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Date: 26 Jul 2006 15:24:45
From: canopus56
Subject: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
sci.astro.amateur as an example:
http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
a text string within the body of a message.
This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
technique.
Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
relevant threads for further reading in depth.
- Canopus56
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 03:13:49
From: Terry B
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted to
more than 1 N/G?
It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
Thanks
Terry B
"canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153952685.401521.208250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
> sci.astro.amateur as an example:
>
http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
>
> The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
> bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
> where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
> trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
> filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
> characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
> in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
> computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
> remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
> is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
> For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
> a text string within the body of a message.
>
> This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
> step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
> positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
> technique.
>
> Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
> knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
> a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
> Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
> connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
> that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
> person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
> connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
> mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
> relevant threads for further reading in depth.
>
> - Canopus56
>
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 23:57:07
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au > wrote in message
news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted to
> more than 1 N/G?
> It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
> groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in MS
Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
I have not installed Firefox, but would be interested to know if it's
newsreader provides that functionality.
- Canopus56
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 08:53:58
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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While reading/displaying the message you move pointer to "Block Sender"
click on it, in a second or two a box will come up saying something that
XXXXXXX@XXXXXX will be blocked is this what you want, something along those
lines, you click on ok and the address is added to the killfile and the
message is deleted from view.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
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http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"canopus56" <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote in message
news:44c855cc$0$26146$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net...
> "Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted
>> to
>> more than 1 N/G?
>> It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
>> groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
>
> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in
> MS Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
>
> I have not installed Firefox, but would be interested to know if it's
> newsreader provides that functionality.
>
> - Canopus56
>
>
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 10:50:03
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > wrote in message
news:n4SdnVpH25_pflXZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@inreach.com...
> While reading/displaying the message you move pointer to "Block Sender"
> click on it, in a second or two a box will come up saying something that
> XXXXXXX@XXXXXX will be blocked is this what you want, something along
> those lines, you click on ok and the address is added to the killfile and
> the message is deleted from view.
Starlord, a good tip - that I also use - but it does not work reliably in
the era of identity morphing right-wing bloggers and persons with mental
health problems. Such persons are savy enough to morph their identities,
sometimes every two or three days, to defeat specific identity based
kill-filing. For better or for use, many newsreaders now come with utilities
that aid and encourage identity morphing as a means to protect net
anonimity. - Canopus56
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 00:45:42
From: John Nichols
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"canopus56" <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote in message
news:44c8eec2$0$26160$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net...
> "Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info> wrote in message
> news:n4SdnVpH25_pflXZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@inreach.com...
>> While reading/displaying the message you move pointer to "Block Sender"
>> click on it, in a second or two a box will come up saying something that
>> XXXXXXX@XXXXXX will be blocked is this what you want, something along
>> those lines, you click on ok and the address is added to the killfile and
>> the message is deleted from view.
>
> Starlord, a good tip - that I also use - but it does not work reliably in
> the era of identity morphing right-wing bloggers and persons with mental
> health problems. Such persons are savy enough to morph their identities,
> sometimes every two or three days, to defeat specific identity based
> kill-filing. For better or for use, many newsreaders now come with
> utilities that aid and encourage identity morphing as a means to protect
> net anonimity. - Canopus56
>
Actually, what I find almost as bad are the people who _reply_ to the
crosspost that have been put up by people I've killfilled. I'd never see
the crap if that didn't happen. This leaves me with no recourse but to
killfile people who don't have enough sense to either ignore the trolls or
the good sense to not crosspost their equally off topic responses.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:08:15
From: bob
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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I think you mean Thunderbird, Firefox's mail companion program, but no, I
don't believe it can be set to recognize crossposts. I could well be wrong
though. Nfilter works very well for this purpose.
--
Bob
Travel and Astronomy Photos
http://www3.sympatico.ca/bomo
"canopus56" <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote in message
news:44c855cc$0$26146$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net...
> "Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted
to
> > more than 1 N/G?
> > It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
> > groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
>
> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in
MS
> Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
>
> I have not installed Firefox, but would be interested to know if it's
> newsreader provides that functionality.
>
> - Canopus56
>
>
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 07:39:11
From: William Hamblen
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:57:07 -0600, "canopus56"
<canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote:
>To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
>Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in MS
>Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
>
>I have not installed Firefox, but would be interested to know if it's
>newsreader provides that functionality.
Thunderbird has the news reader. It filters news articles only on
author and subject, however.
I believe the freeware news reader xnews will filter out excessively
cross posted articles. See http://xnews.newsguy.com/. Xnews is being
actively maintained.
The freeware program Newsproxy can be installed as a pre-filter to
filter on the xref or newsgroups header to filter out excessively
crossposted articles. Look for the files np-120.exe for the binaries
and np-120.zip for the sources at http://www.nfilter.org/. Newsproxy
is not being maintained. It is a win32 program but the self
extracting archive does not run on Windows 2000 or XP. You can install
Newsproxy by unzipping the np-120.exe file manually in a temporary
folder and running the setup.exe that you extracted. Rename
np-120.exe to np-120.zip in order to unzip it manually.
Bud
--
The night is just the shadow of the Earth.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:56:23
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"William Hamblen" <wrhamblen@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:sgbhc256dr7321j99jngikp3j53n72k28u@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:57:07 -0600, "canopus56"
> <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
<snip >
> I believe the freeware news reader xnews will filter out excessively
> cross posted articles. See http://xnews.newsguy.com/. Xnews is being
> actively maintained. The freeware program Newsproxy can be installed as a
> pre-filter to
> filter on the xref or newsgroups header to filter out excessively
> crossposted articles. Look for the files np-120.exe for the binaries
> and np-120.zip for the sources at http://www.nfilter.org/. <snip>
Thanks, Bill. I'll look at them. - Canopus56
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 06:59:15
From: VicXnews
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"canopus56" <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote in
news:44c855cc$0$26146$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net:
> "Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted
>> to more than 1 N/G?
>> It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to
>> many groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
>
> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile
> in MS Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
>
> I have not installed Firefox, but would be interested to know if it's
> newsreader provides that functionality.
>
> - Canopus56
>
>
It's easy to do with xnews...
http://www.download.com/3000-2164-10144167.html
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 21:54:06
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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That's what the KILLFILE does.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au > wrote in message
news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted to
> more than 1 N/G?
> It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
> groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
> Thanks
>
> Terry B
>
> "canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153952685.401521.208250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
>> sci.astro.amateur as an example:
>>
> http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
>>
>> The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
>> bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
>> where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
>> trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
>> filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
>> characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
>> in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
>> computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
>> remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
>> is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
>> For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
>> a text string within the body of a message.
>>
>> This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
>> step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
>> positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
>> technique.
>>
>> Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
>> knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
>> a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
>> Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
>> connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
>> that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
>> person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
>> connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
>> mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
>> relevant threads for further reading in depth.
>>
>> - Canopus56
>>
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 05:03:05
From: Terry B
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > wrote in message
news:Hu6dnWUBeYaJ1FXZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@inreach.com...
> That's what the KILLFILE does.
>
Dear Dennis
I agree that the kill file is good but the pests keep changing their ID to
circumvent this.
The title give it away mostly but not always and I can not see if it is
cross posted until I click on it.
Best wished from down under where it is currently colder than you guys.
Terry B
Armdale
Australia
> The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
>
> Telescope Buyers FAQ
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord
> Sidewalk Astronomy
> www.sidewalkastronomy.info
> Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
> In Garden Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
> Blast Off Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
> Astro Blog
> http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
>
>
>
>
> "Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:NbWxg.1394$rP1.1185@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted
to
> > more than 1 N/G?
> > It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross posted to many
> > groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Terry B
> >
> > "canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153952685.401521.208250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
> >> sci.astro.amateur as an example:
> >>
> >
http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
> >>
> >> The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
> >> bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
> >> where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
> >> trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
> >> filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
> >> characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
> >> in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
> >> computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
> >> remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
> >> is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
> >> For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
> >> a text string within the body of a message.
> >>
> >> This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
> >> step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
> >> positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
> >> technique.
> >>
> >> Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
> >> knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
> >> a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
> >> Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
> >> connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
> >> that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
> >> person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
> >> connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
> >> mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
> >> relevant threads for further reading in depth.
> >>
> >> - Canopus56
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 09:00:36
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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That's WHY I only get the Headers, that way I see the title and most of the
time don't fall for the same bunch of garbage, if I get tired of seeing that
title from others, I use the message rules to set it up so that message is
never but never seen on my screen again. Right now my message rules covers
some 100+ messages and my killfile another 200 kooks and this covers the
almost 45 newsgroups I'm on.
You can never be 100 free of them, for others very offen quote back all the
garbage instead of cutting it out, yes I've slipped up and did it myself,
but I offen at lest try to remember to trim the trash out.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"Terry B" <bohlsen@optusnet.nospam.com.au > wrote in message
news:dUgyg.2091$rP1.1390@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info> wrote in message
> news:Hu6dnWUBeYaJ1FXZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@inreach.com...
>> That's what the KILLFILE does.
>>
>
>
> Dear Dennis
> I agree that the kill file is good but the pests keep changing their ID to
> circumvent this.
> The title give it away mostly but not always and I can not see if it is
> cross posted until I click on it.
>
> Best wished from down under where it is currently colder than you guys.
>
> Terry B
> Armdale
> Australia
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:15:51
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153952685.401521.208250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
> sci.astro.amateur as an example:
> http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
>
> The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
> bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
> where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
> trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
> filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
> characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
> in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
> computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
> remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
> is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
> For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
> a text string within the body of a message.
>
> This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
> step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
> positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
> technique.
>
> Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
> knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
> a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
> Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
> connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
> that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
> person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
> connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
> mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
> relevant threads for further reading in depth.
>
> - Canopus56
>
For those fortunate enough to possess one, the human brain is a foolproof
filter.
In most cases all the brain needs is a look at the topic and the sender --
usually these two items contain all the information a standard human brain
needs to filter out unwanted messages. In cases where the sender has a
phony subject line or identity, the normal human brain can tell after
reading the first one or two lines of the message if there is anything to be
gained by reading on.
My 61-year-old brain is not as nimble as it once was and at times it's a bit
foggy -- especially under the influence of Don Julio Silver tequila or Wild
Turkey Rare Breed -- but -- it's still the best filter I've ever found.
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Date: 26 Jul 2006 16:14:39
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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If I don't want to killfile the person themselves, there's always the
"Message Rule" to use and I can kill off a whole thread of a message with
them. So between the killfile and the message rules I see a lot less than I
would.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
In Garden Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
Blast Off Online Gift Shop
http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153952685.401521.208250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Step-by-by guide for setting up in MS Outlook Express using
> sci.astro.amateur as an example:
> http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/notes/Outlookfiltering.html
>
> The overrunning of usenet news groups by net trolls, right-wing facist
> bloggers and persons with mental health problems has reached the point
> where most unmoderated usenet newsgroups have become unuseable. Such
> trollers have become more skilled at defeating negative software
> filters. Negative software filters work by identifying some unique
> characteristic of the poster (mail name, source domain, unique string
> in posts) and the blocking that message. To defeat negative filters,
> computer skilled trolls use morphing identities and anonymous
> remailers. The widely distributed Microsoft Outlook Express news reader
> is not very robust against these negative filter defeating techniques.
> For example, in Outlook Express, it is not possible to filter based on
> a text string within the body of a message.
>
> This note discusses an alternative filtering solution and provides a
> step-by-step guide for setting up Outlook Express to filter based on a
> positive filtering, coined here, as the connector-maven filtering
> technique.
>
> Positive filters are based on the assumption that a small number of
> knowledgeable contributors can be used to identify on-point threads in
> a newsgroup. In Malcolm Gladwell's 2000 book, The Tipping Point,
> Gladwell identified socially influential gorup participants as
> connectors and mavens. Connectors are persons with wide social circles
> that are the "hubs" of human social networks. Mavens are knowledgeable
> person with expertise in a particular area. Positive filtering by the
> connector-maven technique involves identifying the connectors and
> mavens in group and first only reviewing their posts to identify
> relevant threads for further reading in depth.
>
> - Canopus56
>
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 04:45:18
From: Al
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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canopus56 wrote:
> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in MS
> Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
Yes, there is a way to killfile cross-posted garbage:
1. Determine which of the crossposted groups you are not interested in
(e.g. alt.astrology) and subscribe to it
2. Then, using Tools > Message Rules > News... New
Create a new rule with:
Where message is on a specified newsgroup (e.g. alt.astrology)
- Delete it
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:27:10
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"Al" <astronomer@mailinator.com > wrote in message
news:1154000718.445453.261980@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> canopus56 wrote:
>>If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in MS
>> Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
> Yes, there is a way to killfile cross-posted garbage:
> 1. Determine which of the crossposted groups you are not interested in
> (e.g. alt.astrology) and subscribe to it
> 2. Then, using Tools > Message Rules > News... New
> Create a new rule with: Where message is on a specified
> newsgroup (e.g. alt.astrology) - Delete it
That's a good tip, that I have seen you post before. The problem I had with
this technique is that it requires the user to subscribe to alt.astrology
and then to incur the bandwidth time and desktop clutter cost of downloading
all the message headings from IMHO an unwanted newsgroup.
That's what I perceive to be the deficiency in MS Outlook filtering. You
should just be able to put in a series of newsgroup name strings and be able
to negative block filter on that without actually subscribing to the
newsgroup.
But, I'll give the idea another another look-see. Thanks - Canopus56
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 06:10:36
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Why not just read the subject and skip reading it? That is a lot easier.
"Al" <astronomer@mailinator.com > wrote in message
news:1154000718.445453.261980@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> canopus56 wrote:
>
>> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
>> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile in
>> MS
>> Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
>
> Yes, there is a way to killfile cross-posted garbage:
>
> 1. Determine which of the crossposted groups you are not interested in
> (e.g. alt.astrology) and subscribe to it
>
> 2. Then, using Tools > Message Rules > News... New
> Create a new rule with:
> Where message is on a specified newsgroup (e.g. alt.astrology)
> - Delete it
>
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:50:23
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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"Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com > wrote in message
news:gX2yg.16658$Nv.487@fed1read10...
> Why not just read the subject and skip reading it? That is a lot easier.
> <snip all>
It's not easier. Using the postive connector-maven filter technique for the
last week, I only have to review 3 to 6 on-topic high-content messages a day
in this group. Now, it just takes a couple of minutes to find and read a
few high-content on-topic messages, instead of having to wade to through
volumes of offensive and off-topic materials. The avalanche of irresponsbile
"free speech" abuse from by unwanted right-wing facist bloggers and the
mentally ill who cross-post off-topic materials is filtered out and does not
waste my time and energy. If effective techniques for filtering can be
found, this group becomes a much more enjoyable experience as compared to
taking excessive amounts of time and social energy to read through trash
headers to find the good stuff.
The socially irresponsbile abuse of free-speech rights by facist bloggers
and the mentally ill imposes an unwanted social cost on me and this group by
driving away other like minded amateurs. What the potential newbie sees on
entering the group is a lunie-bin with unnecessary social overhead, instead
of an amenable place to get good information.
- Canopus56
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 13:03:58
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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I use another better way to do my filtering at the first stage. I get JUST
the listing of titles of all messages (after my killfile has already deleted
those in it) and if I then want to read that message I click on it and only
that message is downloaded.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
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http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
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http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
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http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
Astro Blog
http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
"canopus56" <canopus56@NOyahooSPAM.com > wrote in message
news:44c8e0c9$0$26132$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net...
> It's not easier. Using the postive connector-maven filter technique for
> the last week, I only have to review 3 to 6 on-topic high-content messages
> a day in this group. Now, it just takes a couple of minutes to find and
> read a few high-content on-topic messages, instead of having to wade to
> through volumes of offensive and off-topic materials.
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 00:39:03
From: Florian
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the
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> Why not just read the subject and skip reading it? That is a lot easier.
That's exactly what i do. Works pretty good.
-Florian
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 00:44:59
From: Florian
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the
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Another comment... I don't use a killfile or have anyone "plonked". Seriously everyone, just read the subject line. It's not that hard to avoid the stupid threads. And when you do see a stupid post just type "N" or whatever in your client to go to the next post.
-Florian
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 13:21:08
From: bob
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Actually, it's a lot easier to just not see the posts at all. For all the
newsgroups I subscribe to, I'd just as soon filter out all crossposted
messages. Sure, some will be legit - I mean, they aren't all crackpots - but
I'll just miss those posts. I don't mind.
--
Bob
Travel and Astronomy Photos
http://www3.sympatico.ca/bomo
"Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com > wrote in message
news:gX2yg.16658$Nv.487@fed1read10...
> Why not just read the subject and skip reading it? That is a lot easier.
>
> "Al" <astronomer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:1154000718.445453.261980@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > canopus56 wrote:
> >
> >> To my knowledge no. That is one of the more glaring deficiences of MS
> >> Outlook Express filters. If anyone else knows a technique to killfile
in
> >> MS
> >> Outlook Express based on cross-posting, please speak up.
> >
> > Yes, there is a way to killfile cross-posted garbage:
> >
> > 1. Determine which of the crossposted groups you are not interested in
> > (e.g. alt.astrology) and subscribe to it
> >
> > 2. Then, using Tools > Message Rules > News... New
> > Create a new rule with:
> > Where message is on a specified newsgroup (e.g. alt.astrology)
> > - Delete it
> >
>
>
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 07:33:32
From: canopus56
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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Terry B wrote:
> Is there any way of filtering that just deletes any post that is posted to
> more than 1 N/G? It seems that almost all of the spam and rubbish is cross
> posted to many groups and very little of the relevant stuff is cross posted.
For Microsoft Outlook Express, it appears there is not. See other
posts in this thread. I also have checked in an MS newsgroup:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
and historical posts there by MS certified "MVP"s indicate that it
cannot be done.
Other good posters in this thread have suggested alternative news
readers that will filter on cross posts. The only solution for MS O.E.
that I have not tracked down is the suggestion in this thread to use a
desktop proxy newsserver.
- Canopus56
P.S. - It seems that we have Bill Gates to thank for this. While MS
Outlook Express, the most widely distributed newsreader, includes
utilities to support identity morphing, it does not include a feature
to block cross-posting. Now if we could just get Bill to give back
some of the $20 billion charitable donation so MS could afford to fix
their software -:) .
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Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:56:06
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: How to filter a usenet group with MS Outlook Express using the connecter-maven technique
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On 28 Jul 2006 07:33:32 -0700, "canopus56" <canopus56@yahoo.com > wrote:
>P.S. - It seems that we have Bill Gates to thank for this. While MS
>Outlook Express, the most widely distributed newsreader, includes
>utilities to support identity morphing, it does not include a feature
>to block cross-posting. Now if we could just get Bill to give back
>some of the $20 billion charitable donation so MS could afford to fix
>their software -:) .
To be fair, other email clients that (secondarily) support newsgroups
are similarly incapable of filtering on cross-posts. Even some major
dedicated newsreaders can't do it.
Usenet users are such a tiny percentage of Internet users that I think
there is very little development going on in that area.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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