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Date: 01 Aug 2006 16:19:54
From: MThomas
Subject: A disgrace!
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This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
Have fun at the museum Ed Conrad!!
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:05:11
From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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MThomas wrote:
> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
Some would argue that it's a disgrace to religion, too. Certainly the
late Pope John Paul II, who acknowledged the reality of evolution, the
big bang, and (centuries belatedly) heliocentricity, would consider the
museum to be folly. (Presumably it's now up to Pope Benny to allow
exoplanets to exist, as JP2 neglected to apologize for Bruno. But i
digress.)
If it helps you feel better, Kent "Dr. Dino" Hovind's museum has been
shut down by the feds, and the good "Dr." himself has been arrested for
tax evasion (shame! see Mt 22:17-21) and other financial chicanery
(tsk, tsk! Lk 16:9). No creation museum is good, but we probably got a
good deal in the swap. Dr. Dino is a few fossils short of a skeleton,
and he's so loopy that he embarrasses *other* YECs!
Clear skies!
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 16:55:11
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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For real? I mean, the museum may be an insult to intelligence, but
what's the legal basis for closure?
>"Cousin Ricky" <rickyusvi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If it helps you feel better, Kent "Dr. Dino" Hovind's museum has been
>shut down by the feds, and the good "Dr." himself has been arrested for
>tax evasion (shame! see Mt 22:17-21) and other financial chicanery
>(tsk, tsk! Lk 16:9). No creation museum is good, but we probably got a
>good deal in the swap. Dr. Dino is a few fossils short of a skeleton,
>and he's so loopy that he embarrasses *other* YECs!
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- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
http://flavorj.com/~skysea
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:54:55
From: SZumbo
Subject: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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I am glad to see a museum that will display the creation model of origins.
It's about time. I respect the materials that AiG puts out. They point out
the poor assumptions behind much evolutionary evidence, while showing that
much of what we see in nature fits better with a creation model.
You fellas know a lot about amateur astronomy skills and equipment, and I
respect you for that, but I don't respect your sarcastic comments to
material and exibits you haven't even seen! Perhaps without meaning to, you
are becoming people like Paul describes in the first chapter of the Epistle
to the Romans:
(Rom 1:18 GNB) God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and
evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known.
(Rom 1:19 GNB) God punishes them, because what can be known about God is
plain to them, for God himself made it plain.
(Rom 1:20 GNB) Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities,
both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they
are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no
excuse at all!
(Rom 1:21 GNB) They know God, but they do not give him the honor that
belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become
complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.
(Rom 1:22 GNB) They say they are wise, but they are fools;
(Rom 1:23 GNB) instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images
made to look like mortals or birds or animals or reptiles.
The Grand Canyon is claimed by evolutionists to be the evidence of gradual
process and a fossil record, both supporting evolution; however, they
weren't there when it happened--they're just speculating at best. It could
instead be evidence for a massive, cataclismic event(s) over a very short
time, burying many life forms quickly enough under many feet of sediments,
enabling rock layers to form, and in them, fossils. We now know from events
like Mount Saint Helens that sediment layers can form very rapidly on the
order of days or weeks. And Mount Saint Helens is nothing compared to the
geologic processes implied in a worldwide flood that lasted over a year,
according to God and Noah, who were there.
You may mock creation and say it never happened. Apostle Peter prophesied
that people would do just that:
(2Pe 3:3 GNB Good News Bible) First of all, you must understand that in the
last days some people will appear whose lives are controlled by their own
lusts. They will make fun of you
(2Pe 3:4 GNB) and will ask, "He promised to come, didn't he? Where is he?
Our ancestors have already died, but everything is still the same as it was
since the creation of the world!"
(2Pe 3:5 GNB) They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a
command, and the heavens and earth were created. The earth was formed out of
water and by water,
(2Pe 3:6 GNB) and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old
world was destroyed.
(2Pe 3:7 GNB) But the heavens and the earth that now exist are being
preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire. They
are being kept for the day when godless people will be judged and destroyed.
(2Pe 3:8 GNB) But do not forget one thing, my dear friends! There is no
difference in the Lord's sight between one day and a thousand years; to him
the two are the same.
(2Pe 3:9 GNB) The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some
think. Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to
be destroyed, but wants all to turn away from their sins.
Interestingly, Jesus claimed His return to Earth will be just as real and as
sudden as the flood of Noah's day:
Mat 24:37 The coming of the Son of Man will be like what happened in the
time of Noah.
Mat 24:38 In the days before the flood people ate and drank, men and women
married, up to the very day Noah went into the boat;
Mat 24:39 yet they did not realize what was happening until the flood came
and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Jesus says we should believe his claims about earthly events like creation
and the Flood, as well as heavenly things like sin and salvation and the
reality of heaven:
(Joh 3:11 GNB) I am telling you the truth: we speak of what we know and
report what we have seen, yet none of you is willing to accept our message.
(Joh 3:12 GNB) You do not believe me when I tell you about the things of
this world; how will you ever believe me, then, when I tell you about the
things of heaven?
I hope to see the AiG Creation museum someday, though it's difficult for me
to travel. Until then, I'll keep reading and looking up!
Sincerely, Steve
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:01:26
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:54:55 -0500, "SZumbo" <zumbinis@comcast.net >
wrote:
>I am glad to see a museum that will display the creation model of origins.
>It's about time. I respect the materials that AiG puts out. They point out
>the poor assumptions behind much evolutionary evidence, while showing that
>much of what we see in nature fits better with a creation model...
There are newsgroups for foolish people who don't know how to think, but
this isn't one of them. You should post your nonsense there.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:18:18
From: Eugene Griessel
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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"SZumbo" <zumbinis@comcast.net > wrote:
>I am glad to see a museum that will display the creation model of origins.
I know a museum that displays a fairytale woods filled with teddy
bears. It does not make it a valid display of reality.
>It's about time. I respect the materials that AiG puts out. They point out
>the poor assumptions behind much evolutionary evidence, while showing that
>much of what we see in nature fits better with a creation model.
Indeed? Creation of course assumes an unknown, illogical and erratic
creator that does all sorts of weird things for its amusement. A
truly sadistic creator as well. In fact because one cannot dispute
any point in creationism the entire concept takes on a truly magical
quality - outside the realm of any critical thought or consideration
of practical humans.
>
>You fellas know a lot about amateur astronomy skills and equipment, and I
>respect you for that, but I don't respect your sarcastic comments to
>material and exibits you haven't even seen! Perhaps without meaning to, you
>are becoming people like Paul describes in the first chapter of the Epistle
>to the Romans:
While I respect your viewpoint why should I respect your quoting a
character who probably never wrote what you are quoting as his words?
>
>(Rom 1:18 GNB) God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and
>evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known.
What a petulant and infantile God. A so-called perfect entity that
cannot create perfect creations. Truly puzzling.
>
>(Rom 1:19 GNB) God punishes them, because what can be known about God is
>plain to them, for God himself made it plain.
I have never met this God - so how could it make anything plain?
>(Rom 1:20 GNB) Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities,
>both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they
>are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no
>excuse at all!
I have never seen any of these invisible qualities, eternal power or
divine nature - and I doubt anyone else ever has. Unless they have
been using some truly mind-bending chemicals.
>
>(Rom 1:21 GNB) They know God, but they do not give him the honor that
>belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become
>complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.
Why should I honour the creation of other humans diseased minds?
>
>(Rom 1:22 GNB) They say they are wise, but they are fools;
Wisdom is easily discernable in its results - foolishness too. And
unfortunately the foolishness of religion by far outweighs its wisdom.
>(Rom 1:23 GNB) instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images
>made to look like mortals or birds or animals or reptiles.
Anyone who worships an unknown entity, whether it be a mythical or
real entity, is a fool.
>
>The Grand Canyon is claimed by evolutionists to be the evidence of gradual
>process and a fossil record, both supporting evolution; however, they
It is merely one of many such pieces of evidence - there are millions
more.
>weren't there when it happened--they're just speculating at best. It could
No - its examining the evidence, constructing hypotheses, testing them
and discarding those that do not fit the evidence and finally
concluding that from the evidence available a certain model fits best.
>instead be evidence for a massive, cataclismic event(s) over a very short
>time, burying many life forms quickly enough under many feet of sediments,
>enabling rock layers to form, and in them, fossils. We now know from events
>like Mount Saint Helens that sediment layers can form very rapidly on the
>order of days or weeks. And Mount Saint Helens is nothing compared to the
>geologic processes implied in a worldwide flood that lasted over a year,
>according to God and Noah, who were there.
Hmmm, a non sequitur if I've ever seen one. Mount St Helens is
largely an example of local deposition - the Grand Canyon is largely
an example of massive erosion. Two entirely different processes.
>
>You may mock creation and say it never happened. Apostle Peter prophesied
>that people would do just that:
>
>(2Pe 3:3 GNB Good News Bible) First of all, you must understand that in the
>last days some people will appear whose lives are controlled by their own
>lusts. They will make fun of you
>
>(2Pe 3:4 GNB) and will ask, "He promised to come, didn't he? Where is he?
>Our ancestors have already died, but everything is still the same as it was
>since the creation of the world!"
He promised he'd come in his apostles lifetime - did he keep that
promise? Not without some real convoluted thought, no.
>
>(2Pe 3:5 GNB) They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God gave a
>command, and the heavens and earth were created. The earth was formed out of
>water and by water,
>
>(2Pe 3:6 GNB) and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old
>world was destroyed.
How come this perfect creator had to destroy his creation? Obviously
nowhere near as perfect as you postulate.
>
>(2Pe 3:7 GNB) But the heavens and the earth that now exist are being
>preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire. They
>are being kept for the day when godless people will be judged and destroyed.
Again? The Creator must really be lousy at his job then.
>
<rest of biblical misinterpretation snipped as too inane to
contemplate >
>I hope to see the AiG Creation museum someday, though it's difficult for me
>to travel. Until then, I'll keep reading and looking up!
As PT Barnum said - "there's a sucker born every minute".
Eugene L Griessel
The right to die is the only right nature extends to humans. All other
rights are fictions, often more honoured in the breach than the compliance.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:15:53
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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"SZumbo" <zumbinis@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:BIKdnTxmjpiyo03ZnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com...
>I am glad to see a museum that will display the creation model of origins.
>It's about time. I respect the materials that AiG puts out. They point
>out the poor assumptions behind much evolutionary evidence, while showing
>that much of what we see in nature fits better with a creation model.
>
> You fellas know a lot about amateur astronomy skills and equipment, and I
> respect you for that, but I don't respect your sarcastic comments to
> material and exibits you haven't even seen! Perhaps without meaning to,
> you are becoming people like Paul describes in the first chapter of the
> Epistle to the Romans:
>
>
Out of your mind!
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 14:02:00
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
--
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"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:KaLzg.180979$771.74247@edtnps89...
> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
>
> Have fun at the museum Ed Conrad!!
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 19:11:55
From: Shawn Curry
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Starlord wrote:
> I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
Oh I dunno. When Jurassic Park came out a whole bunch of us from the
biotech company where I worked skipped out of the lab to go laugh at the
bad science. The local astronomy club could do the same with this place.
Shawn
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 19:34:36
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Well being it's across the country from me, I ani't goona waste the gas to
go see it. ;}
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"Shawn Curry" <scurryfifenynteam@comcastdotnet > wrote in message
news:hJ6dnc0NpelCZlLZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Starlord wrote:
>> I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
>
> Oh I dunno. When Jurassic Park came out a whole bunch of us from the
> biotech company where I worked skipped out of the lab to go laugh at the
> bad science. The local astronomy club could do the same with this place.
>
> Shawn
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:23:29
From: Shawn Curry
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Starlord wrote:
> Well being it's across the country from me, I ani't goona waste the gas to
> go see it. ;}
>
>
Good point...ditto.
Shawn
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:29:49
From: Joe S.
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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"Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > wrote in message
news:0b2dnZjkk4E8XlLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@inreach.com...
> I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
>
>
> --
> The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
>
> Telescope Buyers FAQ
> http://home.inreach.com/starlord
> Sidewalk Astronomy
> www.sidewalkastronomy.info
> Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
> In Garden Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
> Blast Off Online Gift Shop
> http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
> Astro Blog
> http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
>
>
>
>
> "MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:KaLzg.180979$771.74247@edtnps89...
>> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
>>
>> Have fun at the museum Ed Conrad!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Can you imagine being a biology or science teacher being confronted by one
or more students who have been there and who really do believe that shit??
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:44:51
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Can you picture me as the teacher loading the fool up with so many books and
so much homework that would be against that place that by the time he was
done he'd be an old man?
--
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"Joe S." <anon@mous.com > wrote in message
news:eaoh3u01bo3@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info> wrote in message
> news:0b2dnZjkk4E8XlLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@inreach.com...
>> I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
>
> Can you imagine being a biology or science teacher being confronted by one
> or more students who have been there and who really do believe that shit??
>
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 23:05:40
From: MThomas
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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>>>
>>
>>
>
> Can you imagine being a biology or science teacher being confronted by one
> or more students who have been there and who really do believe that shit??
NO I can't. BUT, they should open it up as an amusement park!!
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 16:59:05
From: Tim Oltrogge
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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"MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:KaLzg.180979$771.74247@edtnps89...
> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
In the beginning were the particles. And the particles became indignant.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 01:07:34
From:
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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SZumbo wrote:
> [...]
> (Rom 1:20 GNB) Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities,
> both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they
> are perceived in the things that God has made.
Such things as hurricanes, tornados, tsunami, plagues, pestilence,
AIDS.
Yes, He's really a loving and caring "creator" (more so a conniving
petulant
destroyer).
You should learn something (anything) about evolution before
criticizing
something out of ignorance. A good starting point is:
<http://evolution.berkeley.edu/ >
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 01:02:08
From:
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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SZumbo wrote:
> [...]
> (Rom 1:20 GNB) Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities,
> both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they
> are perceived in the things that God has made.
Such things as hurricanes, tornados, tsunami, plagues, pestilence,
AIDS.
Yes, He's really a loving and caring "creator" (more so a conniving
petulant
destroyer).
You should learn something (anything) about evolution before
criticizing
something out of ignorance. A good starting point is:
<http://evolution.berkeley.edu/ >
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 08:07:40
From: Eugene Griessel
Subject: Re: Think and study before you speak (was re: A disgrace)
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thad@thadlabs.com wrote:
>
>SZumbo wrote:
>> [...]
>> (Rom 1:20 GNB) Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities,
>> both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they
>> are perceived in the things that God has made.
>
>Such things as hurricanes, tornados, tsunami, plagues, pestilence,
>AIDS.
>Yes, He's really a loving and caring "creator" (more so a conniving
>petulant
>destroyer).
Paradoxically it was these very phenomena that led humans to create
gods in the misguided belief that their sycophantic prayers and
worship would aid in the control of natural phenomena.
>
>You should learn something (anything) about evolution before
>criticizing
>something out of ignorance. A good starting point is:
Agreed. I doubt if any of them has ever even read "Origin of Species"
let alone any later works.
Eugene L Griessel
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:53:55
From:
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Joe S. wrote:
> >
> > "MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:KaLzg.180979$771.74247@edtnps89...
> >> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
> >
>
> Can you imagine being a biology or science teacher being confronted by one
> or more students who have been there and who really do believe that shit?
That's why using pages from the Bible as toilet paper doesn't work too
well --
each page is already full (of it).
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:58:47
From: rat ~( );>
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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It Is a disgrace...
I never ceased to be amazed at the utter ignorance of our supposedly
intelligent race.
No wonder we can't seem to get it together.
rat
~( ); >
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 20:49:21
From: Rich
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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Joe S. wrote:
> "Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info> wrote in message
> news:0b2dnZjkk4E8XlLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@inreach.com...
> > I'll be ultra Happy to NEVER go to that place.
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
> >
> > Telescope Buyers FAQ
> > http://home.inreach.com/starlord
> > Sidewalk Astronomy
> > www.sidewalkastronomy.info
> > Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop
> > http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net
> > In Garden Online Gift Shop
> > http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden
> > Blast Off Online Gift Shop
> > http://www.cafepress.com/starlords
> > Astro Blog
> > http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "MThomas" <mikeman_80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:KaLzg.180979$771.74247@edtnps89...
> >> This is a disgrace to science, philosophy and intelligence!
> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
> >>
> >> Have fun at the museum Ed Conrad!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> Can you imagine being a biology or science teacher being confronted by one
> or more students who have been there and who really do believe that shit??
Absolute belief without solid facts? Sounds alot like global warming
theory supporters.
Looks like the radical left and the radical religious right are all
MORONS.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 18:59:15
From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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SkySea wrote:
> For real? I mean, the museum may be an insult to intelligence, but
> what's the legal basis for closure?
Payroll tax evasion. Treasury Department don't fool around.
Clear skies!
--
------------------- Richard Callwood III --------------------
~ U.S. Virgin Islands ~ USDA zone 11 ~ 18.3N, 64.9W ~
~ eastern Massachusetts ~ USDA zone 6 (1992-95) ~
--------------- http://cac.uvi.edu/staff/rc3/ ---------------
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 17:19:40
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: A disgrace!
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I think you could be confusing Hovind and his "Dinosaur Adventure
Land" in Pensacola, FL,
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060714/NEWS01/607140333/1006
with Ken Ham's et al's "Creation Museum" just outside Cincinnati (but
in KY):
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about.asp
There are more of this ilk with the means than one.
> "Cousin Ricky" <rickyusvi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Payroll tax evasion. Treasury Department don't fool around.
>Clear skies!
>------------------- Richard Callwood III --------------------
>~ U.S. Virgin Islands ~ USDA zone 11 ~ 18.3N, 64.9W ~
>~ eastern Massachusetts ~ USDA zone 6 (1992-95) ~
>--------------- http://cac.uvi.edu/staff/rc3/ ---------------
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- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
http://flavorj.com/~skysea
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