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Date: 13 May 2007 14:03:30
From: Protagonist
Subject: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
JS
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Date: 14 May 2007 05:55:59
From:
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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> No. The Dogon tribe learned about Sirius's companion from Europeans in
> the early to mid 20th Century.
I don't think that's been well established. I'd say, rather, that the
leading theory about the origin of the Dogon's Sirius myths is
contact with Europeans. It's also possible that it's indigenous,
and that it's pure accident that the myth happens to have
some resemblance to scientific fact. With so many myths
to choose among, that's bound to happen sometimes!
I'll also give the "real knowledge" theory some status, with
perhaps one in a trillion probability of being correct.
- Tony flanders
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Date: 14 May 2007 14:31:43
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On 14 May 2007 05:55:59 -0700, tony_flanders@yahoo.com wrote:
>> No. The Dogon tribe learned about Sirius's companion from Europeans in
>> the early to mid 20th Century.
>
>I don't think that's been well established. I'd say, rather, that the
>leading theory about the origin of the Dogon's Sirius myths is
>contact with Europeans.
Hard to prove something like that, of course. But I'd say that it has
indeed been "well established". Dogon people had a lot of contact with
the rest of the world during the early 20th Century (they weren't at all
culturally isolated), and they were primed by their mythology to take an
interest in Sirius. There's no convincing evidence at all that the
Sirius companion part of their mythology is any older than their modern
contact with the rest of the world.
>I'll also give the "real knowledge" theory some status, with
>perhaps one in a trillion probability of being correct.
How did you calculate that? My own back-of-the-envelope math puts it
closer to 3.874 trillion. <g >
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 13 May 2007 21:12:53
From: thad@thadlabs.com
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On May 13, 4:58 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net > wrote:
> t...@thadlabs.com wrote:
> > On May 13, 2:03 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>
> >> So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
> >> the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
>
> > Nope, it's total bullshit (re: the Dogons; think cultural
> > contamination).
>
> > For more info:
>
> > <http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html>
>
> > A comment from Isaac Asimov is there, too (on the csicop.org page).
>
> What about the third star around Sirius?
> It only popped up in 1997?!
Sirius is a binary star system. Binary = 2. stars.
What "third star" do you mean? Where? References?
> How about these Ancient Egyptian Flying Vehicles carved in stone?
> Are these fake too?
Carvings exist. Interpreting what they represent is subject to,
natch,
interpretation. :-)
Many cultures deify their rulers and place them in the sky in art;
that
does not mean said rulers actually flew about.
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Date: 14 May 2007 07:11:00
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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thad@thadlabs.com wrote:
> On May 13, 4:58 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> t...@thadlabs.com wrote:
>>> On May 13, 2:03 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>>>> So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
>>>> the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
>>> Nope, it's total bullshit (re: the Dogons; think cultural
>>> contamination).
>>> For more info:
>>> <http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html>
>>> A comment from Isaac Asimov is there, too (on the csicop.org page).
>> What about the third star around Sirius?
>> It only popped up in 1997?!
>
> Sirius is a binary star system. Binary = 2. stars.
>
> What "third star" do you mean? Where? References?
>
>> How about these Ancient Egyptian Flying Vehicles carved in stone?
>> Are these fake too?
>
> Carvings exist. Interpreting what they represent is subject to,
> natch,
> interpretation. :-)
>
> Many cultures deify their rulers and place them in the sky in art;
> that
> does not mean said rulers actually flew about.
>
>
Abstract A number of possible sightings of a third star in the Sirius
system were reported in the 1920s. Astrometric observations have
recently ruled out the presence of a very close companion to either
Sirius A or B; however, a third star could exist at large distances. The
stability of possible orbits of such a third star was investigated and
it was found that the shortest stable orbital period is 275 years.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t767x6t75l50m472/
Sirius C: Anu
* This, the third of the Sirian stellar family, did also ascend
from the third dimension at the time of the Sirian shift.
* Although the scientific community has not confirmed the existence
of Sirius C, the Dogon knew of it by the name, Enome Ya, and they
described it too as revolving around Sirius A.
* Of the planets that orbited Anu, one did not achieve ascension
when the star, which remains in the fourth dimension, did not: that
planet is Nebiru, the home of the Annunaki.
* Nebiru was flung out of Sirius, was captured by our sun, and
ricocheted back to Sirius and it is to this day caught between the two
star systems, on an elliptical journey that takes approximately 3,600
years to complete.
http://www.sirianrevelations.net/star_a_b.shtml
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Date: 14 May 2007 14:20:27
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:11:00 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net >
wrote:
>Sirius C: Anu
>
> * This, the third of the Sirian stellar family, did also ascend
>from the third dimension at the time of the Sirian shift.
> * Although the scientific community has not confirmed the existence
>of Sirius C, the Dogon knew of it by the name, Enome Ya, and they
>described it too as revolving around Sirius A.
> * Of the planets that orbited Anu, one did not achieve ascension
>when the star, which remains in the fourth dimension, did not: that
>planet is Nebiru, the home of the Annunaki.
> * Nebiru was flung out of Sirius, was captured by our sun, and
>ricocheted back to Sirius and it is to this day caught between the two
>star systems, on an elliptical journey that takes approximately 3,600
>years to complete.
>http://www.sirianrevelations.net/star_a_b.shtml
Nothing but nonsense, of course. This stuff gets invented out of thin
air by ethically challenged authors who prey on the gullible and the
mentally ill.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 14 May 2007 22:14:39
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:11:00 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Sirius C: Anu
>>
>> * This, the third of the Sirian stellar family, did also ascend
>>from the third dimension at the time of the Sirian shift.
>> * Although the scientific community has not confirmed the existence
>> of Sirius C, the Dogon knew of it by the name, Enome Ya, and they
>> described it too as revolving around Sirius A.
>> * Of the planets that orbited Anu, one did not achieve ascension
>> when the star, which remains in the fourth dimension, did not: that
>> planet is Nebiru, the home of the Annunaki.
>> * Nebiru was flung out of Sirius, was captured by our sun, and
>> ricocheted back to Sirius and it is to this day caught between the two
>> star systems, on an elliptical journey that takes approximately 3,600
>> years to complete.
>> http://www.sirianrevelations.net/star_a_b.shtml
>
> Nothing but nonsense, of course. This stuff gets invented out of thin
> air by ethically challenged authors who prey on the gullible and the
> mentally ill.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
Well, Pluto was for a long time a theoretical planet, until it was
finally seen, end proven.
I'm sure, before Plutos discovery, lot of astronomers didn't believe it!
Sirius is 8 light years away, so it's lot harder to see details, using
todays technology.
Discovering other planets, around other stars is still in it's infancy.
But it's time will come!
JS
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Date: 15 May 2007 21:45:12
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:14:39 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net >
wrote:
>Well, Pluto was for a long time a theoretical planet, until it was
>finally seen, end proven.
>I'm sure, before Plutos discovery, lot of astronomers didn't believe it!
>Sirius is 8 light years away, so it's lot harder to see details, using
>todays technology.
Your point? There's no reason to doubt the possibility of another star
in the Sirius system. There's very good reason to doubt that the Dogon
mythology mentioned either a second or third star in the system until
_after_ they found out about Sirius B elsewhere.
As far as planets, the Sirius system isn't a very likely spot to find
any, especially planets capable of harboring life. No planetary orbits
are truly stable, but chaotic effects are significant in a multiple star
system. It's doubtful a planet could remain in a habitable zone long
enough for life to develop, let alone intelligent life.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 15 May 2007 21:57:35
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:14:39 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Pluto was for a long time a theoretical planet, until it was
>> finally seen, end proven.
>> I'm sure, before Plutos discovery, lot of astronomers didn't believe it!
>> Sirius is 8 light years away, so it's lot harder to see details, using
>> todays technology.
>
> Your point? There's no reason to doubt the possibility of another star
> in the Sirius system. There's very good reason to doubt that the Dogon
> mythology mentioned either a second or third star in the system until
> _after_ they found out about Sirius B elsewhere.
>
> As far as planets, the Sirius system isn't a very likely spot to find
> any, especially planets capable of harboring life. No planetary orbits
> are truly stable, but chaotic effects are significant in a multiple star
> system. It's doubtful a planet could remain in a habitable zone long
> enough for life to develop, let alone intelligent life.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
. The stability of possible orbits of such a third star was investigated
and it was found that the shortest stable orbital period is 275 years.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t767x6t75l50m472/
As above stated, a third stable star can exist with a 275 years orbital
period around Sirius. Dogon believed, there are planets orbit around
this third star.
I understand what you saying, with the violent attractions of Sirius A
and B at each other, B is being a white dwarf and sucking matter away
from A, hard to imagine any kind of life to emerge at any orbit period
as we know it.
Wonder what chaos a white dwarf would cause in our Solar system or even
near to it, radiating high energy particles, X and Gamma rays.
Dogon theory is more for UFO believers, to fuel their imagination.
JS
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Date: 13 May 2007 22:10:19
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:03:30 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net >
wrote:
>http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>
>So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
>the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
>JS
No. The Dogon tribe learned about Sirius's companion from Europeans in
the early to mid 20th Century.
BTW, Sirius is a double star, with a hint from orbital anomalies that
there might be a third component. That hasn't been verified. Also,
contrary to the link above, Sirius B was first seen by Alvan Clark in
the mid 1800s, not in 1970. The nature of Sirius was common knowledge to
many of the cultures that encountered the Dogon, and it isn't surprising
they'd latch onto any such information, given the importance that Sirius
played in their mythology (as in many other cultures).
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 13 May 2007 17:07:26
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:03:30 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>>
>> So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
>> the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
>> JS
>
> No. The Dogon tribe learned about Sirius's companion from Europeans in
> the early to mid 20th Century.
>
> BTW, Sirius is a double star, with a hint from orbital anomalies that
> there might be a third component. That hasn't been verified. Also,
> contrary to the link above, Sirius B was first seen by Alvan Clark in
> the mid 1800s, not in 1970. The nature of Sirius was common knowledge to
> many of the cultures that encountered the Dogon, and it isn't surprising
> they'd latch onto any such information, given the importance that Sirius
> played in their mythology (as in many other cultures).
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
What are these, fake?
Ancient Egyptian Flying Vehicles
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
I just wonder, what is the fascination with the Egyption pyramids, free
masons, obelisks, secret societies etc...
All US presidents were Free masons, Vatican put obelisks in Rome, there
is one obelisks in Washington.
What did the Egyptian knew , what Free masons admire today?
JS
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Date: 14 May 2007 01:24:11
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:07:26 -0700, Protagonist <szaki10@comcast.net >
wrote:
>What are these, fake?
>Ancient Egyptian Flying Vehicles
>http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
The images don't have to be fake for some people to see in them what
they want to see.
>What did the Egyptian knew , what Free masons admire today?
The Egyptians were a very long surviving civilization that left highly
visible (and impressive) remains. I don't find it surprising that many
admire their culture, nor that many see in it things that simply weren't
there.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 13 May 2007 14:39:19
From: thad@thadlabs.com
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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On May 13, 2:03 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net > wrote:
> http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>
> So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
> the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
Nope, it's total bullshit (re: the Dogons; think cultural
contamination).
For more info:
<http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html >
A comment from Isaac Asimov is there, too (on the csicop.org page).
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Date: 13 May 2007 16:58:04
From: Protagonist
Subject: Re: The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B
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thad@thadlabs.com wrote:
> On May 13, 2:03 pm, Protagonist <szak...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm
>>
>> So, is there any truth in this mystery, that Sirius is a triple star and
>> the Dogons tribe knew about it thousands of years before?
>
> Nope, it's total bullshit (re: the Dogons; think cultural
> contamination).
>
> For more info:
>
> <http://www.csicop.org/si/7809/sirius.html>
>
> A comment from Isaac Asimov is there, too (on the csicop.org page).
>
What about the third star around Sirius?
It only popped up in 1997?!
How about these Ancient Egyptian Flying Vehicles carved in stone?
Are these fake too?
JS
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