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Date: 10 Dec 2006 16:36:53
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Drives for CCD photography
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Hi,
In visual and film photography through telescopes on equatorial
drives, the old RA drive system might use commercial gears (Boston
probably) and a synchronous drive motor like a BODINE or a HURST. This
would be controlled using a variable frequency controller.
This was used in conjunction with a DEC drive with another synchronous
motor and gears.
A contol box, held in the hand with 4 buttons and a reostate type
device for setting the system to a siderial rate would be used.
The user kept the target or a near by star in the cross hairs of a
guide scope or off-axis guiding device.
I have been told that this configuration is insufficiently accurate
for CCD photography and a periodic correction via a computer driven RA
drive is needed to compensate for periodic errors in the RA worm gear
and other associated gears.
Is this correct ?
If so, when I buy my next telescope with which I plan to do CCD
photography, what do I need to look for and ask for in the product I
buy.
I will be getting something in the 11 to 14 inch aperture range. It
will be on a permanent mount on a concrete pier and isolated from the
concrete pad upon which I will be walking.
My need for this info is not terribly immediate. The purchase will be
in a few years for my retirement home in UTAH but I figured getting
some heads up info on the issue now would not be a bad idea.
Any and all comments will be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Jim Klein
James E. Klein
jameseklein@earthlink.net
Engineering Calculations
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 09:37:35
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Drives for CCD photography
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Hi Jim:
Insufficient? Maybe, maybe not. Chances are your mount, if well aligned
and balanced, will be just as good for CCDing as it was for film. That
said, if you're using a fairly small chip and fairly long focal
lengths, those guiding errors do tend to be pretty derned annoying.
There are ways around that, however. Many folks use short exposures, in
the 30 second range, and stack multiple images to create a final image.
If you can guide your scope, either manually or with an autoguider,
that's another out. Best advice? Try your mount before you throw it on
the scrap heap. If you are going to buy a new mount, what should you
look for?
Sturdiness.
PEC (it can help a lot).
An ST-4/SBIG compatible autoguiding port.
Jim Klein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In visual and film photography through telescopes on equatorial
> drives, the old RA drive system might use commercial gears (Boston
> probably) and a synchronous drive motor like a BODINE or a HURST. This
> would be controlled using a variable frequency controller.
>
> This was used in conjunction with a DEC drive with another synchronous
> motor and gears.
>
> A contol box, held in the hand with 4 buttons and a reostate type
> device for setting the system to a siderial rate would be used.
>
> The user kept the target or a near by star in the cross hairs of a
> guide scope or off-axis guiding device.
>
> I have been told that this configuration is insufficiently accurate
> for CCD photography
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 17:08:18
From: Pierre Vandevennne
Subject: Re: Drives for CCD photography
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Jim Klein <jameseklein@earthlink.net > wrote in
news:l3don217s6nhkst2ieu4jico427nonlemh@4ax.com:
> Is this correct ?
Yes.
> If so, when I buy my next telescope with which I plan to do CCD
> photography, what do I need to look for and ask for in the product I
> buy.
Chances are that you will be autoguiding(*) when taking long CCD exposures.
Any mount able to autoguide with enough precision should be OK. That's of
course a matter of load, and also matter of comfort. A mount such as the
Losmandy G11 should give you acceptable results with some work whereas a
AP/Paramount/high end Takahashi will give you great results with minimum
effort.
If your horizon is "a few years", simply wait. The advances in computing
support to pointing and tracking accuracy aren't going to stop suddenly and
have now become essential if you have good enough hardware to begin with.
(*) Autoguiding basically images a guide star, as you manually/visually
would, calculates its centroid, calculates the correction required to re-
center it and issues commands to the mount.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 09:58:46
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Drives for CCD photography
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:36:53 GMT, Jim Klein <jameseklein@earthlink.net >
wrote:
>In visual and film photography through telescopes on equatorial
>drives, the old RA drive system might use commercial gears (Boston
>probably) and a synchronous drive motor like a BODINE or a HURST. This
>would be controlled using a variable frequency controller.
>
>This was used in conjunction with a DEC drive with another synchronous
>motor and gears.
>
>A contol box, held in the hand with 4 buttons and a reostate type
>device for setting the system to a siderial rate would be used.
>
>The user kept the target or a near by star in the cross hairs of a
>guide scope or off-axis guiding device.
>
>I have been told that this configuration is insufficiently accurate
>for CCD photography and a periodic correction via a computer driven RA
>drive is needed to compensate for periodic errors in the RA worm gear
>and other associated gears.
>
>Is this correct ?
A system such as you describe would probably be adequate for CCD
imaging, but you would neither want to use one, nor be able to find one
outside an antique shop. For more than a decade, nearly all imagers
(film or CCD) have used mounts with somewhat more sophisticated drive
systems.
>If so, when I buy my next telescope with which I plan to do CCD
>photography, what do I need to look for and ask for in the product I
>buy.
>
>I will be getting something in the 11 to 14 inch aperture range. It
>will be on a permanent mount on a concrete pier and isolated from the
>concrete pad upon which I will be walking.
Above all, you want a mechanically solid mount. I prefer fork mounts,
but this largely limits you to using the mass produced products of Meade
or Celestron. While these certainly make fine imaging systems, you can
get much better mounts from other manufacturers. These will be GEMs,
however, not forks. You will want a goto controller; these days,
whatever controller the mount comes with will include periodic error
correction and autoguider inputs (you will want to avoid manually
guiding unless you are a masochist).
On a side note, consider avoiding completely a concrete pad around your
scope. Concrete has a very large thermal mass, and can easily contribute
to deteriorated local seeing. A raised wooden platform is much better in
this regard, as well as being easier on your feet and back (and on
anything you accidentally drop).
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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