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Date: 08 Oct 2006 12:12:04
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Is this you?
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You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
fold.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 19:40:37
From: Matthew Ota
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Not me...
Meade has been berry, berry good to me...
Matthew Ota
Martin R. Howell wrote:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 23:15:04
From: Joe Bergeron
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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In article <nzs5f4ep1xsi.vtre6skvd7l9.dlg@40tude.net >, Martin R. Howell
<martinhowell@pcgamegolfers.com > wrote:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
I was with you right up until you said "erroneously".
--
Joe Bergeron
http://www.joebergeron.com
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 17:15:49
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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On Sun, 08 2006 23:15:04 GMT, Joe Bergeron wrote:
> In article <nzs5f4ep1xsi.vtre6skvd7l9.dlg@40tude.net>, Martin R. Howell
> <martinhowell@pcgamegolfers.com> wrote:
>
>> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
>> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
>> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
>> fold.
>
> I was with you right up until you said "erroneously".
>>>
Definition:
passive-aggressive
adjective
Definition:
avoiding direct confrontation: describes a personality type or way of
behaving that seeks to manipulate others indirectly and resist their
demands rather than confronting or opposing directly
<<<
Joe. . .thanks for making my point.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 17:26:25
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> Joe. . .thanks for making my point.
I think you have missed Joe's virtual smiley.
(Joe has often a rather dry wit. Caveat lector.)
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Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu >
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 17:43:41
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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On Sun, 8 2006 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian Tung wrote:
> Martin R. Howell wrote:
>> Joe. . .thanks for making my point.
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> I think you have missed Joe's virtual smiley.
>
I guess mine wasn't apparent either <g >
Thanks Brian, for setting me kinda straight.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 23:22:26
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> I guess mine wasn't apparent either <g>
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> Thanks Brian, for setting me kinda straight.
D'oh! :) <-- explicit smiley
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Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu >
The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/
Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/
The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/
My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 18:58:18
From: Ashbury
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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> Definition:
>
> avoiding direct confrontation: describes a personality type or way of
> behaving that seeks to manipulate others indirectly and resist their
> demands rather than confronting or opposing directly
Why would someone do that?
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 16:02:58
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
No.
HTH,
Shawn
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 12:21:33
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
Hi:
Meade makes good stuff and bad stuff. Just like Celestron, Vixen, and
the other middle of the road (i.e. non custom/high quality)
manufacturers. Both companies have been guilty of stepping on their
users' toes in the past, and will no doubt continue to do so in the
future.
I like Meade gear. They are hardly perfect, however. And while the good
outweighs the bad with 'em IMHO, they aren't and shouldn't be above
criticism.
I know what you're talking about, though, Martin. There are some folks
who wouldn't say a good word about the Irvine bunch if they produced a
6-inch refractor ten times better than a Tak 150 for 1/10th the price.
On the other hand...what provoked this? Something other than a just
desire to stir the pot, I hope. Which this will no doubt do anyway...
;-)
Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland >
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 19:35:00
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Any time I buy something for a lot of money, I believe I have the
right to attempt to negotiate the terms of the purchase with a proviso
to protect myself from, say, the worst particular 8" telescope built
that week or whatever.
Spending 1 to 10 K on a scientific instrument without first having a
way to check out the instrument is probably not the optimal way to
approach the purchase.
It is like buying a used 911. If you are not a mechanic yourself and
you don't take a good one with you to check out the car you stand a
good chance of being unhappy.
Use common sense buying telescopes. They are less mass produced than
microscopes and will have a greater variation in optical quality
inside a production run. Like early VWs, the Monday car was always the
worst because of the consumption of beer in Germany on Sat and Sunday.
That is what the test drive was supposed to fix.
Buy something cold and untested and then ranting about what you got
and how upset you are never produces good results, it irritates the
people reading your post and it makes one look foolish.
I know this first hand by several times ignoring the above advice.
I've seen Cave 10" telescopes that were 1/20 wave p-v and I've seel
the same model come out at 1/2 wave p-v.
It is almost as problematic as social dating. :-)
Jim Klein
"RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>Martin R. Howell wrote:
>> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
>> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
>> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
>> fold.
>
>Hi:
>
>Meade makes good stuff and bad stuff. Just like Celestron, Vixen, and
>the other middle of the road (i.e. non custom/high quality)
>manufacturers. Both companies have been guilty of stepping on their
>users' toes in the past, and will no doubt continue to do so in the
>future.
>
>I like Meade gear. They are hardly perfect, however. And while the good
>outweighs the bad with 'em IMHO, they aren't and shouldn't be above
>criticism.
>
>I know what you're talking about, though, Martin. There are some folks
>who wouldn't say a good word about the Irvine bunch if they produced a
>6-inch refractor ten times better than a Tak 150 for 1/10th the price.
>
>On the other hand...what provoked this? Something other than a just
>desire to stir the pot, I hope. Which this will no doubt do anyway...
>
>;-)
>
>Peace,
>Rod Mollise
>Author of:
>Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
>and
>The Urban Astronomer's Guide
><http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 13:50:12
From: Bob Schmall
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
I'm so sorry.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 19:12:39
From: CeeBee
Subject: Re: Is this you?
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"Martin R. Howell" <martinhowell@pcgamegolfers.com > wrote in
sci.astro.amateur:
> You see something good posted about a Meade product and immediately launch
> a passive/aggressive attack on the company and/or its products -
> erroneously assuming that you have somehow positioned yourself above the
> fold.
I hope you feel better now.
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CeeBee
*** Democracy is not a spectator sport ***
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