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Date: 04 Jul 2007 04:20:02
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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As Americans nationwide crank up your smokers and grills,
icing up your favorite brewskies, firing off or watching
fireworks (in my humble neighborhood they fire off guns),
making salads, baking beans, and generally having a good
time for the whole family, remember what America used to
be: a quasi- Judeo-Christian nation with some semblance
of faith in God, national patriotism, pride and dignity.
There was a time when God's Ten Commandments and Golden
Rules weren't egregious anathema to the U.S. Government.
There was a time when "all men are Created equal" meant
something to Americans -- even to the rich, politicians,
judges and lawyers! Remember, even the founding fathers
of this country showed a modicum of respect for God and
His immutable Law. Now, GOD IS DEAD in Washington, D.C.!
Rather, their gods are gods of gold, and gods of silver.
They worship Atheists and Atheism. They are Antichrists,
truly the whore of Babylon, the prostitute of the world
for sale to the highest bidder. They've sold their souls.
If you do still fly an American flag, consider lowering
it to half-mast in mourning over what used to be a good
country, a strong, traditional-family values nation that
God-fearing Conservatives were nationally proud of. Sure,
America has always had her problems with racism, bigotry,
greed, indoctrination, unwarranted arrogance, xenophobia,
worlds of bad karma--with more than enough to go around
for everybody. Even so, working-class American families
managed to live through it all, many to a ripe old age,
bouncing healthy grandchildren on their knees, children
who were born & raised by their father and their mother.
Sure, some weren't so lucky, but most were. Traditional
family used to mean something in America. Not any more
it doesn't. Now the father is commonly shunned, mocked,
and worse. Immoral single parent households have become
the rule rather than the exception. The politicians are
morally bankrupt. America worships money, and hates God.
America's public schools are the Churches--brainwashing
institutions--of Rabidly Anti-Christian Liberal Atheism!
And what of the Abortion Holocaust? Over one million per
year, Over ONE MILLION unborn human children *murdered*
in cold blood! Do the greedy politicians care? Hell No!
So, at this late date in history, America stands at the
precipice, because she has become so thoroughly corrupt
and viciously Anti-Christian. Her Judgment draweth nigh...
Ex-Republican,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 11:20:16
From: Steven Douglas
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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On Jul 4, 11:14 am, Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebackamer...@2006.com >
wrote:
> In article <1183571850.383109.280...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
> > And here is what John Adams had to say on Independence Day, 1776:
>
> > JOHN ADAMS (on Independence Day): "I am apt to believe that it will be
> > celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary
> > Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by
> > solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized
> > with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires
> > and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from
> > this Time forward forever more." -- Letter from John Adams to Abigail
> > Adams, July 3, 1776
>
> > Source: Adams Family Papers, Massachusetts Historical Society. Edited
> > by L.H. Butterfield, Adams Family Correspondence, Vol. 2. Belknap
> > Press of Harvard University Press, 1963.
>
> You left out the first line, in which Adams makes clear that he was
> referring to July 2, the day the Continental Congress voted for
> independence and the final draft of the Declaration was finished. This
> is not unimportant. (The draft was tweaked a bit during the 3rd and
> into the 4th, adopted by twelve of the thirteen colonies on July 4, and
> was sent to the printer for public distribution. It wasn't released in
> Philadelphia until the 8th.)
>
> To Adams, the 2nd was the far more significant date.
Yes, I know. But more important than the official date assigned to
Independence Day was his feeling for how Independence Day would be
celebrated by future generations.
> John wrote Abigail on July 3, 1776 and said, in full:
>
> > The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the
> > History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by
> > succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to
> > be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion
> > to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with
> > Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one
> > End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.
> > You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well
> > aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to
> > maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet
> > through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory.
> > I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that
> > Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should
> > rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 10:57:30
From: Steven Douglas
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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On Jul 3, 8:15 pm, Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com > wrote:
>
> "The Government of the United States is not in
> any sense founded on the Christian religion."
> -- John Adams, second US president, Treaty of
> Tripoli.
A little context would be helpful here:
[excerpt] In a treaty with the Muslim nation of Tripoli initiated by
Washington, completed by John Adams, and ratified by the Senate in
1797, we declared "the Government of the United States is not, in any
sense, founded on the Christian religion. ... " [end excerpt]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12115700/site/newsweek/page/0/
That was the US Government letting a Muslim nation know that we don't
have a religious government. But here are John Adams' own words, his
own personal feelings on the subject of Christianity:
JOHN ADAMS: "The general Principles, on which the Fathers Achieved
Independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful
Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only
could be intended by them in their Address, or by me in my Answer. And
what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles
of Christianity, in which all those Sects were united ... Now I will
avow, that I then believed, and now believe, that those general
Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the
Existence and Attributes of God." -- Letter from John Adams to Thomas
Jefferson, June 28, 1813
Source: The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence
Between Thomas Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams, edited by Lester
J. Cappon, the University of North Carolina Press, 1988
And here is what John Adams had to say on Independence Day, 1776:
JOHN ADAMS (on Independence Day): "I am apt to believe that it will be
celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary
Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by
solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized
with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires
and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from
this Time forward forever more." -- Letter from John Adams to Abigail
Adams, July 3, 1776
Source: Adams Family Papers, Massachusetts Historical Society. Edited
by L.H. Butterfield, Adams Family Correspondence, Vol. 2. Belknap
Press of Harvard University Press, 1963.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 14:14:14
From: Audie Murphy's Ghost
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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In article <1183571850.383109.280600@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Steven Douglas <dsteven@flashmail.com > wrote:
> And here is what John Adams had to say on Independence Day, 1776:
>
> JOHN ADAMS (on Independence Day): "I am apt to believe that it will be
> celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary
> Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by
> solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized
> with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires
> and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from
> this Time forward forever more." -- Letter from John Adams to Abigail
> Adams, July 3, 1776
>
> Source: Adams Family Papers, Massachusetts Historical Society. Edited
> by L.H. Butterfield, Adams Family Correspondence, Vol. 2. Belknap
> Press of Harvard University Press, 1963.
You left out the first line, in which Adams makes clear that he was
referring to July 2, the day the Continental Congress voted for
independence and the final draft of the Declaration was finished. This
is not unimportant. (The draft was tweaked a bit during the 3rd and
into the 4th, adopted by twelve of the thirteen colonies on July 4, and
was sent to the printer for public distribution. It wasn't released in
Philadelphia until the 8th.)
To Adams, the 2nd was the far more significant date. John wrote
Abigail on July 3, 1776 and said, in full:
> The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the
> History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by
> succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to
> be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion
> to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with
> Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one
> End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.
> You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well
> aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to
> maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet
> through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory.
> I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that
> Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should
> rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 22:15:43
From: Mitchell Holman
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com > wrote in
news:fead9b8acc99f7b7eb7d342edccbb3f8@dizum.com:
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> As Americans nationwide crank up your smokers and grills,
> icing up your favorite brewskies, firing off or watching
> fireworks (in my humble neighborhood they fire off guns),
A crime in most cities.......
> making salads, baking beans, and generally having a good
> time for the whole family, remember what America used to
> be: a quasi- Judeo-Christian nation with some semblance
> of faith in God, national patriotism, pride and dignity.
To celebrate a nation which would not even
exist but for liberals challenging the Conservative
(Tory) status quo.
> There was a time when God's Ten Commandments and Golden
> Rules weren't egregious anathema to the U.S. Government.
Because our founding fathers were wise enough
to keep religion OUT of government and make their
founding documents as secular as possible.
> There was a time when "all men are Created equal" meant
> something to Americans -
Like segreated schools, Jim Crow laws, "separate
but equal", miscegination laws........
- even to the rich, politicians,
> judges and lawyers! Remember, even the founding fathers
> of this country showed a modicum of respect for God and
> His immutable Law.
That's why the founding fathers didn't even
MENTION God in the Constitution they crafted.
Mitchell Holman
"The Government of the United States is not in
any sense founded on the Christian religion."
-- John Adams, second US president, Treaty of
Tripoli.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 19:30:43
From: Jim Dubya
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com > wrote in message
news:fead9b8acc99f7b7eb7d342edccbb3f8@dizum.com...
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>
> As Americans nationwide crank up your smokers and grills,
> icing up your favorite brewskies, firing off or watching
> fireworks (in my humble neighborhood they fire off guns),
> making salads, baking beans, and generally having a good
> time for the whole family, remember what America used to
> be: a quasi- Judeo-Christian nation with some semblance
> of faith in God, national patriotism, pride and dignity.
>
> There was a time when God's Ten Commandments and Golden
> Rules weren't egregious anathema to the U.S. Government.
> There was a time when "all men are Created equal" meant
> something to Americans -- even to the rich, politicians,
> judges and lawyers! Remember, even the founding fathers
> of this country showed a modicum of respect for God and
> His immutable Law. Now, GOD IS DEAD in Washington, D.C.!
> Rather, their gods are gods of gold, and gods of silver.
> They worship Atheists and Atheism. They are Antichrists,
> truly the whore of Babylon, the prostitute of the world
> for sale to the highest bidder. They've sold their souls.
>
> If you do still fly an American flag, consider lowering
> it to half-mast in mourning over what used to be a good
> country, a strong, traditional-family values nation that
> God-fearing Conservatives were nationally proud of. Sure,
> America has always had her problems with racism, bigotry,
> greed, indoctrination, unwarranted arrogance, xenophobia,
> worlds of bad karma--with more than enough to go around
> for everybody. Even so, working-class American families
> managed to live through it all, many to a ripe old age,
> bouncing healthy grandchildren on their knees, children
> who were born & raised by their father and their mother.
> Sure, some weren't so lucky, but most were. Traditional
> family used to mean something in America. Not any more
> it doesn't. Now the father is commonly shunned, mocked,
> and worse. Immoral single parent households have become
> the rule rather than the exception. The politicians are
> morally bankrupt. America worships money, and hates God.
> America's public schools are the Churches--brainwashing
> institutions--of Rabidly Anti-Christian Liberal Atheism!
> And what of the Abortion Holocaust? Over one million per
> year, Over ONE MILLION unborn human children *murdered*
> in cold blood! Do the greedy politicians care? Hell No!
>
> So, at this late date in history, America stands at the
> precipice, because she has become so thoroughly corrupt
> and viciously Anti-Christian. Her Judgment draweth nigh...
>
> Ex-Republican,
> Daniel Joseph Min
> http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
>
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 14:20:32
From: mitch
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:oDDii.4408$695.175@newsfe06.phx...
> What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
The resident MADMAN does that. A human newgroup virus
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 23:11:54
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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Jim Dubya wrote:
> What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
Or more properly, why did you just quote the nonsense in it's entirety,
effectively defeating the kill files of untold numbers of people?
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 22:54:42
From: Jim Dubya
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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My apologies. That was rather lame of me and I will refrain from doing it
again. Thanks for the heads-up. :-)
"Greg Crinklaw" <theskyhoundyoureye@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8afba$468b2c17$4212a552$18390@TULAROSA.NET...
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
>
> Or more properly, why did you just quote the nonsense in it's entirety,
> effectively defeating the kill files of untold numbers of people?
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 22:48:54
From: Jim Dubya
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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My apologies. That was rather lame of me and I will refrain from doing it
again. Thanks for the heads-up. :-)
"Greg Crinklaw" <theskyhoundyoureye@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8afba$468b2c17$4212a552$18390@TULAROSA.NET...
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
>
> Or more properly, why did you just quote the nonsense in it's entirety,
> effectively defeating the kill files of untold numbers of people?
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 05:08:18
From: Sjouke Burry
Subject: Re: "The 4th Of July" - In Memorium
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Jim Dubya wrote:
> What is all of this junk and what is it doing in an astronmy newsgroup?
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:fead9b8acc99f7b7eb7d342edccbb3f8@dizum.com...
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Nim is one of a small group of religious fanatics,
who think that disrupting newsgroups is the way to
save their and maybe your eternal soul.
Which is impossible, because they dont have any
soul to speak of, but they succeed very well in
causing huge damage to religion.
It appears they dont care about the damage done.
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