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Date: 24 Sep 2006 23:14:21
From: RichA
Subject: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 03:56:49
From: Thomas Mickleman
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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"RichA" <me@me.com > wrote in message
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> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
You could be right. We want to see results. Just what are they doing up
there
that benefits humanity? Are they just making it another example of
what -could- be,
in-ter-national-y;in the spirit of global co-operation and human endeavor to
the great unknown?
To the final frontier? around and round and round it goes where it will stop
nobody knows?
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 03:32:41
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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RichA wrote:
> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
If we had the ISS, at the expense of of the science missions studying
the Earth, Sun (err, I mean Marty) and other solar system objects, I
would agree with you--and have posted so in the past. But I am hoping
that Congress will make adequate appropriations so that we can make
significant progress in the science as well as manned space flight. The
$100 B has bought a lot more that the current ISS, but much technology
and product in our lives.
-Sam
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 03:45:18
From: Thomas Mickleman
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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> $100 B has bought a lot more that the current ISS, but much technology
> and product in our lives.
>
> -Sam
Oh yeah? Name one!
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 10:51:54
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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RichA wrote:
> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
At least they don't keep morphing their email address to defeat
everyone's kill filters, apparently after discovering nobody was reading
them anymore...
The ISS is worth every penny; it is the logical next step to a greater
presence in space, regardless of the many who have become so cynical and
jaded they can no longer see that.
The idea that the money spent on on the ISS would go to unmanned
exploration otherwise is so naive as to be laughable!
How someone combine such cynicism and naivate in the same paragraph is
beyond me.
Regardless, this isn't a topic for SAA and you are a misanthropic troll
and once again, PLONK.
Greg
--
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 10:57:33
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> RichA wrote:
>> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
>> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
>> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
>> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
>
> At least they don't keep morphing their email address to defeat
> everyone's kill filters, apparently after discovering nobody was reading
> them anymore...
>
> The ISS is worth every penny; it is the logical next step to a greater
> presence in space, regardless of the many who have become so cynical and
> jaded they can no longer see that.
>
> The idea that the money spent on on the ISS would go to unmanned
> exploration otherwise is so naive as to be laughable!
>
> How someone combine such cynicism and naivate in the same paragraph is
> beyond me.
>
> Regardless, this isn't a topic for SAA and you are a misanthropic troll
> and once again, PLONK.
Damn. I clicked "Send" instead of "Delete". Don't you hate it when
that happens? Well, it's not like I didn't mean every word I guess.
Anyhow, my apologies for the errant post.
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:33:26
From: jimz
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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The problem with the inernational space station is that
it is the international space station.
We should have done it alone, with perhaps help from
Canada, Great Britian and Australia.
I'll bet there's lots of corruption with the contracts.
Just look at the container the Italians built to carry
garbage back in the shuttle.
Even in space, the Italians get the trash hauling contract.
Go figure.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:18:21
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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But we Need to have a full time station in earth orbit, to me this satation
is far SHORT of what should have been built. A good full sized station could
be used to help send out some of those probes you are felling sorry for.
--
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Telescope Buyers FAQ
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"RichA" <me@me.com > wrote in message
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> It's only half done.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:35:27
From: RichIsaTroll
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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Right. Eleven nations, particularly the USA, should write-off the ISS
and solicit Rich the TROLL's spending ideas before doing anything else.
Get a girlfriend (or blowup doll) already.
AstroHoney
RichA wrote:
> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 22:41:15
From: RichA
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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On 25 Sep 2006 21:35:27 -0700, "RichIsaTroll" <RichIsaTroll@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Right. Eleven nations, particularly the USA, should write-off the ISS
>and solicit Rich the TROLL's spending ideas before doing anything else.
> Get a girlfriend (or blowup doll) already.
>
>AstroHoney
11 nations! How much did the 10 DEADBEATS pay for it?
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:13:49
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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You sound just like so many of those that say we souldn't even be in space
at all.
PONK
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"RichA" <me@me.com > wrote in message
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> On 25 Sep 2006 21:35:27 -0700, "RichIsaTroll" <RichIsaTroll@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Right. Eleven nations, particularly the USA, should write-off the ISS
>>and solicit Rich the TROLL's spending ideas before doing anything else.
>> Get a girlfriend (or blowup doll) already.
>>
>>AstroHoney
>
> 11 nations! How much did the 10 DEADBEATS pay for it?
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 19:58:04
From: RichA
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:13:49 -0700, "Starlord"
<starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > wrote:
>You sound just like so many of those that say we souldn't even be in space
>at all.
>
>PONK
You'd be 100% wrong there. I am all for SPACE travel. Not sitting
around some $220B junkpile of a hotel orbiting Earth endlessly.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 02:37:58
From: Wally
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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RichA wrote:
> It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
> it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
> have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
> piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
Fundamental malfunction in your maldum fornax - spend 32 cents on a pill
immeditely, you two faced cheapskate!
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:34:43
From: RichIsaTroll
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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Couch visionary are ya? Whatever TROLL!
AstroHoney
RichA wrote:
> You'd be 100% wrong there. I am all for SPACE travel. Not sitting
> around some $220B junkpile of a hotel orbiting Earth endlessly.
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 15:46:04
From: james
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:14:21 -0400, RichA <me@me.com > wrote:
>+++It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
>+++it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
>+++have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
>+++piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
*************
considering that the war in Iraq is closing in on $400 billion, I
would say it is money that is better spent than on Iraq. At least the
death toll is far less.
james
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 19:03:17
From: RichA
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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On Wed, 04 2006 15:46:04 GMT, james <george@washington.edu > wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:14:21 -0400, RichA <me@me.com> wrote:
>
>>+++It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
>>+++it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
>>+++have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
>>+++piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
>*************
>
>considering that the war in Iraq is closing in on $400 billion, I
>would say it is money that is better spent than on Iraq. At least the
>death toll is far less.
>
>james
"Two wrongs don't....."
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 14:06:00
From: james
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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On Wed, 04 2006 19:03:17 -0400, RichA <me@me.com > wrote:
>+++On Wed, 04 2006 15:46:04 GMT, james <george@washington.edu> wrote:
>+++
>+++>On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:14:21 -0400, RichA <me@me.com> wrote:
>+++>
>+++>>+++It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels on
>+++>>+++it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
>+++>>+++have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the biggest
>+++>>+++piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
>+++>*************
>+++>
>+++>considering that the war in Iraq is closing in on $400 billion, I
>+++>would say it is money that is better spent than on Iraq. At least the
>+++>death toll is far less.
>+++>
>+++>james
>+++
>+++"Two wrongs don't....."
************
Its not about two wrongs or any right.
Simply where priorities lies. Either action can be justified. So in
the perception of the beholder, the action is considered right.
Personally I would rather see about 1 trillion dollars spent elsewhere
but then this is not the forum for that line of discussion.
james
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 07:43:38
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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Just think, if that $400 billion could have been spent by NASA hell We'd be
on the moon already.
I want a space satation like the one in the movie 2001.
--
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Telescope Buyers FAQ
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"james" <george@washington.edu > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 2006 19:03:17 -0400, RichA <me@me.com> wrote:
>
>>+++On Wed, 04 2006 15:46:04 GMT, james <george@washington.edu> wrote:
>>+++
>>+++>On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:14:21 -0400, RichA <me@me.com> wrote:
>>+++>
>>+++>>+++It's only half done. They just spend $100m+ putting solar panels
>>on
>>+++>>+++it. When I think of how many good exploratory missions they could
>>+++>>+++have done with that money, it makes me sick. The ISS is the
>>biggest
>>+++>>+++piece of "space junk" the U.S. has ever orbited.
>>+++>*************
>>+++>
>>+++>considering that the war in Iraq is closing in on $400 billion, I
>>+++>would say it is money that is better spent than on Iraq. At least the
>>+++>death toll is far less.
>>+++>
>>+++>james
>>+++
>>+++"Two wrongs don't....."
> ************
>
> Its not about two wrongs or any right.
>
> Simply where priorities lies. Either action can be justified. So in
> the perception of the beholder, the action is considered right.
> Personally I would rather see about 1 trillion dollars spent elsewhere
> but then this is not the forum for that line of discussion.
>
> james
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 11:57:43
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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Starlord wrote:
> Just think, if that $400 billion could have been spent by NASA hell We'd be
> on the moon already.
Aw, come on. Just look at the figures: The Iraq war is costing about
$115 billion per year. Casualty figures are difficult to estimate, but
if we assume 50,000 people have died, that's $2.3 million per corpse.
NASA's budget is $16 billion per year and they kill an average of only
about 0.6 people per year, which works out to a whopping $27 billion per
corpse!
Clearly NASA isn't anywhere near efficient enough to earn the really big
bucks.
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 18:47:23
From: RichIsaTroll
Subject: Re: ISS may end up costing $500 billion
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RichA wrote:
> "Two wrongs don't....."
"If there's an idea in your head, it's in solitary confinement. Are you
always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? Well,
you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less,
too. As Ellen Glasgow once remarked: 'He knows so little and knows it
so fluently.'"
AstroHoney
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