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Date: 13 Sep 2006 04:52:51
From: lynt
Subject: I liked it better when....
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the off-topic nuts in this group concentrated on bones in coal and dinosaur
turds and God and things like that. All this U.S. politics and U.S.
conspiracy stuff is dull. At least all the ratbag pseudo-scientific stuff is
international.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 09:28:35
From: astronut
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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Ya know its not even necessary to point out your pure ignorance, you'll
figure it on your own someday.
Larry
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 07:37:24
From: astronut
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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Rick Evans wrote:
> "astronut" <Larry@universalastronomics.com> wrote in message
> news:1158153232.405172.6420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > "shut up and buy a telescope". I
>
> >
> > How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
> > increased military spending?
>
> According to Cash Fungible NASA space science funds were
> cut by NASA admins to fatten Moon, Mars and ISS human
> tourism.
Your answer ignores the fact that NASA's budget has been cut
repeatedly, for whatever excuse you want to give it, but always at the
expense of an increased military defense budget
> >Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this lack of funding?
>
> None. It was because of poor management decisions.
Scape goat excuses. But why really? Because they lacked the
funds/personnel to do the job correctly? Because those who made the
decisions were just beauracratic puppets tasked with making an
insufficient budget work to the best of their ability?
Refute my prior claim that the 911 commission report should be null
(and redone by true independents), due to the misuse of the word
"independent", or that NIST input should be considered biased due to
their plainly being a government organization. Their web address is
www.nist.GOV
Wake up America, this is real. Do you prefer to be the ones who look
back and wonder how you could have been so gullible? Or do you prefer
to be those who figured it out soon enough to help your fellow
Americans who only seek the truth and answers about 9/11.
Larry
Larry
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 15:13:02
From: Rick Evans
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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"astronut" <Larry@universalastronomics.com > wrote in message
news:1158158244.929242.318320@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rick Evans wrote:
>> "astronut" <Larry@universalastronomics.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158153232.405172.6420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > "shut up and buy a telescope". I
>>
>> >
>> > How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
>> > increased military spending?
>>
>> According to Cash Fungible NASA space science funds were
>> cut by NASA admins to fatten Moon, Mars and ISS human
>> tourism.
>
> Your answer ignores the fact that NASA's budget has been cut
> repeatedly, for whatever excuse you want to give it, but always at the
> expense of an increased military defense budget
Right. The ISS costs NASA nothing and the Moon/Mars tourism
initiative is free.
>
>> >Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this lack of funding?
>>
>> No. It was because of poor management decisions.
>
> Scape goat excuses. But why really? Because they lacked the
> funds/personnel to do the job correctly?
Gee. How much funds did it take to not launch on
a February day with icicles hanging from you vehicle?
Oh, and did I forget to mention the Challenger was launched
over strong prelaunch objections of engineers.
IAC I'm done here.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 06:29:49
From: astronut
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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Oh,
And quoted from NIST's home page- "NIST is a non-regulatory federal
agency within the U.S. Commerce Department's Technology
Administration".
So that means their "independent" investigations and conclusions are a
"conflict of interest" which clearly could represent the governments
agenda and not the interests of the American people.
So where is the "independent" investigation that many Americans are
requesting? Larry
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 06:13:52
From: astronut
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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"shut up and buy a telescope". I
I
suggest buying an American made one since their value will only
increase as time goes by and no one here in the states is producing
them anymore as our economy continues to crash. If you think this
doesn't affect us as Astronomers, think again-
How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
increased military spending? Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this
lack of funding?
Why does my daughter who 5 years in a row was on the dean's list thru
highschool and freshman college, is considered low income yet still
can't get more than $500-1000 in scholarships (which are mostly are
from private donations), has to work 3 jobs to afford it, but still
has to take out $8000 a year in student loans for which she'll owe
banks about $150,000-200,000 in interest before she's done paying them
off? And these are the scientists, Astronomers, Cosmologists of the
future that our government is failing to invest in.
"Supremacy in Space" is the current drine for the Bush
administration. "Superiority" I could by, but Supremecy means we will
have the power to deny others access to a place our entire planet has a
right to. Scientists from abroad, how do you feel about that?
So you are wrong if you think this doesn't affect us. I put this
together this morning-
Here is the general bios info of the members of the supposedly
"Independent" 911 Commission report, and feel free to follow the
links attached to each profile.
(read my commentary on the bottom of the page as well)-
Thomas H Keen
governor of New Jersey 1982-90, son is currently NJ state senator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_H._Kean
Lee H Hamilton
US House of Representatives 34 years, currently serves on the
presidents homeland security council
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_H._Hamilton
Richard Ben-Veniste
History of being a thorn in the side of many politicians but methods
and possible alliances questionable. Read the second link as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ben-Veniste
http://www.dcdave.com/article2/990124.html
Bob Kerry
governor (1983-87) and senator (1989-01) for Nebraska
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerry
Fred F. Fielding
Associate counsel for Nixon, and counsel to the president for Reagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_F._Fielding
John F. Lehman
American investment banker, secretary of the navy during the Reagan
administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Lehman
Jamie S. Gorelick
number two official in the U.S. Department of Justice during the
Clinton administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_S._Gorelick
Timothy J. Roemer
State representative 2001-2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_J._Roemer
Slade Gorton
US Senator from 1981-87, and 1989-2001 from Washington State
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slade_Gorton
James R. Thompson
Governor of Illinois 1977-91, former Us attorney for the northern
district of Illinois whose job it was to represent the United States in
civil and criminal litigation in court
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Thompson
And there you have it folks. These are the "independent"
individuals who drafted the current "Independent" 911 Commission
Report. Every one of them is a present or past politician,
irregardless of political party they belong to. This screams of
"conflict of interest" for all of them, and they are certainly not
the independent entities that we would like to see performing the task
of investigating 911 for the American people.
Larry
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 14:17:46
From: Rick Evans
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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"astronut" <Larry@universalastronomics.com > wrote in message
news:1158153232.405172.6420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "shut up and buy a telescope". I
>
> How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
> increased military spending?
According to Cash Fungible NASA space science funds were
cut by NASA admins to fatten Moon, Mars and ISS human
tourism.
>Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this lack of funding?
None. It was because of poor management decisions.
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Rick Evans
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:44:59
From: AM
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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astronut wrote:
> How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
> increased military spending? Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this
> lack of funding?
Well right now, we need the military a whole lot, so $$ have
to be spent there. Without soldiers, there can be no teachers
dors, and scientists. We really are at war right now...
(younger son getting ready to deploy to Iraq soon,)
IMHO, the shuttles were an extremely flawed idea from the start.
If we had gone the AF route in the 60's, we would have had
the X 20 Dyna Soar, which would have led to a family of space
vehicles, in a progressive, and orderly fashion. The shuttles
were a compromise right from the start. We are paying the price
for this over and over. NASA just cant seem to run itself
properly IMHO. Far as I'm concerned, NASA shot both of those
shuttles down, and no one else. It wasnt about $$, it was about
poor leadership ability, and political pressure. You can look it
up/read about it yourself... A real tragedy (s)
If Sanger, and Brandt could have only seen what their ideas led to !
> Why does my daughter who 5 years in a row was on the dean's list thru
> highschool and freshman college, is considered low income yet still
> can't get more than $500-1000 in scholarships (which are mostly are
> from private donations), has to work 3 jobs to afford it, but still
> has to take out $8000 a year in student loans for which she'll owe
> banks about $150,000-200,000
Yup $200,000+ is about right. What cost for our older kid for
five years at R.I.T (all on the deans list too) All the family
helped out, though he still owes a LOT. But he got the high paying
job, and is living in San Fransisco and doing very well. And...
paying off his student load (s) too. But it took an entire family
effort to help get him there. (cost of housing, food, you name it)
> "Supremacy in Space" is the current drine for the Bush
> administration.
I would worry about this. With the current world situation, this
will not be a factor for decades to come.
--
AM
http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 11:37:52
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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All bush is doing is giving lip service to those of use who have wanted man
to not only return to the moon but to keep on the long road that leads to
the stars someday. For funding what he has said we'd be doing, ya right,
with our troops in two countrys dieing each day and with gear that was made
by the cheapest builder and he's giving more money to those same 3rd class
builders, why he'll alone bring down the pop of the USA by a factor of 10 if
he was to stay in office. Thankfully he can't run again and his party has a
lot of people pissed off at them.
I do belive I hear the thunder of a flood that might sweap away a bunch of
his coneies.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
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"AM" <sctuser@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:9p6dnRRWJuOWGpTYnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> astronut wrote:
>
>> How many NASA projects have we seen cut because of NASA budget cuts and
>> increased military spending? Did we lose 2 shuttles because of this
>> lack of funding?
>
> Well right now, we need the military a whole lot, so $$ have
> to be spent there. Without soldiers, there can be no teachers
> dors, and scientists. We really are at war right now...
> (younger son getting ready to deploy to Iraq soon,)
>
> IMHO, the shuttles were an extremely flawed idea from the start.
> If we had gone the AF route in the 60's, we would have had
> the X 20 Dyna Soar, which would have led to a family of space
> vehicles, in a progressive, and orderly fashion. The shuttles
> were a compromise right from the start. We are paying the price
> for this over and over. NASA just cant seem to run itself
> properly IMHO. Far as I'm concerned, NASA shot both of those
> shuttles down, and no one else. It wasnt about $$, it was about
> poor leadership ability, and political pressure. You can look it
> up/read about it yourself... A real tragedy (s)
>
> If Sanger, and Brandt could have only seen what their ideas led to !
>
>
>> Why does my daughter who 5 years in a row was on the dean's list thru
>> highschool and freshman college, is considered low income yet still
>> can't get more than $500-1000 in scholarships (which are mostly are
>> from private donations), has to work 3 jobs to afford it, but still
>> has to take out $8000 a year in student loans for which she'll owe
>> banks about $150,000-200,000
>
> Yup $200,000+ is about right. What cost for our older kid for
> five years at R.I.T (all on the deans list too) All the family
> helped out, though he still owes a LOT. But he got the high paying
> job, and is living in San Fransisco and doing very well. And...
> paying off his student load (s) too. But it took an entire family
> effort to help get him there. (cost of housing, food, you name it)
>
>
>
>> "Supremacy in Space" is the current drine for the Bush
>> administration.
>
>
> I would worry about this. With the current world situation, this
> will not be a factor for decades to come.
>
>
>
> --
> AM
>
> http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
>
> CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 18:32:14
From: AM
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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Starlord wrote:
> All bush is doing is giving lip service to those of use who have wanted man
> to not only return to the moon but to keep on the long road that leads to
> the stars someday. For funding what he has said we'd be doing, ya right,
> with our troops in two countrys dieing each day and with gear that was made
> by the cheapest builder and he's giving more money to those same 3rd class
> builders, why he'll alone bring down the pop of the USA by a factor of 10 if
> he was to stay in office. Thankfully he can't run again and his party has a
> lot of people pissed off at them.
>
> I do belive I hear the thunder of a flood that might sweap away a bunch of
> his coneies.
>
Before we go to the stars we really need to either
get rid of NASA, or find some way to rehabilitate it.
In it's present state, they are a disaster...
We are NOT sending our troops overseas with 3d rate equipment,
matter of fact, you should see some of the gear, very well
thought out, and VERY good quality. You dont know what you are
talking about here. And every time you see those kid's on TV,
remember that to a man, they all volunteered to be there, and
quite a few of them have a better grasp on history than a lot
of people here.
I just wish that people like you would talk to them, before you
post on the net about what they go through. I have talked to a LOT
of soldiers who have been over in Iraq and Afghanistan already,
and your views are 180 degrees to their own.
I cant explain it to you as well as those who have been
there already. It would behoove you to search some of these soldiers
out and ask them yourself. You probably wouldnt like the answer (s) tho.....
If you have ANY proof of 3d rate equipment, either show the facts
or stop spouting falsehoods. You are rumor mongering at this point.
This dosnt help your point of view at all either...
The dem's should win this mid term, but with the fanatical left
in their leadership positions, it is a crap shoot. We can
have either the bumbling repub's, or the loony left.
Hate to tell you, but most of America is towards the center, and
given a choice, will vote for bumbling fools, over a radical
left agenda... Let's see shall wee ?
A good analogy of the dem's point of view right now is their reaction
to the 911 movie that just came out. It's perfectly OK for Michael
Moore's Fahrenheit 911 pack of mis truths, but if someone does anything
remotely in kind to their favorite pres (Clinton) all of a sudden they
are going crazy... What are they afraid of ?
This should say it all about their ideals !
--
AM
http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 15:54:09
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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I've talked to enough of the ones that have made it back to know otherwise.
Hummers are about the only good thing that keeps running, that is until it
rolls over something and gets blown up. tanks getting dust enough into their
engines that they brakedown, thankfully we had better stuff over in Vietnam.
I just came from a fellow vets trailer, gave him cpr for almost 30 mins
while the meat wagon and firemen came and took over.
No he's gone now, gone and crossed the field to forever stand guard with
others.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"AM" <sctuser@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:kZKdncKwZJDyRZTYnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Starlord wrote:
>> All bush is doing is giving lip service to those of use who have wanted
>> man to not only return to the moon but to keep on the long road that
>> leads to the stars someday. For funding what he has said we'd be doing,
>> ya right, with our troops in two countrys dieing each day and with gear
>> that was made by the cheapest builder and he's giving more money to those
>> same 3rd class builders, why he'll alone bring down the pop of the USA by
>> a factor of 10 if he was to stay in office. Thankfully he can't run again
>> and his party has a lot of people pissed off at them.
>>
>> I do belive I hear the thunder of a flood that might sweap away a bunch
>> of his coneies.
>>
>
>
> Before we go to the stars we really need to either
> get rid of NASA, or find some way to rehabilitate it.
> In it's present state, they are a disaster...
>
> We are NOT sending our troops overseas with 3d rate equipment,
> matter of fact, you should see some of the gear, very well
> thought out, and VERY good quality. You dont know what you are
> talking about here. And every time you see those kid's on TV,
> remember that to a man, they all volunteered to be there, and
> quite a few of them have a better grasp on history than a lot
> of people here.
> I just wish that people like you would talk to them, before you
> post on the net about what they go through. I have talked to a LOT
> of soldiers who have been over in Iraq and Afghanistan already,
> and your views are 180 degrees to their own.
> I cant explain it to you as well as those who have been
> there already. It would behoove you to search some of these soldiers
> out and ask them yourself. You probably wouldnt like the answer (s)
> tho.....
>
> If you have ANY proof of 3d rate equipment, either show the facts
> or stop spouting falsehoods. You are rumor mongering at this point.
> This dosnt help your point of view at all either...
>
>
>
> The dem's should win this mid term, but with the fanatical left
> in their leadership positions, it is a crap shoot. We can
> have either the bumbling repub's, or the loony left.
> Hate to tell you, but most of America is towards the center, and
> given a choice, will vote for bumbling fools, over a radical
> left agenda... Let's see shall wee ?
>
> A good analogy of the dem's point of view right now is their reaction
> to the 911 movie that just came out. It's perfectly OK for Michael Moore's
> Fahrenheit 911 pack of mis truths, but if someone does anything remotely
> in kind to their favorite pres (Clinton) all of a sudden they are going
> crazy... What are they afraid of ?
>
> This should say it all about their ideals !
>
>
>
>
> --
> AM
>
> http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
>
> CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 19:38:32
From: AM
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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Starlord wrote:
> I just came from a fellow vets trailer, gave him cpr for almost 30 mins
> while the meat wagon and firemen came and took over.
> No he's gone now, gone and crossed the field to forever stand guard with
> others.
>
>
Sorry about your buddy. I too have been in similar
circumstances, and no amount of physical pain can ever
equal the anguish of going through this with a loved one
or buddy. (even tho we disagree immensely, we can still
get along) Just the price of getting older I figure...
S!
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AM
http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 12:42:34
From: Thomas Mickle
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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"lynt" <tonyt92@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:D8MNg.28078$rP1.16359@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> the off-topic nuts in this group concentrated on bones in coal and
> dinosaur turds and God and things like that. All this U.S. politics and
> U.S. conspiracy stuff is dull. At least all the ratbag pseudo-scientific
> stuff is international.
]
Shut up and just buy a telescope.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 14:32:00
From: Ernie Dunbar
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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lynt wrote:
> the off-topic nuts in this group concentrated on bones in coal and dinosaur
> turds and God and things like that. All this U.S. politics and U.S.
> conspiracy stuff is dull. At least all the ratbag pseudo-scientific stuff is
> international.
You mean you liked it before His Royal Majesty and Dictator For Life of
the Democratic Kingdom of Kook, Daniel J. Min started posting here?
Yeah, he's been pretty active lately. Probably stopped taking his sane
pills. Again. I can't even imagine what will happen after the next
election. He'll probably be railing against the liberal media monopoly
or something like that.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 22:26:11
From: lynt
Subject: Re: I liked it better when....
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"Ernie Dunbar" <wallace.n.grommet@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158183120.612765.188150@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> lynt wrote:
>> the off-topic nuts in this group concentrated on bones in coal and
>> dinosaur
>> turds and God and things like that. All this U.S. politics and U.S.
>> conspiracy stuff is dull. At least all the ratbag pseudo-scientific stuff
>> is
>> international.
>
> You mean you liked it before His Royal Majesty and Dictator For Life of
> the Democratic Kingdom of Kook, Daniel J. Min started posting here?
>
> Yeah, he's been pretty active lately. Probably stopped taking his sane
> pills. Again. I can't even imagine what will happen after the next
> election. He'll probably be railing against the liberal media monopoly
> or something like that.
I confess that DJM never gets past my filter.
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