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Date: 15 Nov 2006 15:30:51
From: Starlord
Subject: Awards and Dammed ;}
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For the last week I've been drawing up a set of specks I could use to judge
the lighting found on and around stores and even homes.
I need to make up a set of certs and here's what will happen.
Those that have lighting that I judge will not add lots of light to the
skyglow of Rosamond, will get a cert noting that.
Those that fail will get a cet saying that too.
Then I will not only give the RSCD a list of each ones, but also send the
two lists to newspapers.
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The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:07:07
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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Starlord wrote:
> For the last week I've been drawing up a set of specks I could use to
> judge the lighting found on and around stores and even homes.
>
> I need to make up a set of certs and here's what will happen.
>
> Those that have lighting that I judge will not add lots of light to the
> skyglow of Rosamond, will get a cert noting that.
>
> Those that fail will get a cet saying that too.
>
> Then I will not only give the RSCD a list of each ones, but also send the
> two lists to newspapers.
>
>
>
When you give out the certs, I'd make an extra effort to give them some
easily readable and understandable documentation on light pollution. Also,
if there is any way that reducing a business's light pollution can save
them money I'd point that out "First Thing" in the accompanying
documentation. Try to make it positive. Kind of like, "Hey i looked at your
house and you know what? that wire coming into your house is worn bare and
when it rubs against the wet wood it makes the meter spin like crazy, costs
you a fortune" and of course be truthful, if you hype like a friggin
advertiser does they wont buy into it. (Nothing turns me off more than
about 90% of those stupid ads on the radio most of which are lies or damned
lies)
Good luck with your endeavor :-)
Eric
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:21:12
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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As for homes, I was thinking of not a cert on them, but put forth an idea of
what they could do. At the park the other night, across the street was a
home with two floodlamps on the front of their gerage, which burned all the
time. I would say to put a motion detec on it so they would come on when
anyone walked or drove into their parking place in their driveway, it would
save them some $$ over time.
Ofcourse if they are like anything like the owner of this trailer park, it
would be a lost cause, he's got his 150watt front step lamp on now 24hours a
day. It lights up the front of my place real good.
My main thrust will be towards outdoor lighting around shops. The number one
good place in town is a gas station! they have QH lamps on the outside of
their building, BUT they are on the bottem of a housing that blocks the
light from shining upward, just a bit of reflected light but it's far less
than some others. They are on the good list.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
"Eric" <NoOne@invalid.com > wrote in message
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> Starlord wrote:
>
>> For the last week I've been drawing up a set of specks I could use to
>> judge the lighting found on and around stores and even homes.
>>
>> I need to make up a set of certs and here's what will happen.
>>
>> Those that have lighting that I judge will not add lots of light to the
>> skyglow of Rosamond, will get a cert noting that.
>>
>> Those that fail will get a cet saying that too.
>>
>> Then I will not only give the RSCD a list of each ones, but also send the
>> two lists to newspapers.
>>
>>
>>
> When you give out the certs, I'd make an extra effort to give them some
> easily readable and understandable documentation on light pollution. Also,
> if there is any way that reducing a business's light pollution can save
> them money I'd point that out "First Thing" in the accompanying
> documentation. Try to make it positive. Kind of like, "Hey i looked at
> your
> house and you know what? that wire coming into your house is worn bare and
> when it rubs against the wet wood it makes the meter spin like crazy,
> costs
> you a fortune" and of course be truthful, if you hype like a friggin
> advertiser does they wont buy into it. (Nothing turns me off more than
> about 90% of those stupid ads on the radio most of which are lies or
> damned
> lies)
> Good luck with your endeavor :-)
> Eric
>
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:55:59
From: Patrick Edward Murray
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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Dennis,
Let us know how you make out and the response when you "OUT" the Light
Polluters.
I would very much like to do the same.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:51:44
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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I'm planing on started Dec.1st, have to allow some give and take for the
holiday time, but can still do the main ones and I already know who's #1 on
the Dammed List. Diamond Jims casino.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
"Patrick Edward Murray" <ed1ward2@verizon.net > wrote in message
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> Dennis,
>
> Let us know how you make out and the response when you "OUT" the Light
> Polluters.
> I would very much like to do the same.
>
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 08:55:18
From:
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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Starlord wrote:
> Those that have lighting that I judge will not add lots of light to the
> skyglow of Rosamond, will get a cert noting that.
You'll end up "shooting yourself in the foot" because you're inviting
people to "write you off" as a crank.
Your basic idea is good, but talking about skyglow is not. Most people
couldn't care less about skyglow so you need to phrase your arguments
toward something they do care about.
Talk about lights that actually make it harder to see. No need to
mention that the same fixtures are the ones most contributing to
skyglow.
When looking into the distance do you/they primarily see the lamp
(polluting light) or do you primarily see the illuminated area (good
light fixture).
Properly "shaded" (not shielded) lights aid vision, using unshaded
lights demonstrates a disregard for good visibility.
Bright lights are like loud noises, because they can't be ignored, they
demand attention.
Since good visibility is vitally important: Should it be acceptable to
operate lights in a manner that can impair vision?
Good Luck,
Doug Kniffen
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 10:47:18
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Awards and Dammed ;}
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Just to let you know, I've had to deal with the public for a lot of reasons
during my life span and that also means the local groverment at the same
time. And while I may have my own reasons for doing things, I know from past
dealings and also hearing what people say while talking, I know how to
interface with them. Take the sign on the side of my car, for those who know
who I am and what I do, they understand it and don't say anything. Those who
have asked what it means, instead of saying it's to save the dark sky and
such, I tell them it's to help save energy, to replace the old lights which
cost more to run and to install better ones which bring about a safer street
to be on and overall lower the tax the home owners have to pay to keep the
lights on. This has won me at lest a small amount of suport.
And while they don't know it, they are helping my viewing of the sky too.
Just like when I lived in Honolulu, Hi and the parks department banned the
flying of model rockets at the park. I took all my docs, my rockets and even
engines and had a meeting with the city grovement with the mayor there too.
After the meeting I put on a good display and launch the very next saturday.
I flew a total of 50 rockets, all the way up to an F100 powered V2 (in them
days that was awesome power), this was in the early 70's. I got the OK for
flying model rockets from that point on. I was hosting at lest 2 ot 3 meets
a year over there then.
That's why I'm thinking over each and every angle of this that I'll be
doing. With the rate of almost 600 new homes a year going into Rosamond and
new stores being built and opening next year, I figure it's time to see if I
can have a little effect on the lighting.
After all, it was my actions which have gotten RSCD to have a set type of
lighting that the building companys now have to go by in the Rosamond area,
it's now part of the local building codes.
Just like my car, today it's on a dam the car list, went out and the battery
was all but dead and I couldn't get to the store, so I'm eating whatever I
can to bring my BS up from the 46 it was this early am. And have a charger
on the battery for a long charge, but I've got a feeling it not a good deal
either.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
<dk@usmo.com > wrote in message
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>
> You'll end up "shooting yourself in the foot" because you're inviting
> people to "write you off" as a crank.
>
> Your basic idea is good, but talking about skyglow is not. Most people
> couldn't care less about skyglow so you need to phrase your arguments
> toward something they do care about.
>
> Talk about lights that actually make it harder to see. No need to
> mention that the same fixtures are the ones most contributing to
> skyglow.
>
> When looking into the distance do you/they primarily see the lamp
> (polluting light) or do you primarily see the illuminated area (good
> light fixture).
>
> Properly "shaded" (not shielded) lights aid vision, using unshaded
> lights demonstrates a disregard for good visibility.
>
> Bright lights are like loud noises, because they can't be ignored, they
> demand attention.
>
> Since good visibility is vitally important: Should it be acceptable to
> operate lights in a manner that can impair vision?
>
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Doug Kniffen
>
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