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Date: 11 Oct 2006 13:31:45
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Subject: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Hi,
Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
Thanks you
Thierry-
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 21:07:00
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Joe Bergeron wrote:
> In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu>, <Thierry> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> > http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
> >
> > Thanks you
> >
> > Thierry-
>
> Looks like Hollywood to me.
I agree...helmet looks old and worn - great for Hollywood, but I didn't
think NASA ever re-used them (except on the same flight).
Austin
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:27:28
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160626020.129923.30550@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Joe Bergeron wrote:
> > In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu>, <Thierry> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> > >
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
> > >
> > > Thanks you
> > >
> > > Thierry-
> >
> > Looks like Hollywood to me.
>
> I agree...helmet looks old and worn - great for Hollywood, but I didn't
> think NASA ever re-used them (except on the same flight).
Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
on the ground at a training facility.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 01:08:42
From: Joe Bergeron
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu >, <Thierry> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
>
> Thanks you
>
> Thierry-
Looks like Hollywood to me.
--
Joe Bergeron
http://www.joebergeron.com
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 12:34:36
From: johnschiap
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Thierry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
>
> Thanks you
>
> Thierry-
>
>
When I saw the picture, something about it just didn't "feel" right. To
me, it looks like a film still, or a staged shot. The proximity, the
even light on his face, it looks too good to be true. Maybe it is a
real picture, but I have my doubts.
John
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 18:31:11
From: Gareth Slee
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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<Thierry > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
>
> Thanks you
>
> Thierry-
I don't know but I bet the guys at sci.space.history do.
--
Gareth Slee
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 06:38:00
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Greg Neill wrote:
> "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160626020.129923.30550@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Joe Bergeron wrote:
> > > In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu>, <Thierry> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> > > >
> http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Thanks you
> > > >
> > > > Thierry-
> > >
> > > Looks like Hollywood to me.
> >
> > I agree...helmet looks old and worn - great for Hollywood, but I didn't
> > think NASA ever re-used them (except on the same flight).
>
> Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> on the ground at a training facility.
Not with a pitch black "sky" and a reflection of earth in the helmet.
Austin
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 10:17:21
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160660280.216343.303040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Greg Neill wrote:
> > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1160626020.129923.30550@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Joe Bergeron wrote:
> > > > In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu>, <Thierry> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> > > > >
> > http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks you
> > > > >
> > > > > Thierry-
> > > >
> > > > Looks like Hollywood to me.
> > >
> > > I agree...helmet looks old and worn - great for Hollywood, but I
didn't
> > > think NASA ever re-used them (except on the same flight).
> >
> > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > on the ground at a training facility.
>
> Not with a pitch black "sky" and a reflection of earth in the helmet.
I'm not sure that one can verify that that's a
reflection of Earth, and as for the dark background,
that could be caused by a simple high contrast
effect due to the use of a flash.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 19:43:06
From: Mike L'Mao
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Joe Shmoe
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 09:07:38
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Greg Neill wrote:
> "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160747480.963649.295100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > Greg Neill wrote:
> > > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > > Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA training
> > > > facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand new
> > > > props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a flash
> > > > photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch on
> his
> > > > inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken, they
> > > > would not let it get past the PR review.
> > > >
> > > > Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have been
> > > > taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that way).
> > > > Everything is always well lit.
> > > >
> > > > This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
> > >
> > > So what? Who said it was?
> >
> > Well, you said:
> >
> > > > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > > > on the ground at a training facility.
> >
> > What non-NASA training facility were you thinking of?
>
> What makes you think that official NASA photographers
> are the only ones that own cameras? It could have been
> taken by another team member, for example.
Not much of a phtographer, are you? Then again, you didn't claim to
be.
The person who took this was an exellent photographer. They were able
to very carefully set up soft lighting equipment that would light the
model's face from the front without glaring in the face mask or casting
shadows on the suit or helmet. Then, they set up something to reflect
in the face mask so that it would look like earth would if looked at
through an aproximately square window. This is *not* the source of the
light on the model's face; the light on his face is much warmer
(exactly what I would expect a really good photographer to do). They
also were able to light the suit and helmet with a very soft,
relatively cool light, without casting shadows on the model's face or
cooling the face light. All of the exposure levels of the different
lights are balanced (the "earth out the window" is deliberately
overexposed, as one might expect for a shot of an astronaut looking out
the window towards earth). This photographer really knew his work.
This is not a NASA photo. This is not a NASA team member's snapshot.
There is no way this was taken anywhere but a studio.
Austin
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 13:43:17
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160755658.616456.284180@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Greg Neill wrote:
> > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1160747480.963649.295100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > Greg Neill wrote:
> > > > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > > Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA
training
> > > > > facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand
new
> > > > > props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a
flash
> > > > > photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch
on
> > his
> > > > > inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken,
they
> > > > > would not let it get past the PR review.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have
been
> > > > > taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that
way).
> > > > > Everything is always well lit.
> > > > >
> > > > > This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
> > > >
> > > > So what? Who said it was?
> > >
> > > Well, you said:
> > >
> > > > > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > > > > on the ground at a training facility.
> > >
> > > What non-NASA training facility were you thinking of?
> >
> > What makes you think that official NASA photographers
> > are the only ones that own cameras? It could have been
> > taken by another team member, for example.
>
> Not much of a phtographer, are you? Then again, you didn't claim to
> be.
>
> The person who took this was an exellent photographer. They were able
> to very carefully set up soft lighting equipment that would light the
> model's face from the front without glaring in the face mask or casting
> shadows on the suit or helmet. Then, they set up something to reflect
> in the face mask so that it would look like earth would if looked at
> through an aproximately square window. This is *not* the source of the
> light on the model's face; the light on his face is much warmer
> (exactly what I would expect a really good photographer to do). They
> also were able to light the suit and helmet with a very soft,
> relatively cool light, without casting shadows on the model's face or
> cooling the face light. All of the exposure levels of the different
> lights are balanced (the "earth out the window" is deliberately
> overexposed, as one might expect for a shot of an astronaut looking out
> the window towards earth). This photographer really knew his work.
>
> This is not a NASA photo. This is not a NASA team member's snapshot.
> There is no way this was taken anywhere but a studio.
In your opinion.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 06:51:21
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Greg Neill wrote:
> "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA training
> > facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand new
> > props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a flash
> > photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch on his
> > inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken, they
> > would not let it get past the PR review.
> >
> > Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have been
> > taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that way).
> > Everything is always well lit.
> >
> > This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
>
> So what? Who said it was?
Well, you said:
> > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > on the ground at a training facility.
What non-NASA training facility were you thinking of?
Austin
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 10:15:50
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160747480.963649.295100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Greg Neill wrote:
> > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA training
> > > facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand new
> > > props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a flash
> > > photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch on
his
> > > inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken, they
> > > would not let it get past the PR review.
> > >
> > > Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have been
> > > taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that way).
> > > Everything is always well lit.
> > >
> > > This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
> >
> > So what? Who said it was?
>
> Well, you said:
>
> > > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > > on the ground at a training facility.
>
> What non-NASA training facility were you thinking of?
What makes you think that official NASA photographers
are the only ones that own cameras? It could have been
taken by another team member, for example.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 06:23:00
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Greg Neill wrote:
> "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160660280.216343.303040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Greg Neill wrote:
> > > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1160626020.129923.30550@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Joe Bergeron wrote:
> > > > > In article <452cd624@news.vo.lu>, <Thierry> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who could identify the astronaut and the mission ?
> > > > > >
> > > http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion/Sciences/astronaute-helmet-closeup.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thierry-
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like Hollywood to me.
> > > >
> > > > I agree...helmet looks old and worn - great for Hollywood, but I
> didn't
> > > > think NASA ever re-used them (except on the same flight).
> > >
> > > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > > on the ground at a training facility.
> >
> > Not with a pitch black "sky" and a reflection of earth in the helmet.
>
> I'm not sure that one can verify that that's a
> reflection of Earth, and as for the dark background,
> that could be caused by a simple high contrast
> effect due to the use of a flash.
Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA training
facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand new
props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a flash
photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch on his
inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken, they
would not let it get past the PR review.
Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have been
taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that way).
Everything is always well lit.
This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
Austin
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 09:28:25
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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"AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA training
> facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand new
> props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a flash
> photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch on his
> inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken, they
> would not let it get past the PR review.
>
> Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have been
> taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that way).
> Everything is always well lit.
>
> This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
So what? Who said it was?
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 14:28:40
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Can u identify this astronaut ?
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Greg Neill wrote:
> "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160755658.616456.284180@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Greg Neill wrote:
> > > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1160747480.963649.295100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Greg Neill wrote:
> > > > > "AustinMN" <tacooper260@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1160745779.995827.129100@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tell you what - find a single flash photograph from a NASA
> training
> > > > > > facility. If you find one, it will be carefully posed with brand
> new
> > > > > > props/uniforms/spacesuits. There is no way NASA would allow a
> flash
> > > > > > photo (a.k.a. press photo) of any astronaut with a sewn-on patch
> on
> > > his
> > > > > > inner hood. If they made the mistake of allowing it to be taken,
> they
> > > > > > would not let it get past the PR review.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every picture I have ever seen from NASA training facilities have
> been
> > > > > > taken with ambient light (and NASA takes a lot of pictures that
> way).
> > > > > > Everything is always well lit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This picture is a non-NASA production picture.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what? Who said it was?
> > > >
> > > > Well, you said:
> > > >
> > > > > > Could be training gear. The photo could be taken
> > > > > > on the ground at a training facility.
> > > >
> > > > What non-NASA training facility were you thinking of?
> > >
> > > What makes you think that official NASA photographers
> > > are the only ones that own cameras? It could have been
> > > taken by another team member, for example.
> >
> > Not much of a phtographer, are you? Then again, you didn't claim to
> > be.
> >
> > The person who took this was an exellent photographer. They were able
> > to very carefully set up soft lighting equipment that would light the
> > model's face from the front without glaring in the face mask or casting
> > shadows on the suit or helmet. Then, they set up something to reflect
> > in the face mask so that it would look like earth would if looked at
> > through an aproximately square window. This is *not* the source of the
> > light on the model's face; the light on his face is much warmer
> > (exactly what I would expect a really good photographer to do). They
> > also were able to light the suit and helmet with a very soft,
> > relatively cool light, without casting shadows on the model's face or
> > cooling the face light. All of the exposure levels of the different
> > lights are balanced (the "earth out the window" is deliberately
> > overexposed, as one might expect for a shot of an astronaut looking out
> > the window towards earth). This photographer really knew his work.
> >
> > This is not a NASA photo. This is not a NASA team member's snapshot.
> > There is no way this was taken anywhere but a studio.
>
> In your opinion.
*plonk*
Austin
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