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Date: 31 Jul 2006 20:52:53
From: MThomas
Subject: Full Refund
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So long Astronomy Hacks!
"We are pleased to confirm that the refund you requested for your
chapters.indigo.ca order, OR15382444 has been processed. Please allow 2 to
5 business days for the credit to be reflected on your credit card or in
your online account balance.
Date of refund: 31/07/2006
Refund amount: $31.07
We value your business and hope you will shop with us again."
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 20:45:27
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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MThomas wrote:
> "Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154395096.501275.311590@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MThomas wrote:
> >> So long Astronomy Hacks!
> >>
> >>
> >> "We are pleased to confirm that the refund you requested for your
> >> chapters.indigo.ca order, OR15382444 has been processed. Please allow 2
> >> to
> >> 5 business days for the credit to be reflected on your credit card or in
> >> your online account balance.
> >>
> >> Date of refund: 31/07/2006
> >> Refund amount: $31.07
> >>
> >> We value your business and hope you will shop with us again."
> >
> > Canadians are cheap bastards. When I did more dealings on Astromart,
> > I'd exclude them.
> > When an American buys, they buy. No tire kicking, no buyer's remorse.
> > Canadians
> > are the most indecisive clowns you've ever met.
> >
>
> Speaking as a HACK from Toronto and a very disliked poster here RICH, I'd
> say
> you just tasted some toes. LOL.
What, I should defend pathetic Canadian buyer's behaviour because I'm
one of them?
I stand by what I said, they are HYPER awful to deal with when it comes
to any
business dealings.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 04:36:25
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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>>
>> Speaking as a HACK from Toronto and a very disliked poster here RICH, I'd
>> say
>> you just tasted some toes. LOL.
>
> What, I should defend pathetic Canadian buyer's behaviour because I'm
> one of them?
> I stand by what I said, they are HYPER awful to deal with when it comes
> to any
> business dealings.
>
Shrewd maybe?
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 18:18:16
From: Rich
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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MThomas wrote:
> So long Astronomy Hacks!
>
>
> "We are pleased to confirm that the refund you requested for your
> chapters.indigo.ca order, OR15382444 has been processed. Please allow 2 to
> 5 business days for the credit to be reflected on your credit card or in
> your online account balance.
>
> Date of refund: 31/07/2006
> Refund amount: $31.07
>
> We value your business and hope you will shop with us again."
Canadians are cheap bastards. When I did more dealings on Astromart,
I'd exclude them.
When an American buys, they buy. No tire kicking, no buyer's remorse.
Canadians
are the most indecisive clowns you've ever met.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 02:02:42
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1154395096.501275.311590@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> MThomas wrote:
>> So long Astronomy Hacks!
>>
>>
>> "We are pleased to confirm that the refund you requested for your
>> chapters.indigo.ca order, OR15382444 has been processed. Please allow 2
>> to
>> 5 business days for the credit to be reflected on your credit card or in
>> your online account balance.
>>
>> Date of refund: 31/07/2006
>> Refund amount: $31.07
>>
>> We value your business and hope you will shop with us again."
>
> Canadians are cheap bastards. When I did more dealings on Astromart,
> I'd exclude them.
> When an American buys, they buy. No tire kicking, no buyer's remorse.
> Canadians
> are the most indecisive clowns you've ever met.
>
Speaking as a HACK from Toronto and a very disliked poster here RICH, I'd
say
you just tasted some toes. LOL.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 16:24:28
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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MThomas wrote:
> So long Astronomy Hacks!
>
>
> "We are pleased to confirm that the refund you requested for your
> chapters.indigo.ca order, OR15382444 has been processed. Please allow 2 to
> 5 business days for the credit to be reflected on your credit card or in
> your online account balance.
>
> Date of refund: 31/07/2006
> Refund amount: $31.07
>
Hi:
Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland >
The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
<http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/ >
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 14:56:37
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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>
>
> Hi:
>
> Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
> was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
>
> Peace,
> Rod Mollise
> Author of:
> Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
> and
> The Urban Astronomer's Guide
> <http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
> The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
> <http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/>
Well. if it makes you feel better, I'll delete the few I have....there,
done.
Did you ever go to college? Did you ever photocopy stuff from a library?
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 15:51:45
From: Roger Hamlett
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:FYJzg.151576$I61.72606@clgrps13...
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>
>>
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
>> was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Rod Mollise
>> Author of:
>> Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
>> and
>> The Urban Astronomer's Guide
>> <http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
>> The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
>> <http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/>
>
> Well. if it makes you feel better, I'll delete the few I have....there,
> done.
>
> Did you ever go to college? Did you ever photocopy stuff from a
> library?
In the UK at least, in law, the maximum on this is limited in terms of how
many pages you can do. Maximum of 5%, and if there is any commercial
interest, then 0% (a copywrite fee has to be paid for everything). You can
copy the whole of a book you own (to allow you to use the copy, to keep
the original in good condition - this comes under 'fair use'), but if you
dispose of the book, then the copy has to go as well. The same 'fair use'
exemption, does allow small amounts of material to be copied in
educational enviroments, without paying a fee, but this requires that the
item is being copied, for work that will "enrich society's fund of
knowledge and culture". As such copying in education, can be found to be
'fair use', but also often may not be, and would then be liable to need to
pay a royalty. Basically if more is copied than is relevant to the point
being learned/taught, then fair use will fail, and there have been a
suprising number of cases where colleges/universities have ended up having
to pay a significant fine over this. The same fair use provisions exist in
the US 1976 copywrite act, but the limit on amount, is 10% for prose, and
a whole load of other guidlines exist limiting how often the amounts may
be copied etc..
Best Wishes
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:37:12
From: AM
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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MThomas wrote:
>>
>>Hi:
>>
>>Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
>>was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
>>
>>Peace,
>>Rod Mollise
>>Author of:
>>Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
>>and
>>The Urban Astronomer's Guide
>><http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
>>The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
>><http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/>
>
>
> Well. if it makes you feel better, I'll delete the few I have....there,
> done.
>
> Did you ever go to college? Did you ever photocopy stuff from a library?
>
>
Going to the library is one thing. Ordering stuff, copying what
you need and returning it to get your money back is stealing...
You have enough $$$ to get online here, yet you cant even
afford a book...........
--
AM
http://sctuser.home.comcast.net
CentOS 4.3 KDE 3.3
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:20:01
From: T.T.
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:FYJzg.151576$I61.72606@clgrps13...
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
>> was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Rod Mollise
>> Author of:
>> Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
>> and
>> The Urban Astronomer's Guide
>> <http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
>> The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
>> <http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/>
>
> Well. if it makes you feel better, I'll delete the few I have....there,
> done.
>
> Did you ever go to college? Did you ever photocopy stuff from a library?
>
If you think the two situations are even similar, you time at college was
wasted.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:22:49
From: John Nichols
Subject: Re: Full Refund
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"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:FYJzg.151576$I61.72606@clgrps13...
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Let me make sure I've got this right...you bought the book, copied what
>> was of interest to you...returned the book...and you're proud of this?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Rod Mollise
>> Author of:
>> Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
>> and
>> The Urban Astronomer's Guide
>> <http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
>> The Annual SCT User Imaging Contest is Underway!
>> <http://www.rothritter.com/contest/2006/>
>
> Well. if it makes you feel better, I'll delete the few I have....there,
> done.
>
> Did you ever go to college? Did you ever photocopy stuff from a library?
>
I know I'm going to regret this, but:
Michael, there is a world of difference between fair use, such as your
example above, and flat out stealing.
What you did, was steal from the author of the book. That book is his
intellectual property. By scanning those pages, and then returning the book
for a full refund you in effect stole a portion of his property.
Furthermore, you stole from the dealer who sold you the book.
This is really quite simple.
You're not going to agree, I know this already. To point out to you that
you are flat out wrong about this is just a waste of time. But it needs to
be said.
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