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Date: 22 Sep 2006 20:25:20
From: Chief Detective
Subject: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

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WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...

Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
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*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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Date: 22 Sep 2006 22:13:55
From: Martin Willett
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Chief Detective wrote:
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>
> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>
> Enjoy!
> Daniel Joseph Min
> __________________________________________________________

May the gods protect us from fundamentalist agnostics!

--

Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/

Date: 22 Sep 2006 20:38:24
From: Cary Kittrell
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Chief Detective <anon@comments.header >
>
> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>
> Enjoy!
> Daniel Joseph Min

No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
astrology.

-- cary

Date: 22 Sep 2006 20:18:23
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Date: 22 Sep 2006 18:24:20
From: Greywolf
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu > wrote in message
news:ef1hk0$90t$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> Chief Detective <anon@comments.header>
>>
>> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
>> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
>> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
>> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
>> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
>> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
>> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
>> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Daniel Joseph Min
>
>
> No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
> their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
> in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
> astrology.
>
>
> -- cary

Atheism is not a 'religion'. So I don't know why we were included in this
'hit' list. Second, what would a 'fundamentalist' atheist look like? There
is nothing to indicate that a 'God' exists. That's it. Is there a form of
atheism that says there *is* 'proof' for the existence of a 'God' and that
these 'moderate' atheists differ from 'fundamentalist' atheists? Does that
make *any* sense to members of this NG?

(And, 'Yes', it *is* easy to pick on a group who insist that what they
espouse is true as 'true' can be, yet cannot prove their beliefs to be true
to save their lives. Their whole belief system is built upon one brazen lie
after another. They have waged a malicious war on Science. And for that
alone they deserve derision.)

The gist of the 'message' is true however. There should be no 'sacred cows'
when it comes to reporting the truth.

Greywolf

Date: 23 Sep 2006 04:39:17
From: Matt Silberstein
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:24:20 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Greywolf"
<greywolf@cybrzn.com > in <12h8s5cqvm6bue5@corp.supernews.com> wrote:

>
>"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>news:ef1hk0$90t$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> Chief Detective <anon@comments.header>
>>>
>>> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
>>> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
>>> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
>>> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
>>> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
>>> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
>>> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
>>> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>> Daniel Joseph Min
>>
>>
>> No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
>> their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
>> in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
>> astrology.
>>
>>
>> -- cary
>
>Atheism is not a 'religion'. So I don't know why we were included in this
>'hit' list. Second, what would a 'fundamentalist' atheist look like?

I don't know about looks, but I see posts from what I consider to be
Fundamentalist Atheists. They are frequently evangelizing for one. For
another they seem convinced that the Bible is either a completely true
literal description of actual events or it is worthless, a position
they share with Fundamentalists Christians (the two groups just differ
on whether or not the Bible is, in fact, true in that way). They both
seem to think there are only two possible positions: Fundamentalist
Christianity or atheism.

> There
>is nothing to indicate that a 'God' exists. That's it.

Sorry, but plenty of atheists do have other views.

>Is there a form of
>atheism that says there *is* 'proof' for the existence of a 'God' and that
>these 'moderate' atheists differ from 'fundamentalist' atheists? Does that
>make *any* sense to members of this NG?
>
>(And, 'Yes', it *is* easy to pick on a group who insist that what they
>espouse is true as 'true' can be, yet cannot prove their beliefs to be true
>to save their lives. Their whole belief system is built upon one brazen lie
>after another. They have waged a malicious war on Science. And for that
>alone they deserve derision.)
>
>The gist of the 'message' is true however. There should be no 'sacred cows'
>when it comes to reporting the truth.

There are atheists who insist that they have proof there is no God.
They insist that anyone who disagrees with them is deluded or a moron
(or both).

--
Matt Silberstein

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Date: 23 Sep 2006 01:10:28
From: Rick
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Greywolf wrote in message <12h8s5cqvm6bue5@corp.supernews.com >...
[snip]

>Atheism is not a 'religion'. So I don't know why we were included in this
>'hit' list. Second, what would a 'fundamentalist' atheist look like?

Got a picture of Frederic L. Rice or Quibbler?

- Rick

Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:10:11
From: Bob Cain
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Greywolf wrote:
> "Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:ef1hk0$90t$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> Chief Detective <anon@comments.header>
>>> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
>>> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
>>> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
>>> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
>>> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
>>> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
>>> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
>>> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>> Daniel Joseph Min
>>
>> No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
>> their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
>> in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
>> astrology.
>>
>>
>> -- cary
>
> Atheism is not a 'religion'.

Sure it is. It's radical, fundamentalist agnosticism.

Only atheists move from absence of evidence to proof of absence
without skipping a beat. That's faith, my man, pure and simple.

Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein

Date: 22 Sep 2006 23:46:39
From:
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

Matt Silberstein wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:24:20 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Greywolf"
> <greywolf@cybrzn.com> in <12h8s5cqvm6bue5@corp.supernews.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> >news:ef1hk0$90t$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> >> Chief Detective <anon@comments.header>
> >>>
> >>> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
> >>> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
> >>> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
> >>> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
> >>> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
> >>> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
> >>> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
> >>> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy!
> >>> Daniel Joseph Min
> >>
> >>
> >> No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
> >> their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
> >> in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
> >> astrology.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- cary
> >
> >Atheism is not a 'religion'. So I don't know why we were included in this
> >'hit' list. Second, what would a 'fundamentalist' atheist look like?
>
> I don't know about looks, but I see posts from what I consider to be
> Fundamentalist Atheists. They are frequently evangelizing for one. For

What do so called 'fundamentalist atheists' frequently evangelise?

> another they seem convinced that the Bible is either a completely true
> literal description of actual events or it is worthless, a position
> they share with Fundamentalists Christians (the two groups just differ
> on whether or not the Bible is, in fact, true in that way). They both
> seem to think there are only two possible positions: Fundamentalist
> Christianity or atheism.

So it boils down to you being a Christian being insulted that athiest
would dare challenge your view on the world? What do Christians believe
about the Egyptian gods and goddesses?

>
> > There
> >is nothing to indicate that a 'God' exists. That's it.
>
> Sorry, but plenty of atheists do have other views.

"There is no God" is the atheist view, what other views might there be?
That he kinda exists? That wouldn't be atheism them.

>
> >Is there a form of
> >atheism that says there *is* 'proof' for the existence of a 'God' and that
> >these 'moderate' atheists differ from 'fundamentalist' atheists? Does that
> >make *any* sense to members of this NG?
> >
> >(And, 'Yes', it *is* easy to pick on a group who insist that what they
> >espouse is true as 'true' can be, yet cannot prove their beliefs to be true
> >to save their lives. Their whole belief system is built upon one brazen lie
> >after another. They have waged a malicious war on Science. And for that
> >alone they deserve derision.)
> >
> >The gist of the 'message' is true however. There should be no 'sacred cows'
> >when it comes to reporting the truth.
>
> There are atheists who insist that they have proof there is no God.

So without proof they think God exists? I wonder what the definition of
'atheist' you're looking at.

> They insist that anyone who disagrees with them is deluded or a moron
> (or both).
>

That would be tarring a whole wodge of people unfairly. You can have
your religion, just don't stick it in to people's faces like Min does.

Date: 23 Sep 2006 12:39:06
From: Matt Silberstein
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

On 22 Sep 2006 23:46:39 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
incredulous_cat@yahoo.co.uk in
<1158993999.687825.89080@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com > wrote:

>
>Matt Silberstein wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:24:20 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Greywolf"
>> <greywolf@cybrzn.com> in <12h8s5cqvm6bue5@corp.supernews.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> >news:ef1hk0$90t$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>> >> Chief Detective <anon@comments.header>
>> >>>
>> >>> WHILE IT'S EASY to pick on Christian fundamentalists, e.g.
>> >>> who believe with all their hearts (I would add minds, but
>> >>> apparently not) that God's entire Universe was created in
>> >>> six, contiguous, real-time solar Earth days; while anyone
>> >>> can pick on them, too many other similarly fundamentalist-
>> >>> types of other religious persuasions, Atheists, Agnostics,
>> >>> Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. etc., they too are
>> >>> equally deserving to be "picked on" from time to time...
>> >>>
>> >>> Enjoy!
>> >>> Daniel Joseph Min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No, instead let's pick on those who believe with all
>> >> their hearts (I would add minds, but apparently not)
>> >> in ghosts, UFOs, free energy, ESP, homeopathy, and
>> >> astrology.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- cary
>> >
>> >Atheism is not a 'religion'. So I don't know why we were included in this
>> >'hit' list. Second, what would a 'fundamentalist' atheist look like?
>>
>> I don't know about looks, but I see posts from what I consider to be
>> Fundamentalist Atheists. They are frequently evangelizing for one. For
>
>What do so called 'fundamentalist atheists' frequently evangelise?

That there is no god.

>> another they seem convinced that the Bible is either a completely true
>> literal description of actual events or it is worthless, a position
>> they share with Fundamentalists Christians (the two groups just differ
>> on whether or not the Bible is, in fact, true in that way). They both
>> seem to think there are only two possible positions: Fundamentalist
>> Christianity or atheism.
>
>So it boils down to you being a Christian being insulted that athiest
>would dare challenge your view on the world? What do Christians believe
>about the Egyptian gods and goddesses?

Astounding. In any given week I am told I am a Christian, a Jew, and
an atheist. There are too many people who can't seem to recognize that
someone would defend an argument, but disagree with the conclusion.
You have just shown one of the qualities I described: you divide the
world into atheists and Christians. And no, I was not insulted that
someone challenge my worldview, my worldview is not in question here.
You want to challenge a position I take, great. Provide argument and
evidence and we can go at it.

>>
>> > There
>> >is nothing to indicate that a 'God' exists. That's it.
>>
>> Sorry, but plenty of atheists do have other views.
>
>"There is no God" is the atheist view, what other views might there be?

That there is no God, for example. Here you play another game familiar
among Fundamentalist Christians. Internally you see all kinds of
gradations of strong and weak, but externally you claim to be of one
mind. Sorry, but athe*ists* hold a wide range of views. A given flavor
of athe*ism* may be simple in description, but that does not make the
views simple.

>That he kinda exists? That wouldn't be atheism them.
>

>> >Is there a form of
>> >atheism that says there *is* 'proof' for the existence of a 'God' and that
>> >these 'moderate' atheists differ from 'fundamentalist' atheists? Does that
>> >make *any* sense to members of this NG?
>> >
>> >(And, 'Yes', it *is* easy to pick on a group who insist that what they
>> >espouse is true as 'true' can be, yet cannot prove their beliefs to be true
>> >to save their lives. Their whole belief system is built upon one brazen lie
>> >after another. They have waged a malicious war on Science. And for that
>> >alone they deserve derision.)
>> >
>> >The gist of the 'message' is true however. There should be no 'sacred cows'
>> >when it comes to reporting the truth.
>>
>> There are atheists who insist that they have proof there is no God.
>
>So without proof they think God exists?

I have no idea what confused you here, but that response makes no
sense.

>I wonder what the definition of
>'atheist' you're looking at.

There are those who say there is no evidence for god, there are those
who say there is no god, there are those who say it is *obvious* there
is no god, there are those who say they can prove there is no god,
etc. And those are just flavors along the "primary axis", there are
other divisions orthogonal or related.

>> They insist that anyone who disagrees with them is deluded or a moron
>> (or both).
>
>That would be tarring a whole wodge of people unfairly.

How? I said that *some* atheists are Fundamentalists and I gave my
criteria. Not all atheists fit that position. That is not tarring
anyone unfairly.

>You can have
>your religion,

Sorry, but my religion is not at issue here.

>just don't stick it in to people's faces like Min does.

That was sort of my point, wasn't it?

--
Matt Silberstein

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Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:19:53
From: Martin Hogbin
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:55aah2tcmsrjk009athedbqmgugvdqbt46@4ax.com...
> On 22 Sep 2006 23:46:39 -0700, in alt.atheism ,

Why are you posting this on physics newsgroups? Physics
says nothing about the existence, or otherwise, of God.

Martin Hogbin

Date: 25 Sep 2006 11:30:13
From: Matt Silberstein
Subject: Re: "Fundies" - *Every* Religion Has Them!

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:19:53 +0100, in alt.atheism , "Martin Hogbin"
<goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org > in <n76dnRcFNt3WDYrYRVny2Q@bt.com>
wrote:

>
>"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:55aah2tcmsrjk009athedbqmgugvdqbt46@4ax.com...
>> On 22 Sep 2006 23:46:39 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
>
>Why are you posting this on physics newsgroups? Physics
>says nothing about the existence, or otherwise, of God.
>
>Martin Hogbin

Because I post to the place where the original went.

--
Matt Silberstein

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