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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:53:29
From: Jim Klein
Subject: China Telescopes
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Hi,
Some products from China do indeed have significant value for the $.
As a matter of fact, compared to the low cost items out of Japan in
the 50's, the Chinese stuff can be down right nice.
Then there are the power tools at Harbor Freight but I won't go there.
Where is the best place to look for high end, lower priced
astronomical optics from China which I can buy in the U.S.A..
My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
generally when I open my wallet.
In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
they treat their people.
Sincerely,
Jim Klein
James E. Klein
jameseklein@earthlink.net
Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com
ecalculations@ecalculations.com
Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:38:45
From: Bob Schmall
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Jim Klein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
> generally when I open my wallet.
>
> Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
> price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
> they treat their people.
The true American ethic: what's in it for me?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 19:12:54
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
George W. Bush can do will stop them. They will stop when the people
in their country have had their limit of abuse.
I hope I did not say that I approved but go to your local hardware
store and check out the percentage of "Made in China" that you see.
So where is the high end, lower priced China astronomical optics for
sale ?
Jim
Bob Schmall <rschmall@wi.rr.com > wrote:
>Jim Klein wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
> > My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
>> generally when I open my wallet.
>
>>
>> Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
>> price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
>> they treat their people.
>
>
>The true American ethic: what's in it for me?
James E. Klein
jameseklein@earthlink.net
Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com
ecalculations@ecalculations.com
Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:12:11
From: Rich
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Mike Simmons wrote:
> On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>
> > In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
> > in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
> > decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
> > a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
> > decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
> >
> > Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
> > Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>
> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
> anything others would buy, just like China.
>
> Mike Simmons
Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
-They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
-There was alot of money in it?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 23:35:58
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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On 28 2006 22:12:11 -0700, Rich wrote:
> Mike Simmons wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>>
>>> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
>>> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
>>> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
>>> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
>>> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>>>
>>> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
>>> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>>
>> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
>> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
>> anything others would buy, just like China.
>>
>> Mike Simmons
>
> Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
> -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
> -There was alot of money in it?
I'm not sure how my post generated that question, Rich. But I'll bite.
They're extremely proud of their country, especially their heritage (which
is clearly better than their present). Wonderful people and culture.
Fantastic place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. And with the
terrible economic situation there now a lot of them would prefer to live
elsewhere, too. Millions do live elsewhere now but all retain the love of
their country. Actually, most people do have strong feelings for their
home country. Even Canadians, right Rich?
Mike Simmons
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:13:18
From: Mike
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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This Rich prick is a useless example of a Canadian. He is actually one of
those closet
Americans that won't leave Canada.
Even Canadians, right Rich?
>
> Mike Simmons
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 01:34:28
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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"Rich" <rander3127@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162098731.106258.299970@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Simmons wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>>
>> > In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
>> > in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
>> > decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
>> > a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
>> > decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>> >
>> > Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
>> > Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>>
>> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving
>> Jewish
>> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and
>> sell
>> anything others would buy, just like China.
>>
>> Mike Simmons
>
> Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
> -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
> -There was alot of money in it?
>
Guy asked me one time why anyone would want to live in a two-room shack on
Lower Second Creek in Perry County, Kentucky -- no running water, no indoor
toilet, heat from a coal-stove, no cable TV, two dogs sleeping in the
corner.
Simple: Because it's home.
Not every one drives a Hummer -- or even wants to.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 13:22:57
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>
> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
anything others would buy, just like China.
Mike Simmons
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 01:03:59
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Mike Simmons <mikes@nospam.mtwilson.edu > wrote:
>On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>
>> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
>> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
>> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
>> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
>> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>>
>> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
>> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>
>As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
>communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
>anything others would buy, just like China.
>
>Mike Simmons
I was thinking more along the lines of the national commerce thing.
My dad's grand mother was Jewish (jumped ship over love to become
Catholic) and I hope my post did not upset too many readers. Yes, This
Jim Klein has a relationship to the tribe even though I was raised as
a Catholic, a fact that has cause no end of confusion on my part and
everyone I know. Of course my little friends at Loyola Highschool
never let me forget it. "Kleinstein" I lived with for 4 years.
I could have said "Souix selling toy tin US soldiers" but my distant
relative Gustav Klein was a 7th Cav U.S. Soldier who died on June 25
,1876 in Montana at the Litlle Big Horn River, so that would have been
as tasteless. His name is on the monument.
I like the folks from China, at least all who I have known. It just
seemed strange, that the US has so many things for
sale here and at such low prices and that are made in China.
No one seems to want to admit that we are benefiting from the work of
slaves, kids and prisoners.
So where are the Takahashi copies ?
Jim
James E. Klein
jameseklein@earthlink.net
Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com
ecalculations@ecalculations.com
Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 23:25:21
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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On Sun, 29 2006 01:03:59 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
> Mike Simmons <mikes@nospam.mtwilson.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>>
>>> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
>>> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
>>> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
>>> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
>>> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>>>
>>> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
>>> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>>
>>As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>>Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
>>communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>>the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
>>anything others would buy, just like China.
>>
>>Mike Simmons
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of the national commerce thing.
>
> My dad's grand mother was Jewish (jumped ship over love to become
> Catholic) and I hope my post did not upset too many readers.
Not me, Jim, nor anyone else, I'd guess. I didn't mean to suggest that it
was offensive. Just my knee-jerk reaction to share some perspective based
on experiences most westerners don't have. And you're right about the
commerce. I think Israel has the market for Jewish religious items pretty
well locked up in that region. ;-)
> I could have said "Souix selling toy tin US soldiers" but my distant
> relative Gustav Klein was a 7th Cav U.S. Soldier who died on June 25
> ,1876 in Montana at the Litlle Big Horn River, so that would have been
> as tasteless. His name is on the monument.
Wow, that's quite a connection. At least for a history buff like me.
> I like the folks from China, at least all who I have known. It just
> seemed strange, that the US has so many things for
> sale here and at such low prices and that are made in China.
>
> No one seems to want to admit that we are benefiting from the work of
> slaves, kids and prisoners.
I think you had the answer when you said you'd base your purchase on the
price. People usually don't want to think about the other side of that
equation.
> So where are the Takahashi copies ?
It seems to me Rod gave you a pretty good answer. And the products are
from Taiwan, not PRC.
Mike Simmons
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:40:14
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Jim Klein wrote:
> I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
> George W. Bush can do will stop them.
Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)
"What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
tried to address the question some time back here:
<http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm >
Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
(Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
their gear, but you can for sure find it at:
<http://www.buytelescopes.com >
Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland >
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:49:59
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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"RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162064414.571615.260920@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jim Klein wrote:
>> I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
>> George W. Bush can do will stop them.
>
> Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)
>
> "What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
> tried to address the question some time back here:
>
> <http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm>
>
> Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
> (Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
> astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
> their gear, but you can for sure find it at:
>
> <http://www.buytelescopes.com>
>
> Peace,
> Rod Mollise
Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
NUKE them? Or, how about TALK to them about how WRONG this all is, for all
the bleeding-hear liberals present.
RIGHT???
THAT will help a LOT!!! Of course no one mentions that talking NEVER
helps... It just gives the BAD guys longer to do their thing... And THAT'S
why the UN is useless... They want to release doves, when all the scumbags
are murdering each other all AROUND them, and they make NO effort to stop
it... They just TALK about it... Which is exactly what all the bleeding
heart liberal Democrats want to do... They are demonstrably weak on
national security, or terrorists... They mostly want to hug a tree, or hug
a dove, or kiss.... Well... What THEY know, is blame Bush for EVERYTHING,
and that will make it all right... WRONG...
That's what it's all about now... Just bullshit politics...
The Republicans SUCK!!! RIGHT???
Well, I HATE what's been going on in politics the last few years, and the
Republicans are not what I would call MY party, though I AM a registered
Republican...
It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have NO
clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...
Well, I don't exactly love Republicans, either, even though I AM one, but
the DEMOCRATS are SO much worse, that it makes me want to VOMIT whenever one
of them stands up and starts to babble about ANYTHING... It's like they
live on a different planet...
So THAT'S why I will be voting Republican, even though I HATE American
politics, and believe maybe it's time to just toss them ALL out, and try
starting all over... No matter HOW bad the Republicans may seem, they are
orders of MAGNITUDE better than the Democrats...
Eat your heart out Daniel Min...
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 00:59:13
From: elaich
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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"Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net > wrote in news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873
@newsfe08.phx:
> Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
Put an embargo on all Chinese goods coming into the US. But, he won't keep
illegal aliens out, so why would he keep cheap goods out?
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:26:18
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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"elaich" <a@b.c > wrote in message news:4qicn1Fna5bbU2@individual.net...
> "Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net> wrote in news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873
> @newsfe08.phx:
>
>> Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
>
> Put an embargo on all Chinese goods coming into the US. But, he won't keep
> illegal aliens out, so why would he keep cheap goods out?
...and the Democrats would send BUSES to pick UP the illegal aliens and
bring them in, and serve them lunch, and give them tax-payer paid BENEFITS,
in return for just for coming over illegally...
Oh... And if they can have a KID before they get caught and deported, the
KID becomes a CITIZEN!!!
And then this *citizen* gets to beg those same bleeding heart liberals to
let it's parents become citizens... For WHAT reason???
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:10:33
From: Mike
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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You and your lot are whats wrong with America!!
"Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net > wrote in message
news:cpT0h.2572$Xe6.797@newsfe15.phx...
> "elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:4qicn1Fna5bbU2@individual.net...
>> "Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net> wrote in news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873
>> @newsfe08.phx:
>>
>>> Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
>>
>> Put an embargo on all Chinese goods coming into the US. But, he won't
>> keep
>> illegal aliens out, so why would he keep cheap goods out?
>
> ...and the Democrats would send BUSES to pick UP the illegal aliens and
> bring them in, and serve them lunch, and give them tax-payer paid
> BENEFITS, in return for just for coming over illegally...
>
> Oh... And if they can have a KID before they get caught and deported, the
> KID becomes a CITIZEN!!!
>
> And then this *citizen* gets to beg those same bleeding heart liberals to
> let it's parents become citizens... For WHAT reason???
>
> --
> Jan Owen
>
> To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
> Latitude: 33.6
> Longitude: -112.3
> http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
>
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 00:07:09
From: lynt
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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"Jan Owen" <janowen1z@cox.net > wrote in message
news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873@newsfe08.phx...
> "RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162064414.571615.260920@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jim Klein wrote:
>>> I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
>>> George W. Bush can do will stop them.
>>
>> Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)
>>
>> "What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
>> tried to address the question some time back here:
>>
>> <http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm>
>>
>> Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
>> (Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
>> astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
>> their gear, but you can for sure find it at:
>>
>> <http://www.buytelescopes.com>
>>
>> Peace,
>> Rod Mollise
>
> Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
>
> NUKE them? Or, how about TALK to them about how WRONG this all is, for
> all the bleeding-hear liberals present.
>
> RIGHT???
>
> THAT will help a LOT!!! Of course no one mentions that talking NEVER
> helps... It just gives the BAD guys longer to do their thing... And
> THAT'S why the UN is useless... They want to release doves, when all the
> scumbags are murdering each other all AROUND them, and they make NO effort
> to stop it... They just TALK about it... Which is exactly what all the
> bleeding heart liberal Democrats want to do... They are demonstrably weak
> on national security, or terrorists... They mostly want to hug a tree, or
> hug a dove, or kiss.... Well... What THEY know, is blame Bush for
> EVERYTHING, and that will make it all right... WRONG...
>
> That's what it's all about now... Just bullshit politics...
>
> The Republicans SUCK!!! RIGHT???
>
> Well, I HATE what's been going on in politics the last few years, and the
> Republicans are not what I would call MY party, though I AM a registered
> Republican...
>
> It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have
> NO clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...
>
> Well, I don't exactly love Republicans, either, even though I AM one, but
> the DEMOCRATS are SO much worse, that it makes me want to VOMIT whenever
> one of them stands up and starts to babble about ANYTHING... It's like
> they live on a different planet...
>
> So THAT'S why I will be voting Republican, even though I HATE American
> politics, and believe maybe it's time to just toss them ALL out, and try
> starting all over... No matter HOW bad the Republicans may seem, they are
> orders of MAGNITUDE better than the Democrats...
>
> Eat your heart out Daniel Min...
> --
> Jan Owen
>
> To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
> Latitude: 33.6
> Longitude: -112.3
> http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
Now that we know how you are going to vote, we are sending the boys to hunt
you down and get you.
>
>
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:09:28
From: Mike
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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FO "all wrapped in the flag" ASSHOLE...
> Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???
>
> NUKE them? Or, how about TALK to them about how WRONG this all is, for
> all the bleeding-hear liberals present.
>
> RIGHT???
>
> THAT will help a LOT!!! Of course no one mentions that talking NEVER
> helps... It just gives the BAD guys longer to do their thing... And
> THAT'S why the UN is useless... They want to release doves, when all the
> scumbags are murdering each other all AROUND them, and they make NO effort
> to stop it... They just TALK about it... Which is exactly what all the
> bleeding heart liberal Democrats want to do... They are demonstrably weak
> on national security, or terrorists... They mostly want to hug a tree, or
> hug a dove, or kiss.... Well... What THEY know, is blame Bush for
> EVERYTHING, and that will make it all right... WRONG...
>
> That's what it's all about now... Just bullshit politics...
>
> The Republicans SUCK!!! RIGHT???
>
> Well, I HATE what's been going on in politics the last few years, and the
> Republicans are not what I would call MY party, though I AM a registered
> Republican...
>
> It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have
> NO clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...
>
> Well, I don't exactly love Republicans, either, even though I AM one, but
> the DEMOCRATS are SO much worse, that it makes me want to VOMIT whenever
> one of them stands up and starts to babble about ANYTHING... It's like
> they live on a different planet...
>
> So THAT'S why I will be voting Republican, even though I HATE American
> politics, and believe maybe it's time to just toss them ALL out, and try
> starting all over... No matter HOW bad the Republicans may seem, they are
> orders of MAGNITUDE better than the Democrats...
>
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 01:16:06
From: Rich
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Mike Simmons wrote:
> On 28 2006 22:12:11 -0700, Rich wrote:
>
> > Mike Simmons wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
> >>
> >>> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
> >>> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
> >>> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
> >>> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
> >>> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
> >>>
> >>> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
> >>> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
> >>
> >> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
> >> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
> >> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
> >> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
> >> anything others would buy, just like China.
> >>
> >> Mike Simmons
> >
> > Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
> > -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
> > -There was alot of money in it?
>
> I'm not sure how my post generated that question, Rich. But I'll bite.
> They're extremely proud of their country, especially their heritage (which
> is clearly better than their present). Wonderful people and culture.
> Fantastic place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. And with the
> terrible economic situation there now a lot of them would prefer to live
> elsewhere, too. Millions do live elsewhere now but all retain the love of
> their country. Actually, most people do have strong feelings for their
> home country. Even Canadians, right Rich?
>
> Mike Simmons
Hmmm. Third largest oil producer, oil has been at near $70 a barrel
for what, 2 years
and their economic situation is dire? I guess that's what happens when
all you can do is
pump oil out of the ground or weave rugs or grow dates or spawn
religious terrorists?
No wonder they want nukes.
As for Canada, it's resource base is what makes it worthwhile. As for
culture, we don't have any to speak of. A long time ago, a liberal
(they are our rulers by birthright, or so they've told us) decreed that
all foreigners coming to Canada have superior culture and must keep
theirs. So, once the demographic hit 40% new immigrants, Canada stop
pretending it had any culture of it's own.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 01:38:41
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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On 29 2006 01:16:06 -0800, Rich wrote:
> Mike Simmons wrote:
>> On 28 2006 22:12:11 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Simmons wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
>>>>> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
>>>>> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
>>>>> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
>>>>> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
>>>>> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>>>>
>>>> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>>>> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
>>>> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>>>> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
>>>> anything others would buy, just like China.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Simmons
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
>>> -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
>>> -There was alot of money in it?
>>
>> I'm not sure how my post generated that question, Rich. But I'll bite.
>> They're extremely proud of their country, especially their heritage (which
>> is clearly better than their present). Wonderful people and culture.
>> Fantastic place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. And with the
>> terrible economic situation there now a lot of them would prefer to live
>> elsewhere, too. Millions do live elsewhere now but all retain the love of
>> their country. Actually, most people do have strong feelings for their
>> home country. Even Canadians, right Rich?
>>
>> Mike Simmons
>
> Hmmm. Third largest oil producer, oil has been at near $70 a barrel
> for what, 2 years
> and their economic situation is dire?
Terrible management for 27 years and rampant corruption. There's plenty of
money but a bad government. It's a common circumstance in most of the
Third World. It wouldn't take much to learn about this, Rich. And they're
probably worse managers than most.
> I guess that's what happens when
> all you can do is
> pump oil out of the ground or weave rugs or grow dates or spawn
> religious terrorists?
It's not really that simple, of course. But you can't even get the stuff
you make up right. Wrong place for dates. Try Arabia for them -- very
different geography (and people). You might at least look at a map or
something for a few facts. Couldn't hurt, could it?
> No wonder they want nukes.
As does my country and many others. Of course, no one's found any evidence
that they want nukes but it doesn't sound like you'd know that, or care
anyway. It sure makes sense to me, especially considering that they're
surrounded by the army of a country that's declared it wants to destroy
them. There are other good reasons as well. But I don't have any facts to
back it up my guess.
You don't think they're making nukes anyway, do you? These people who can
only "pump oil out of the ground or weave rugs or grow dates or spawn
religious terrorists"? Or did you mean to add applied nuclear physics to
rug weaving and date palm growing?
> As for Canada, it's resource base is what makes it worthwhile. As for
> culture, we don't have any to speak of. A long time ago, a liberal
> (they are our rulers by birthright, or so they've told us) decreed that
> all foreigners coming to Canada have superior culture and must keep
> theirs. So, once the demographic hit 40% new immigrants, Canada stop
> pretending it had any culture of it's own.
Sorry, I don't follow this. I said that most people have strong feelings
for their country, including Canadians. I sure like mine. Are you
agreeing or disagreeing? Most Canadians I've met like their country.
Sounds like you don't.
Mike Simmons
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:16:17
From: Rich
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Jim Klein wrote:
> Mike Simmons <mikes@nospam.mtwilson.edu> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 28 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:
> >
> >> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
> >> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
> >> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
> >> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
> >> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
> >>
> >> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
> >> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
> >
> >As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
> >Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
> >communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
> >the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
> >anything others would buy, just like China.
> >
> >Mike Simmons
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of the national commerce thing.
>
> My dad's grand mother was Jewish (jumped ship over love to become
> Catholic) and I hope my post did not upset too many readers. Yes, This
> Jim Klein has a relationship to the tribe even though I was raised as
> a Catholic, a fact that has cause no end of confusion on my part and
> everyone I know. Of course my little friends at Loyola Highschool
> never let me forget it. "Kleinstein" I lived with for 4 years.
>
> I could have said "Souix selling toy tin US soldiers" but my distant
> relative Gustav Klein was a 7th Cav U.S. Soldier who died on June 25
> ,1876 in Montana at the Litlle Big Horn River, so that would have been
> as tasteless. His name is on the monument.
>
> I like the folks from China, at least all who I have known. It just
> seemed strange, that the US has so many things for
> sale here and at such low prices and that are made in China.
>
> No one seems to want to admit that we are benefiting from the work of
> slaves, kids and prisoners.
>
> So where are the Takahashi copies ?
>
> Jim
>
>
Not to mention the filthy American Democrats who, if they win, will
sign onto Kyoto, a C02 emission control "treaty" that somehow forgot to
include China (#2 biggest polluter, soon to be #1) in it's control
mandates.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 17:46:14
From:
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Jan Owen wrote:
> ...and the Democrats would send BUSES to pick UP the illegal aliens and
> bring them in, and serve them lunch, and give them tax-payer paid BENEFITS,
> in return for just for coming over illegally...
>
>
Being cranky what makes you believe that it is the Democrats that would
do that. I thought it was the big corporate farms in California that
were supplying the buses to pickup the illegals into the US so they
could work on the corporate farms. At least that's what is happening
around here The Republicans are just pissed that a few got away
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:02:11
From: Pat O'Connell
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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rpasken@eas.slu.edu wrote:
> Jan Owen wrote:
>
>> ...and the Democrats would send BUSES to pick UP the illegal aliens and
>> bring them in, and serve them lunch, and give them tax-payer paid BENEFITS,
>> in return for just for coming over illegally...
>>
>>
> Being cranky what makes you believe that it is the Democrats that would
> do that. I thought it was the big corporate farms in California that
> were supplying the buses to pickup the illegals into the US so they
> could work on the corporate farms. At least that's what is happening
> around here The Republicans are just pissed that a few got away
It's a little more than that. Republicans that are in businesses that
hire illegals for sub-minimum wages (not just the farms) are the ones
you're referring to. They hire the illegals, pay them very little, then
call the Border Patrol if they ask for more wages or threaten to quit.
--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:56:34
From:
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Rich wrote:
> Mike Simmons wrote:
> > As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
> > Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
> > communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
> > the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
> > anything others would buy, just like China.
> Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
> -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
> -There was alot of money in it?
How about:
- because they were born there, and
- the government isn't letting them leave the country?
John Savard
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 01:16:08
From: Mike Simmons
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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On 29 2006 11:56:34 -0800, jsavard@ecn.ab.ca wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>> Mike Simmons wrote:
>
>>> As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
>>> Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
>>> communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
>>> the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
>>> anything others would buy, just like China.
>
>> Why would anyone want to live in Iran unless:
>> -They were one of the religious nuts who run the place?
>> -There was alot of money in it?
>
> How about:
>
> - because they were born there, and
>
> - the government isn't letting them leave the country?
>
> John Savard
Huh? How did you get this idea that Iranians can't leave their country?
I've had several visitors from the astronomical community -- I'm expecting
one in a couple weeks -- and know many who travel regularly. I met another
at the IAU conference in Prague this summer (there was more than one in
attendance). An Iranian grad student attended an educational program at
our observatory this summer. Their government is bad enough without making
things up; better to stick to valid criticism.
Mike Simmons
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:53:47
From:
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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Jan Owen wrote:
> It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have NO
> clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...
What *is* wrong with the Democratic Party in the U.S. these days - and,
as well, with liberals the world over?
I don't think it is hard to sell the voters on voting for a party that
favors the ordinary working man over rich businessmen.
But then the liberal parties go and spoil it all.
They come up with issues like "gay marriage", which are ahead of what
most ordinary working people understand or accept.
They favor more immigration, which makes it harder to find a job at a
decent wage, or to afford a house.
And, when the country *has* real enemies - and totalitarian dictators
are *always* the enemies of free men, whether their window-dressing is
conservative, like Hitler's, or liberal, like Stalin's - it's just
*dumb* to leave the country with the impression that you don't take
them seriously. Having a "war hero" as your Presidential candidate
whose main claim to fame was stumping the country to tell America it
was perpetrating genocide in Vietnam is not exactly the way to convince
the country that you're taking national security seriously.
If the Republican party is divided by a war between social
conservatives and Fundamentalists and Evangelicals on the one side, and
free-enterprise businessmen on the other, it seems like in the
Democratic party, the college liberals have won the war, and the trade
union liberals are nowhere to be found.
Sometimes, strength is to be found in unity...
John Savard
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:39:39
From: Jim Klein
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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All I was interested in was low price, high quality optics.
As the great spirit is my witness, I was not trying to start this
whole thing.
The price of three optical blanks, ground to specific radii and stuck
in a cell should not cost the price of a used WV.
Jim
James E. Klein
jameseklein@earthlink.net
Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com
ecalculations@ecalculations.com
Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:48:51
From: Banal
Subject: Re: China Telescopes
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You want politics or telescopes ! ?
Jim Klein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some products from China do indeed have significant value for the $.
>
> As a matter of fact, compared to the low cost items out of Japan in
> the 50's, the Chinese stuff can be down right nice.
>
> Then there are the power tools at Harbor Freight but I won't go there.
>
> Where is the best place to look for high end, lower priced
> astronomical optics from China which I can buy in the U.S.A..
>
> My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
> generally when I open my wallet.
>
> In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
> in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
> decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
> a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
> decorations for their biggest religious holiday.
>
> Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
> Iran, Iraq and Lybia.
>
> Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
> price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
> they treat their people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jim Klein
> James E. Klein
> jameseklein@earthlink.net
>
> Engineering Calculations
> http://www.ecalculations.com
> ecalculations@ecalculations.com
> Engineering Calculations is the home of
> the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
> for Windows.
> 1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
> 1-818-823-4121
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