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Date: 13 Sep 2007 01:32:32
From: FOX oPinion
Subject: The Saga of Starlord !
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While I admired his street telescope time, the saga got
a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
In fact, there are literally thousands of people working to serve
their personal, club, and community interests in astronomy and
other hobbies .... all unadvertised ... so nothing new there either.
But none of these claiming the title of a: Starlord!
All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
Sorry.
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 06:23:43
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:07:38 GMT, "Dave" <dstaup@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> >Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
> >must be a liberal.
>
> And yet you are willing to use a word that describes the general
> philosophy of a significant percentage of the world as if it were a
> pejorative. The pot is calling the kettle black.
Belittling Starlord is a vicious personal attack, and a lack of
solidarity against an obscene forger who is stuffing this newsgroup
with garbage.
As for an uncalled-for remark slighting liberals... well, given the
previous poster calls himself "FOX oPinion", perhaps he is a
conservative, not a liberal. Even so, I think the liberals of *today*
have earned the pejorative status of their designation.
It used to be so simple.
Conservatives were the people who opposed the government doing
anything to help poor people. Conservatives were the ones who
advocated pandering to bigotry, because they thought we should go
slowly and carefully in doing something about the blatant and open
discrimination black people were subjected to. Conservatives weren't
concerned about women being paid less for the same work, and generally
thought they hadn't much business going beyond the home and children.
Liberals, instead, were the ones genuinely dedicated to the ideals of
freedom - for everyone, not for selfish power and privilege. Franklin
Delano Roosevelt and John Fitzgerald Kennedy were examplars of what it
meant to be liberal.
Roosevelt wasn't afraid to face Hitler, and Kennedy wasn't afraid to
face Khrushchev.
Now, though, it isn't so simple.
Perhaps it was McCarthyism that embittered some liberals, starting the
process. Certainly, the Vietnam War accelerated the process.
So, now, liberals still support the equality of women - but one of the
ways they choose to do so shows that they are now utter abysmal
hypocrites on the subject of equal rights. They support declaring
"open season" on children between the ages of zero and minus point
seven five - that is, they support legal abortion, instead of
demanding a Constitutional amendment to overturn Roe vs. Wade just as
one was needed to overturn Dred Scott.
Liberals continue the tradition of pressing for the equality of
minorities, without waiting for the country to catch up, by their
support for gay rights. Which is, by and large, not a bad thing. But
they slipped up by allowing themselves to be manipulated into helping
to oppose the application of standard public health measures to the
AIDS epidemic - although, as things have turned out, given the large
reservoir of HIV in Africa, it does seem that we did not miss any real
opportunity to nip the spread of AIDS in the bud. And they are also
showing a lack of respect for religious liberty by supporting
inclusion of "gay-positive" materials in the school curriculum, in
hopes of combatting violence against homosexuals. Children of all
faiths attend the public school system; the Bible denounces
homosexuality even in the New Testament; therefore, since there are
some denominations which teach an uncritical and literal acceptance of
everything written in the Bible, this constitutes an attempt by the
government to influence children against following the religious
beliefs of their parents - which is, of course, prohibited by the
First Amendment.
And, of course, the failure of liberals in America, as represented by
the Democratic Party, to rally strongly to the support of American
victory in Iraq, and to call for the measures necessary to quickly
stop the terrible loss of life to terrorist attacks of the Iraqi
people - don't liberals believe that Iraqis are people too - shows how
they have fallen.
No; if the people calling themselves "liberals" today deserved
respect, if they were like the liberals of old, a Democratic-
controlled Congress would have, by now, instituted the draft, so that
a "troop surge" large enough to be *effective* would give Iraqis the
peace and safety needed to nurture the infant democracy there.
And you wouldn't be hearing nonsense from Iran about a world without
Israel and America, and about preparing to build atom bombs. Not in a
world where America is admired for its liberal ideals on the one hand
(and by now has medicare, like the rest of the civilized world, and,
due to full employment, is well on the way towards making the
inequality of blacks a thing of the past) but is also known for its
unswerving resolve and determination (those things being supported in
a bipartisan manner, being so overwhelmingly supported by the American
people that neither mainstream party finds it profitable to cast
itself on the other side of those types of question).
Then American voters could happily vote Democrat all the time, instead
of being forced to choose between yucky Republicans and suicidally
dangerous Democrats, and winding up with the Republicans as the lesser
of two evils.
John Savard
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 07:37:29
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:23:43 -0700, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca > wrote:
>It used to be so simple...
No, it was never simple. And frankly, you are both ignorant and slightly
nuts if you think that there exist just two belief systems in this
country, "liberal" and "conservative", and that most people can be
placed in one camp or the other (or that your definitions of these words
are even accurate). I know that I couldn't possibly say that I'm either,
and the same is true for many people I know.
To the extent that people are asked to place themselves in one camp or
the other, it is simply rude to use either word as a pejorative.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 08:37:23
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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"Chris L Peterson" wrote
> To the extent that people are asked to place themselves in one camp or
> the other, it is simply rude to use either word as a pejorative.
Chris, it'd appear there are fewer and fewer politicians (at least) who are
"in the middle" or "moderate." I hope that's really not the case.
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 09:45:41
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:37:23 -0700, "Howard Lester" <hlester@mmto.org >
wrote:
>Chris, it'd appear there are fewer and fewer politicians (at least) who are
>"in the middle" or "moderate." I hope that's really not the case.
I agree that many, if not most, politicians have chosen in recent years
to sharply polarize themselves into two camps. But I don't think the
same is true of the citizenry at large. That's why it bothers me to see
what should be a general statement of political, fiscal, or social
viewpoint (liberal vs conservative) used in such a negative way. In
reality, there's a continuum of viewpoints along multiple axes.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 13:15:18
From: John Savard
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:45:41 -0600, Chris L Peterson
<clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote, in part:
>I agree that many, if not most, politicians have chosen in recent years
>to sharply polarize themselves into two camps. But I don't think the
>same is true of the citizenry at large.
I agree with you there, but when I see the term "Liberal" used as a
pejorative, I tend to assume it is being aimed at those who are
following the polarized politicians on that side.
Of course, in some contexts, it's clear that it's used _by_ those who
are following the polarized politicians on the other side, and applied
to anyone who disagrees with them. When that happens, I disagree with it
too.
John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 05:50:42
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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FOX oPinion wrote:
> While I admired his street telescope time, the saga got
> a little to much for me.
That may be, but since this group is under siege by a kook who babbles
on incessantly in an obscene manner, and now forges other people's
addresses to his posts, complaining about this "tard" and so on and so
forth... surely *that* is the more important menace to the newsgroup,
the category of post that more strongly departs from the canons of
good taste and constructive participation, than Starlord's posts, and
that is what we should all in solidarity be denouncing.
John Savard
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 09:21:38
From: AM
Subject: JMI Great Cust Service
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Just had a great experience with JMI this week.
Ordered an Event Horizon focuser from them and
some parts. Got an email from Steven Sherry
(case focuser production mgr.) going through my
order, revising it by deleting some parts, and
adding others.
Net result was over a $40 savings !
WoW !!! A company that actually saved me $$,
what a concept !!
Hats off to JMI for the fast/competent service !!
BTW, I think a new astronomer/observer is in the
making. After many many years of prodding, one of
my friends is finally going to buy a telescope.
Looks like it will be a Meade LightBridge 12.5
I cant wait !! (because I get to play with it)
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AM
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 22:07:38
From: Dave
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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"FOX oPinion" <hula@hoop.org > wrote in message
news:46E8D980.49A76544@hoop.org...
> While I admired his street telescope time, the saga got
> a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
> around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
> In fact, there are literally thousands of people working to serve
> their personal, club, and community interests in astronomy and
> other hobbies .... all unadvertised ... so nothing new there either.
> But none of these claiming the title of a: Starlord!
>
> All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
>
> Sorry.
>
>
>
>
>
Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
must be a liberal.
Dave
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 00:05:52
From: Nervous Mervis
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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Dave wrote:
> "FOX oPinion" <hula@hoop.org> wrote in message
> news:46E8D980.49A76544@hoop.org...
> > While I admired his street telescope time, the saga got
> > a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
> > around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
> > In fact, there are literally thousands of people working to serve
> > their personal, club, and community interests in astronomy and
> > other hobbies .... all unadvertised ... so nothing new there either.
> > But none of these claiming the title of a: Starlord!
> >
> > All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
> must be a liberal.
Cant please icebergs and plants.
>
> Dave
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 00:42:30
From: Terry B
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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> Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
> must be a liberal.
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> Dave
Ah the wonders of the english language. The liberals here in Oz are the
conservatives.
Stil doesn't matter though as Dennis has done a good job over the years and
his or my political feelings are irrelevent.
Terry B
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 00:21:37
From: Mark F.
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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" >>
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> Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
> must be a liberal.
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> Dave
>
I'm liberal and I don't do that. Except for Dr.Minn.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 16:14:35
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:07:38 GMT, "Dave" <dstaup@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Tis a small person who must belittle someone else to feel superior.
>must be a liberal.
And yet you are willing to use a word that describes the general
philosophy of a significant percentage of the world as if it were a
pejorative. The pot is calling the kettle black.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 13:38:18
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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On Sep 13, 1:32 am, FOX oPinion <h...@hoop.org > wrote:
> All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
>
> Sorry.
If you think so, you really didn't know anything about the man at all.
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 00:07:26
From: Nervous Mervis
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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RMOLLISE wrote:
> On Sep 13, 1:32 am, FOX oPinion <h...@hoop.org> wrote:
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> > All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
> >
> > Sorry.
>
> If you think so, you really didn't know anything about the man at all.
evidently. sorry if I am mistaken.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 09:25:48
From: I want my tard
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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In article <46E8D980.49A76544@hoop.org >,
FOX oPinion <hula@hoop.org > wrote:
>While I admired his street telescope time, the saga got
>a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
>around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
>In fact, there are literally thousands of people working to serve
>their personal, club, and community interests in astronomy and
>other hobbies .... all unadvertised ... so nothing new there either.
>But none of these claiming the title of a: Starlord!
>
>All a little too goofy and too sad for me.
>
>Sorry.
the tard is gone his spamming and stalking and plagiarising
caused the sporge floods in his honour tard tard spammertard
wagontard squeak squeak hobble clomping down 20th st
together they would fly like the wind
saa arsetronomers miss buggering spammertard dennis bishop
up the arse and investigating uranus together
at the star parties it used to be so much fun getting hard pissed
and naked and knackered felching gerbils tube in tube out
oooooooooohhhhh aaaaaaaahhhh wagontard radio flyer
oil my wagon
we saved his telescope page for chubby buggers please link to it
and get more arsetronomy google hits for your telescope search
http://tinyurl.com/ypt5fn
scammertard donations spammertard shitetard spam > http://tinyurl.com/ypt5fn
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 08:37:10
From: Pierre Vandevenne
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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FOX oPinion <hula@hoop.org > wrote in news:46E8D980.49A76544@hoop.org:
> a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
> around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
You are confusing Dennis Bishop with Al Nagler. ]:- >
--
Pierre Vandevenne - DataRescue sa/nv - www.datarescue.com
The IDA Pro Disassembler & Debugger - world leader in hostile code analysis
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 07:50:31
From: DH
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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> a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
> around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
"vendors"???
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 00:04:23
From: Nervous Mervis
Subject: Re: The Saga of Starlord !
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DH wrote:
> > a little to much for me. There are hundreds of such vendors
> > around the country who seek no publicity, so nothing new there.
> "vendors"???
people who offer their time, skills, knowledge ... maybe you
have a better word. I wasnt referring to machines but people.
Ususually very humble people who simply go about their lives
and contribute to the happiness and welfare of others. No
rocket science here. Sorry.
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