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Date: 25 Nov 2006 21:33:32
From: Starlord
Subject: Beyond Rosamond Report
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All of this will not be in the rosamond report, just a slight hint, but
tonight was a major event for me kind of. No not from the foster freeze,
that I only wish it could have been! No it was Bible thumpers and one of
them I would almost bet was/is related to our so loved DJM!!!
The first one of 3 was by himself and was the first one to say that he
didn't belive that this earth was not over 6,000 years old and that no star
was over 1,000 light years away. It was getting cold so he didn't stay.
A short while later 2 familys came over, I was set up on the moon and the
kids loved seeing it so close (I had my telvue 17mm in the EP slot) and I
gave them a copy of my astro news sheet. That's when one of the dad's took
his turn and looked at the moon and then he asked if I knew who made the
moon,(oh no I was thinking) and I said that it was close to something like
3.5 billion years old or more and the top running deal now shows it was made
after the earth was hit when still young. You can figure what he said
ofcourse, but I played it cool and just let him talk and then I'd point out
the facts as we know them now. At last he could see I wasn't going to change
my ideas and he gave up. The other dad came back over and got one of my
astro sheets and took a look at the moon and handed me a $10 bill and said
"You did better than most other people do, good job". Oh ya, that first dad
also said the earth was not older than 10,000 years, I looked at him then
and said "Well if that's so, then I'm not standing next to a telescope who's
metal was taken brom rock ore that was at lest a billion years old. That had
stopped that thread of talk.
After they left I had about 30 mins of rest then the local DJM stopped! And
the rest of the time was pure hell. He had an answer for everything, the
earth was only 5,000 years old, the great flood of the old bible had been
what killed the Dino's and that man had lived amoung them. That the old foak
tales of Dagons was just tales of the Dino's. Then he said that the way
they told how far away the stars where was false and had big mistakes in it
and that the millions of light years given was false. He then said that as
he lived nearby on the west side of town, he'd bring me some vcr tapes that
would prove his points (I only hope he never shows up!). By the time he left
at last, the moon was going behind local trees, so I packed up and came home
after getting 2 gals of gas. Going to sit down after taking some asprin,
with a big cup of hot coffee and I'm going to watch a Babylon 5 tape to ease
my poor mind.
This was a night I'd like to have skipped.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 11:53:02
From: Matthew Ota
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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It is the same old problem, when you try to compare apples and oranges.
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based on faith.
You would have to agree, at least that your own Church of Eternity is
based on faith and not on any scientific evidence.
Matthew Ota
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 23:03:59
From: Ioannis
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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"Matthew Ota" <otakenji@bigvalley.net > wrote in message
news:1164570782.105272.5960@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> It is the same old problem, when you try to compare apples and oranges.
>
> Science is based on fact.
For a scientist. For non-scientists it's as good as faith.
> Religion is based on faith.
>
> You would have to agree, at least that your own Church of Eternity is
> based on faith and not on any scientific evidence.
I don't think things are as clear cut as this. And I don't mean specifically
Dennis' church of eternity, of which I like the cartoons very much :-)
Without starting any flamewards, I'd like to make a few neutral remarks:
Take any scientifically agnostic person who believes in the Christian religion
and a real scientist.
Both persons are essentially "long term believers" in their very own niches.
The first believes that eventually everything is understandable through
sufficient study of the Bible, the second that eventually everything is
understandable through sufficient study of science. In reality, neither one's
knowledge is "attainable" through a rigid practical mechanism. Neither can
"examples" from either niche be totally convincing to the opposite party.
My mother [*] for example believes that God intervenes in her life and no
matter how hard she tries, she cannot convince me of this. Neither can I
/really/ convince her that the set of primes is infinite. She relies on my
"credibility" to /believe/ this statement. She has no way to verify this
herself.
And before you claim that technology has provided many examples of how science
works, let me say that I could explain to her how the stove works, but she has
no deep understanding of electricity, so she doesn't understand all the
operational details. My "explanation" would ultimately be based on faith, from
her perspective.
In other words, in the eyes of a sufficiently objective bystander, the two
persons' "beliefs" are equipotent.
> Matthew Ota
[*]: I mentioned my mother, because the other day she asked me about NASA's
missing tapes from the moon landing. I explained to her the story and I also
mentioned to her that throughout all these years there have been various
cranks who claimed that the US never went to the moon. She had watched the
landing in 1969 with me, but when she heard the news about the original tapes
missing, she became very suspicious and claimed that the entire thing is
highly questionable. She said, and I quote: "...those tapes missing must be
the most inexcusable thing I have ever heard. If there was a great monument of
humankind that must have been preserved like a diamond, it was those tapes..."
--
Ioannis
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The best way to predict reality, is to know exactly what you DON'T want.
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 13:55:58
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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Hi Ioannis, glad you like the cartoons, I've enjoyed the Dr.Strange comics
for years, that's why I have at lest 100 of them. But that last guy last
night, he was one of those who has an answer to EVERYTHING in the bible, all
the way from Black Holes to UFOs. Oh ya, his last statement was that UFO's
( which I have NEVER seen anything that sooner or later I found out it was
manmade and had a man at the controls, where Demons and that we would be
seeing them even more and more.
He paid no heed to my statements that I did NOT BELIVE in gods, demaons,
ufo's or anything like that. I might as well have been trying to talk to the
BRICKWALL that runs next to the trailer park driveway, doing so would get me
just as far. And I had to put up with him for 40 to 45 mins while his wife
and kid was inside having some ice cream to eat, which makes me wonder way
he wasn't in with them? He should have been protecting them from the ice
cream demon ;}
I as a normal rule get maybe one bible thumper a night, but 99.9% of the
time I can handle them in such a way that once they are gone, it's all over
with and Gone with the Wind. But this guy last night was one to test all of
my good nature and skills, and as I said, he'd make a good brother to olf
DJM himself.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
"Ioannis" <morpheus@olympus.mons > wrote in message
news:1164575042.983095@athprx03...
> "Matthew Ota" <otakenji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:1164570782.105272.5960@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I don't think things are as clear cut as this. And I don't mean
> specifically
> Dennis' church of eternity, of which I like the cartoons very much :-)
>
> Without starting any flamewards, I'd like to make a few neutral remarks:
>
> Take any scientifically agnostic person who believes in the Christian
> religion
> and a real scientist.
>
> Both persons are essentially "long term believers" in their very own
> niches.
> The first believes that eventually everything is understandable through
> sufficient study of the Bible, the second that eventually everything is
> understandable through sufficient study of science. In reality, neither
> one's
> knowledge is "attainable" through a rigid practical mechanism. Neither can
> "examples" from either niche be totally convincing to the opposite party.
>
> My mother [*] for example believes that God intervenes in her life and no
> matter how hard she tries, she cannot convince me of this. Neither can I
> /really/ convince her that the set of primes is infinite. She relies on my
> "credibility" to /believe/ this statement. She has no way to verify this
> herself.
>
> And before you claim that technology has provided many examples of how
> science
> works, let me say that I could explain to her how the stove works, but she
> has
> no deep understanding of electricity, so she doesn't understand all the
> operational details. My "explanation" would ultimately be based on faith,
> from
> her perspective.
>
> In other words, in the eyes of a sufficiently objective bystander, the two
> persons' "beliefs" are equipotent.
>
>> Matthew Ota
>
> [*]: I mentioned my mother, because the other day she asked me about
> NASA's
> missing tapes from the moon landing. I explained to her the story and I
> also
> mentioned to her that throughout all these years there have been various
> cranks who claimed that the US never went to the moon. She had watched the
> landing in 1969 with me, but when she heard the news about the original
> tapes
> missing, she became very suspicious and claimed that the entire thing is
> highly questionable. She said, and I quote: "...those tapes missing must
> be
> the most inexcusable thing I have ever heard. If there was a great
> monument of
> humankind that must have been preserved like a diamond, it was those
> tapes..."
> --
> Ioannis
> -------
> The best way to predict reality, is to know exactly what you DON'T want.
>
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 16:22:43
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:03:59 +0200, "Ioannis" <morpheus@olympus.mons >
wrote:
>Take any scientifically agnostic person who believes in the Christian religion
>and a real scientist.
>
>Both persons are essentially "long term believers" in their very own niches.
>The first believes that eventually everything is understandable through
>sufficient study of the Bible, the second that eventually everything is
>understandable through sufficient study of science...
You're painting with too broad a brush. There is no requirement that
Christians believe in the literal truth of the Bible, nor that
everything can be understood through its study. At a minimum, Christians
need to be placed in two categories- Bible literalists, who are either
fools or just plain stupid, and the rest, who practice Christian
philosophy in one form or another. There is no conflict between science
and the beliefs of the latter (who I'm quite certain represent the
majority of Christians).
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 18:54:22
From: Ioannis
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote in message
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[snip]
> You're painting with too broad a brush. There is no requirement that
> Christians believe in the literal truth of the Bible, nor that
> everything can be understood through its study. At a minimum, Christians
> need to be placed in two categories- Bible literalists, who are either
> fools or just plain stupid, and the rest, who practice Christian
> philosophy in one form or another. There is no conflict between science
> and the beliefs of the latter (who I'm quite certain represent the
> majority of Christians).
Apparently you haven't ever spoken to a Jehova's Wittness. :-)
Although a non-practicing Christian myself, I /think/ these guys probably
represent the culmination of all Christian denominations, in terms of depth of
study (never mind their other aspects of which I am fully aware, btw). From a
couple of short talks I've had with them, they reduce almost everything to the
Bible. I therefore think the term "representative" carries with it a certain
sense of "seriousness" and "depth" of study. And I know of no other
denomination that has gone so far in terms of literal explanations. That's why
I picked this example. But you are right: There are much more lucid
denominations which do not consist of literalists, but I don't consider those
to be representative.
My point with my previous response was that to a non-scientist, science is as
good as faith, so the two /extremes/ are basically irreconcilable.
So I was basically defending Dennis' application of those Dr. Strange comic
cartoons, because the point of "ultimately it's faith" oftentimes extends even
to scientists who do not happen to know EVERYTHING.
So, even with a scientist or amateur scientist/astronomer, oftentimes the
stuff he is not knowledgeable in (like sections of science he is not fluent
at) can nicely be lumped/portrayed in a more abstract way, as in, for example,
with those cartoons that Dennis has put up.
It does not in any way denote "faith" in anything supernatural, in the same
sense that, say, religious people employ "faith". In fact, if any religious
person asked me to "show them God", I'd take them to 6.5+ skies and ask them
to stare at the nightsky. Now cut a crude humanlike outline against that, and
you've got Dr. Strange's cartoons. Nothing metaphysical about that :-)
[snip]
> Chris L Peterson
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Ioannis
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 02:18:01
From: lal_truckee
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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Ioannis wrote:
> Neither can I
> /really/ convince her that the set of primes is infinite. She relies on my
> "credibility" to /believe/ this statement. She has no way to verify this
> herself.
If she can multiply and divide, she can understand the infinite primes
proof - it's a very simple, elegant proof. "One from the book."
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 13:32:56
From: Ioannis
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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"lal_truckee" <lal_truckee@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:tbrbh.6361$wc5.3604@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> Ioannis wrote:
> > Neither can I
> > /really/ convince her that the set of primes is infinite. She relies on my
> > "credibility" to /believe/ this statement. She has no way to verify this
> > herself.
>
> If she can multiply and divide, she can understand the infinite primes
> proof
Well, she can certainly multiply and divide, but I would seriously doubt that
she can grasp the /mathematical/ meaning of "infinite". She's just a cute
mother afterall. Not a mathematician :-)
Anyway, I think most non-scientists understand the notion of "infinite" (if
they do, at all) from a more philosophical point of view, as a "tag" or
"placeholder/name" for something without bounds, or something /very very/ big.
Since empirical evidence outside mathematics for the existence of anything
with the "property" infinity does not really exist, fully understanding the
/mathematical/ notion of "infinite", which is ultimately an abstract mental
concept, I think requires a dedicated mathematical mind and considerable
experience. And even then, I am not 100% sure that ALL mathematicans out there
can actually grasp the notion without considerable effort. And then, even
/more/ effort is required when the mathematican understands that there are
even different kinds of infinity. But this raises a whole can of worms, which
quickly becomes OT, so I won't address it. To conclude: My mother /definitely/
cannot understand the notion of mathematical infinity, so she cannot possibly
understand the infinity of primes proof.
> - it's a very simple, elegant proof. "One from the book."
At least one more amateur astronomer here knows Erdos (and Euclid) :-)
--
Ioannis
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 03:16:02
From: Eskimow Jon
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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why do you waste your time onsuch nonsense - young I guess.
Starlord wrote:
> All of this will not be in the rosamond report, just a slight hint, but
> tonight was a major event for me kind of. No not from the foster freeze,
> that I only wish it could have been! No it was Bible thumpers and one of
> them I would almost bet was/is related to our so loved DJM!!!
>
> The first one of 3 was by himself and was the first one to say that he
> didn't belive that this earth was not over 6,000 years old and that no star
> was over 1,000 light years away. It was getting cold so he didn't stay.
>
> A short while later 2 familys came over, I was set up on the moon and the
> kids loved seeing it so close (I had my telvue 17mm in the EP slot) and I
> gave them a copy of my astro news sheet. That's when one of the dad's took
> his turn and looked at the moon and then he asked if I knew who made the
> moon,(oh no I was thinking) and I said that it was close to something like
> 3.5 billion years old or more and the top running deal now shows it was made
> after the earth was hit when still young. You can figure what he said
> ofcourse, but I played it cool and just let him talk and then I'd point out
> the facts as we know them now. At last he could see I wasn't going to change
> my ideas and he gave up. The other dad came back over and got one of my
> astro sheets and took a look at the moon and handed me a $10 bill and said
> "You did better than most other people do, good job". Oh ya, that first dad
> also said the earth was not older than 10,000 years, I looked at him then
> and said "Well if that's so, then I'm not standing next to a telescope who's
> metal was taken brom rock ore that was at lest a billion years old. That had
> stopped that thread of talk.
>
> After they left I had about 30 mins of rest then the local DJM stopped! And
> the rest of the time was pure hell. He had an answer for everything, the
> earth was only 5,000 years old, the great flood of the old bible had been
> what killed the Dino's and that man had lived amoung them. That the old foak
> tales of Dagons was just tales of the Dino's. Then he said that the way
> they told how far away the stars where was false and had big mistakes in it
> and that the millions of light years given was false. He then said that as
> he lived nearby on the west side of town, he'd bring me some vcr tapes that
> would prove his points (I only hope he never shows up!). By the time he left
> at last, the moon was going behind local trees, so I packed up and came home
> after getting 2 gals of gas. Going to sit down after taking some asprin,
> with a big cup of hot coffee and I'm going to watch a Babylon 5 tape to ease
> my poor mind.
>
> This was a night I'd like to have skipped.
>
> --
> There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
> universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
> Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
> brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
> heavens.
>
> The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
> Telescope Buyers FAQ
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord
> Sidewalk Astronomy
> www.sidewalkastronomy.info
> The Church of Eternity
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 07:36:18
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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" > why do you waste your time onsuch nonsense - young I guess."
And just what do you call nonsense? Young? Will I'm not as old as the Stars,
so I could say I'm young compaired to them, but in mans ages I'll be 60 in
another 1 year 1 month.
But what do you mean by Nonsense? Sidewalk Astronomy? If that's what you
mean, then you are not one to ever take the time and have the enjoyment of
seeing and talking to people about the stars, planets, moons and showing
them what you can. In that case you will miss out on a good thing in life.
You mostly likly would remain at home with your next playstation playing
video games instead of bring the wonders of the sky to the people.
Over 8 years I've done Sidewalk Astronomy here, and before that there was 4
years of it over in Hawaii, so it's safe to say Dennis Bishop Sidewalk
Astronomer.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
"Eskimow Jon" <mathilda@ooops.org > wrote in message
news:456AACD2.6227E1B7@ooops.org...
> why do you waste your time onsuch nonsense - young I guess.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 16:33:22
From: Matthew Ota
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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This reminds me of something I read about John Dobson. He was
proselytizing at one of his appearances.
When I do astronomy outreach, I stick to the topic of astronomy as a
science. I do not bring any religious beliefs into my talks. But I
always take stabs at UFOlogists and astrologers.
I have no business trying to force my own religious beliefs on anybody
else. Just to expose them to reason and the scientific method.
Starlord wrote:
> "> why do you waste your time onsuch nonsense - young I guess."
>
> And just what do you call nonsense? Young? Will I'm not as old as the Stars,
> so I could say I'm young compaired to them, but in mans ages I'll be 60 in
> another 1 year 1 month.
>
> But what do you mean by Nonsense? Sidewalk Astronomy? If that's what you
> mean, then you are not one to ever take the time and have the enjoyment of
> seeing and talking to people about the stars, planets, moons and showing
> them what you can. In that case you will miss out on a good thing in life.
> You mostly likly would remain at home with your next playstation playing
> video games instead of bring the wonders of the sky to the people.
>
> Over 8 years I've done Sidewalk Astronomy here, and before that there was 4
> years of it over in Hawaii, so it's safe to say Dennis Bishop Sidewalk
> Astronomer.
>
>
>
> --
> There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
> universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
> Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
> brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
> heavens.
>
>
> The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
> Telescope Buyers FAQ
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord
> Sidewalk Astronomy
> www.sidewalkastronomy.info
> The Church of Eternity
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
>
>
> "Eskimow Jon" <mathilda@ooops.org> wrote in message
> news:456AACD2.6227E1B7@ooops.org...
> > why do you waste your time onsuch nonsense - young I guess.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 18:59:31
From: whowell
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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Matthew Ota wrote:
> This reminds me of something I read about John Dobson. He was
> proselytizing at one of his appearances.
I've never been to an appearance of John Dobson that he DIDN"T
proselytize!! I don't recall ever being at a meeting where he was
speaking that a goodly portion of the audience didn't get up and walk
out--usually to rude remarks from Dobson.
I was at an OCA meeting in the mid-seventies where the Chapman College
students in attendance (perhaps 30 of them)started heckling and
challanging him until he started cursing at them and they left in a
block--then complained to the Dean at CC.
Wayne Howell
Photon Phlats Observatory
Port Townsend, WA
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 01:39:55
From: Baby Rasheed
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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Well Wayner, in defense of John: Screw you!
whowell wrote:
> Matthew Ota wrote:
> > This reminds me of something I read about John Dobson. He was
> > proselytizing at one of his appearances.
>
> I've never been to an appearance of John Dobson that he DIDN"T
> proselytize!! I don't recall ever being at a meeting where he was
> speaking that a goodly portion of the audience didn't get up and walk
> out--usually to rude remarks from Dobson.
>
> I was at an OCA meeting in the mid-seventies where the Chapman College
> students in attendance (perhaps 30 of them)started heckling and
> challanging him until he started cursing at them and they left in a
> block--then complained to the Dean at CC.
>
> Wayne Howell
> Photon Phlats Observatory
> Port Townsend, WA
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 03:06:54
From: John Carruthers
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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>
> My point with my previous response was that to a non-scientist, science is as
> good as faith, so the two /extremes/ are basically irreconcilable.
>
But the non scientist can always go out and do the experiment, verify
the facts for themselves, test the statement.
jc
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 18:41:11
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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On 1 Dec 2006 03:06:54 -0800, "John Carruthers"
<joncarruthers@hotmail.com > wrote:
>But the non scientist can always go out and do the experiment, verify
>the facts for themselves, test the statement.
That depends on what you mean by "non scientist". I know many people who
are not professional scientists, but who would understand and accept the
results of an experiment (although in most cases they wouldn't do the
experiment themselves). In one sense, these are "non scientists". But
there's another kind: people who are anti-science, or simply lack all
understanding of science. These people simply have no faith (for lack of
a better word <g >) in scientific conclusions. An experiment, carried out
right in front of their own eyes, might not serve to convince them of a
physical truth.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 20:25:31
From: Ioannis
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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"John Carruthers" <joncarruthers@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164971214.815544.139360@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> >
> > My point with my previous response was that to a non-scientist, science is
as
> > good as faith, so the two /extremes/ are basically irreconcilable.
> >
>
> But the non scientist can always go out and do the experiment, verify
> the facts for themselves, test the statement.
Yes, hold on a sec. I will advise that 65 year old friend of mine from that
remote village in Crete, who tends sheep and makes goat cheese to start his
experiments in astronomical spectroscopy and quantum mechanics, asap.
Who knows? Maybe he will be able to verify some scientific results before he
dies!
> jc
--
Ioannis
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 03:03:06
From: John Carruthers
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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> I as a normal rule get maybe one bible thumper a night, but 99.9% of the
> time I can handle them in such a way that once they are gone, it's all over
> with and Gone with the Wind. But this guy last night was one to test all of
> my good nature and skills, and as I said, he'd make a good brother to olf
> DJM himself.
I generally ask which version of "The" Bible they use, the one with the
ten commandments or the older one with 304 ? ;-))
jc
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 00:33:17
From: John Carruthers
Subject: Re: Beyond Rosamond Report
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Ioannis wrote:
> "John Carruthers" <joncarruthers@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164971214.815544.139360@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My point with my previous response was that to a non-scientist, science is
> as
> > > good as faith, so the two /extremes/ are basically irreconcilable.
> > >
> >
> > But the non scientist can always go out and do the experiment, verify
> > the facts for themselves, test the statement.
>
> Yes, hold on a sec. I will advise that 65 year old friend of mine from that
> remote village in Crete, who tends sheep and makes goat cheese to start his
> experiments in astronomical spectroscopy and quantum mechanics, asap.
>
> Who knows? Maybe he will be able to verify some scientific results before he
> dies!
>
Why not, I had to start from scratch at the age of 44 :-) I had to
build my own equipment on a shoestring, learn to write again. Now at 49
I've almost completed a BSc Hons. If I can, anyone can.
jc
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