLP police,
> Florian.
>
> Phil
Actually, I have climbed it as well (cheating part of the way with the
tram). Just once, stopping about 2/3 of the way to the summit. The
smog greatly diminished the view. I was able to see the mountains to
the north peeking out, but no good view of the low areas in any
direction. Supposedly you can see mountains in Mexico on a clear day.
Ever been up there in particularly clear weather?
Greg
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 14:59:04
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Don't Be Evil wrote:
>
>> Drat .. that means the 20+ times I climbed Mt. San Jacinto I must have
>> been hallucinating ;)
>>
>> The retro-reflector sounds very cool. But watch out for the GLP police,
>> Florian.
>>
>> Phil
>
> Actually, I have climbed it as well (cheating part of the way with the
> tram). Just once, stopping about 2/3 of the way to the summit. The
> smog greatly diminished the view. I was able to see the mountains to
> the north peeking out, but no good view of the low areas in any
> direction. Supposedly you can see mountains in Mexico on a clear day.
>
> Ever been up there in particularly clear weather?
>
Yes, I have, Greg. Most of my ascents have used the Tram, too .. though
I have climbed it 3-4 times from Humber Park near Idyllwild and once
from the town itself (Deer Springs Trail).
The best views to the South have seemed to be from Wellman Divide.
Often the Palomar dome is evident and you can see into Mexico on an
exceptional day. Good views of the Salton Sea from the trail above
Wellman .. and to the West from SJ peak. As I recall, views to the
South from the peak are somewhat limited by Jean and Marion Peaks ..
which are almost as high as San Jacinto.
Phil
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 14:20:17
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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On 7 Aug 2006 06:30:49 -0700, "Don't Be Evil" <g626700-gg@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Actually, I have climbed it as well (cheating part of the way with the
>tram). Just once, stopping about 2/3 of the way to the summit. The
>smog greatly diminished the view. I was able to see the mountains to
>the north peeking out, but no good view of the low areas in any
>direction. Supposedly you can see mountains in Mexico on a clear day.
>
>Ever been up there in particularly clear weather?
I've been up a few times when you could see very far: Mexico to the
south (and the dome of Palomar), the Sierras to the north, across San
Gorgonio, and LA, Catalina, and the ocean to the west.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 05:20:58
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Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> REMINDER, SINCE this particular "evidence" regarding the laser
> reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
> has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
> have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
> educated nitwits who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
> but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
> nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
> more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
>
> http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
> "Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
> controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
> by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
> rover had eight wheels.
> "The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
> 17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
> and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
> by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
> Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
> television pictures and scientific data.
> Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
> Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
> and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
> and carried an additional television camera. It
> travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
> "Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
> eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
> motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
> failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
> moving.
> The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
> reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
> laser beam, making it possible to measure the
> distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
> of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
> "There is an additional high-level TV camera for
> panoramic photography, and all lenses have
> improved sunshades.
> The small silver box between the front wheels is
> an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
> onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
> its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
> retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
> transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
> distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
> centimetres.
>
> http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
> "the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
> Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
> on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
> the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
> lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
> a core sample.
> On returning to the rest position, the sample is
> transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
> Earth" [end quote]
>
> Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
> both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
> lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
> time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
> to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
> placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
> Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
> returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
> from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
>
> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
> by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
> out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
> earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
> This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
> lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
> men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
> cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
> precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
> "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
> hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
> achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
> five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
> Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
> that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
>
> By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
> unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
> reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
> It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
> somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
> evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
>
> At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
> reflectors proves the American space program successfully
> sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
> to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
> All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
> That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
> Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation:
>
> *Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> *Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
>
> In Vigilance,
> Daniel Joseph Min
>
> *Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
> *Min's Spiritual I.Q. Test (how smart are you, really):
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HCRHGLQM38786.0401967593 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704 <AT> anonymous.poster
>
> *Min's Official PGP Public Key (MIT Keyserver compromised):
>
There are one or two facts that are rarely mentioned.
1) The Russians would have discredited the lunar landings had they been
able to. Had Apollo simply sent a laser reflector they would have
publicised the fact. They knew the approximate weights of everything
sent to the Moon.
2) A large number of people participated in the Apollo project. To have
a conspiracy you need a small tighly knit group of people. Otherwise
there are leaks.
The generals in Iraq conspired to not tell us the truth. There were too
many people involved. The whole E-Mail of Willian Patey was leaked. A
consiracy was therefore attemted but failed.
In the CIA where small groups of people work on a "need to know" basis
conspiracies are possible. In NASA they are not because so many people
have an involvement in every project. If Armstrong and Aldrin had not
landed on the Moon the fact would have been quickly leaked.
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 13:24:32
From: Phineas T PuddleDuck
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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In article <1154953258.466561.3610@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
ianparker2@gmail.com wrote:
> There are one or two facts that are rarely mentioned.
Welcome to Min of Stupidity. Facts are futile ;-)
--
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asymptotically approaches the odour of roses."
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 12:37:28
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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Please don't quote all his garbage, we've all seen it and killfiled him.
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> Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Laser-Reflecting 'Corner Cubes'
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