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Date: 24 Jul 2006 12:25:21
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Subject: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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I'm thinking about picking up a Howie Glatter laser collimator and have
a few questions. First off, is there any reason to shell out an extra
$25 for a 635nm Holographic laser rather than a 650nm version? And
secondly, I'll probably only use it in my 2" focuser, but thought
perhaps I'd use the 2"/1.25" version in fellow astronomers' scopes. Is
there any advantage to getting the 2" instead of the more flexible
2"/1.25" version?
Thanks.
-Fleemo
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 18:27:49
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Sam,
Sure, and I'm the first person to admit I'm just as prone to mistakes
(possibly more) than the next guy but I would think that anyone who is
selling such a product would make other human mistakes...not one of
carlessness...after a big one of ...
Judgement...oh, let's seee...it's OK to bring it to BFSP???
When everyone, including those who sponsor BFSP say specifically NOT TO
bring it?
Nope, I'm sorry..
Yes, mistakes happen, yes accidents of all kinds happen...
But....
If you are told not to...
And you do it anyway...
Pretty big, fat mistake in judgement.
Too terribly bad if I decide NOT to purchase from this retailer:(
In any event, it could not have been my aqaintance but me or my
buddy...
A chilling thought...
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 17:21:07
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Besides which, that could have just as easily been me and it would have
been a huge mistake....I don't take tooo terribly kindly to folks who
want to poke my eye out either.
Only God knows what I would have done...:(
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 17:13:09
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Dennis,
I don't personally know him but I'm sorry I can't patronize someone who
is that careless.
He should have known better...the damage is done.
If I buy, I will buy from someone else.
Hey, this is America and in retailing if you can't give your customer
what he wants he can and does go elsewhere.
And that goes double for someone who is a potential customer.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:32:53
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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On 24 Jul 2006 17:13:09 -0700, "Ed" <ed1ward2@verizon.net > wrote:
>I don't personally know him but I'm sorry I can't patronize someone who
>is that careless.
>He should have known better...the damage is done.
No damage was done, and it was just a stupid accident. Howie makes a
good product and stands behind it. I have no problem dealing with him.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:09:14
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Ed wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> I don't personally know him but I'm sorry I can't patronize someone who
> is that careless.
> He should have known better...the damage is done.
>
> If I buy, I will buy from someone else.
>
> Hey, this is America and in retailing if you can't give your customer
> what he wants he can and does go elsewhere.
>
> And that goes double for someone who is a potential customer.
>
People make mistakes--there is nothing wrong with the excellent
product line. BTW the human eye is more sensitive to 635nm.
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 02:46:06
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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I was at BFSP but didn't see this happen. I think it's way overblown
since a powerful laser has to dwell before damage is done. There are
research papers written of people (about to have their eye removed)
staring into a laser for 20 minutes with no damage. I used to work with
a Yag laser that was a couple 100 watts. That one you had to watch out
for.
Howie is one hell of a nice guy and his products are top notch. I have
a 1.25" laser of his and it's dead square and has lasted several years
now. I would buy any product from him without hesitation.
I'd get the 2" personally unless you have a 1.25" focuser. Adding the
reducer adds error, no matter how good it is.
Tim
Sam Wormley wrote:
> Ed wrote:
>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> I don't personally know him but I'm sorry I can't patronize someone who
>> is that careless.
>> He should have known better...the damage is done.
>>
>> If I buy, I will buy from someone else.
>>
>> Hey, this is America and in retailing if you can't give your customer
>> what he wants he can and does go elsewhere.
>>
>> And that goes double for someone who is a potential customer.
>>
>
> People make mistakes--there is nothing wrong with the excellent
> product line. BTW the human eye is more sensitive to 635nm.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 23:34:49
From: Dennis Woos
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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> I'd get the 2" personally unless you have a 1.25" focuser. Adding the
> reducer adds error, no matter how good it is.
>
I think that the addition of the barlow when aligning the primary largely
corrects for any reducer error.
Dennis
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Date: 25 Jul 2006 00:50:41
From: Phil Wheeler
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Ed wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> I don't personally know him but I'm sorry I can't patronize someone who
> is that careless.
> He should have known better...the damage is done.
>
> If I buy, I will buy from someone else.
>
>
Your choice .. but Howie's products are all among the best (as in well
built) in their class.
Of course, being careless is a terminal sin, and any of us who are
should be banished for life ;)
Phil
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 17:09:47
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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Mij,
He caught Gary Honis.
I know Gary from POLC and saw him last
BFSP...he is ok but still goes to the eye dr.
He was messing around with it...I didn't see it happen but I was there.
His wife told him to cut it out and then it happened.
Honestly, coming from a retailing family, I don't want to patronize
someone who is
that careless.
If I get one sometime, I will buy from a more reputable dealer.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 17:26:44
From: Dennis Woos
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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> I'm thinking about picking up a Howie Glatter laser collimator and have
> a few questions. First off, is there any reason to shell out an extra
> $25 for a 635nm Holographic laser rather than a 650nm version? And
> secondly, I'll probably only use it in my 2" focuser, but thought
> perhaps I'd use the 2"/1.25" version in fellow astronomers' scopes. Is
> there any advantage to getting the 2" instead of the more flexible
> 2"/1.25" version?
The 635mm laser is easier to see, and this can be a factor if using it in
bright sunlight. I got the 635nm, but I don't know that the 650nm wouldn't
have been fine. I would get the 1.25" version. You will need a good 2" to
1.25" adapter, but you need this anyway as it is likely that your high-power
eyepieces are 1.25". I didn't get his barlow, as I use my own. Finally,
Howie is a great guy, supports many clubs and astro events, makes a great
collimator, and stands by his products 110%.
Dennis
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 14:11:30
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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I have no idea how well his stuff works but I wonder if other vendors
have the same.
Personally, I wouldn't take buy anything from the guy since he has no
common sense at all.
I still have not forgiven him for his "antics" at the Black Forest Star
Party a few years ago when he inadvertantly lasered someone's eye
especially since BFSP rules prohibited these Green Lasers.
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Date: 24 Jul 2006 14:55:29
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Howie Glatter Laser Collimators
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How did he laser someone's eye? I hope that the pointer that he used was
less than 5mw otherwise he may have done some real damage. Maybe the person
that he lasered wanted to have Lasik. :-)
"Ed" <ed1ward2@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1153775490.001645.149480@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
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> I have no idea how well his stuff works but I wonder if other vendors
> have the same.
> Personally, I wouldn't take buy anything from the guy since he has no
> common sense at all.
>
> I still have not forgiven him for his "antics" at the Black Forest Star
> Party a few years ago when he inadvertantly lasered someone's eye
> especially since BFSP rules prohibited these Green Lasers.
>
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