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Date: 12 May 2007 22:00:43
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Subject: Starlord the Top Poster
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Starlord wrote:
>I use outlook express and by default it set up the posting in that order
No it isn't. The cursor is at the top so that you can navigate down
through the quoted material. trimming as you go, before writing your
reply at the bottom. Microsoft explained this years ago:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.*
Subject: [microsoft.public.windowsnt] Welcome - read this first!
Last-modified: 10/26/99
Copyright: (c) 1995-1999 Microsoft Corporation
Maintainer: essmvp@microsoft.com
When including text from a previous message
in the thread, trim it down to include only text
pertinent to your response. Your response
should appear below the quoted information.
In follow-ups, whether News or Mail, CUT
headers & signatures, PRUNE quotations,
and preserve order. That is to say, quote
above each part of your reply as much of the
earlier stuff as is needed to put the new material
in context, but no more; most readers will be able
to refer to the earlier article itself, if need be.
Never write on the same line as a quotation, except
in lists and notes; generally leave a wholly blank
line between. Do not quote the header or the
signature, unless it is relevant to do so.
>Besides you go and hide yourself behind a stupid e-mail address.
Are you claiming that "Starlord" is the name your parents gave you
when you were born? If not, it is quite silly of you to criticize
others for "hiding."
There is a REASON why everyone here except you bottom posts.
Read and learn:
Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
How do I quote correctly in usenet?
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
+What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
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Date: 15 May 2007 15:23:00
From: Chris.B
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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On May 15, 2:27 am, "Florian" <s...@seeyouinthedark.com > wrote:
> > And for anyone else, I spent a good part of today looking at all the menus
> > for this program and I found ZERO ways for it to post on the bottem
>
> I use Outlook Express (actually this is Mail on Vista) and have always bottom posted. It's not hard. Honest.
>
> .Florian
Isn't the discussion of top posting as off topic here as any
other...er ..off-
topic...er..um...topic....off...............uh...............topic........?
(I only used so may full stops because I know there are those here who
worry endlessly about these little things ...er ..um...too, as well)
Lectures about split infinitives are off topic here too, as well,
probably, aren't they.
If only as much energy was invested. In the positive instead of the
negative..... we'd have no more of this, then.
Venus looked nice above the trees as I drove it home. Bright. Very!
Clouded. Over!
Some time in the far distant future somebody, clever clogs, will
gather the dying shadows of electrons.
Will study this, nonsense and ask themselves?
Why.
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Date: 13 May 2007 23:34:44
From: Ben
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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Hey,
I didn't realize Starlord was our *Top Poster*.
Congratulations Supertrooper and keep those
messages coming.
Ben
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Date: 14 May 2007 06:45:59
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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I think they refer to the fact that this outlook express puts outed messages
on the bottem of the replay message and any reply I would ake goes on top. I
use it the way it came to me so now they'll have to figure out what I'm
replying to as I'll just plain killoff any quoting at all at lest on this
newsgroup.
--
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
AD World
http://www.adworld.netfirms.com/
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Date: 14 May 2007 10:13:06
From: Greg Neill
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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"Starlord" <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > wrote in message
news:c9KdnQw78qtY9tXbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@inreach.com...
> I think they refer to the fact that this outlook express puts outed
messages
> on the bottem of the replay message and any reply I would ake goes on top.
I
> use it the way it came to me so now they'll have to figure out what I'm
> replying to as I'll just plain killoff any quoting at all at lest on this
> newsgroup.
You can't just page down (trimming un-needed content as you
go) and start typing where needed? I'm using Outlook Express
and it's no trouble at all to follow the posting conventions.
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Date: 13 May 2007 21:29:26
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 22:00:43 +0000, invalid@example.net wrote:
That's it then. Top posting should be banned. BANNED I TELL YOU.
>
>
>
>Starlord wrote:
>
>>I use outlook express and by default it set up the posting in that order
>
>No it isn't. The cursor is at the top so that you can navigate down
>through the quoted material. trimming as you go, before writing your
>reply at the bottom. Microsoft explained this years ago:
>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.*
> Subject: [microsoft.public.windowsnt] Welcome - read this first!
> Last-modified: 10/26/99
> Copyright: (c) 1995-1999 Microsoft Corporation
> Maintainer: essmvp@microsoft.com
>
> When including text from a previous message
> in the thread, trim it down to include only text
> pertinent to your response. Your response
> should appear below the quoted information.
>
> In follow-ups, whether News or Mail, CUT
> headers & signatures, PRUNE quotations,
> and preserve order. That is to say, quote
> above each part of your reply as much of the
> earlier stuff as is needed to put the new material
> in context, but no more; most readers will be able
> to refer to the earlier article itself, if need be.
> Never write on the same line as a quotation, except
> in lists and notes; generally leave a wholly blank
> line between. Do not quote the header or the
> signature, unless it is relevant to do so.
>
>>Besides you go and hide yourself behind a stupid e-mail address.
>
>Are you claiming that "Starlord" is the name your parents gave you
>when you were born? If not, it is quite silly of you to criticize
>others for "hiding."
>
>There is a REASON why everyone here except you bottom posts.
>
>Read and learn:
>
>Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
>http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
>How do I quote correctly in usenet?
>http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
>Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
>http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
>Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
>http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
>Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
>http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
>+What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
>http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
>Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
>http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
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Date: 13 May 2007 21:40:58
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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Will I will just send YOU down into the ever lasting Cyber Black Hole.
And for anyone else, I spent a good part of today looking at all the menus
for this program and I found ZERO ways for it to post on the bottem, and
besides, if I ever used my Atari TT030 online again it'd be top posting
too..
And using this outlook I put ZERO other programs on it to change stuff, hell
even my copy of ICM does top posting.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
AD World
http://www.adworld.netfirms.com/
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Date: 14 May 2007 17:27:18
From: Florian
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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> And for anyone else, I spent a good part of today looking at all the =
menus=20
> for this program and I found ZERO ways for it to post on the bottem
I use Outlook Express (actually this is Mail on Vista) and have always =
bottom posted. It's not hard. Honest.
.Florian
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Date: 12 May 2007 20:09:48
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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What is wrong with top posting? It makes sense so that the reader doesn't
have to scroll through all of the older messages in the thread if he has
previously read them.
<invalid@example.net > wrote in message
news:-4KdnZvSfey4pNvb4p2dnA@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> Starlord wrote:
>
>>I use outlook express and by default it set up the posting in that order
>
> No it isn't. The cursor is at the top so that you can navigate down
> through the quoted material. trimming as you go, before writing your
> reply at the bottom. Microsoft explained this years ago:
>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.*
> Subject: [microsoft.public.windowsnt] Welcome - read this first!
> Last-modified: 10/26/99
> Copyright: (c) 1995-1999 Microsoft Corporation
> Maintainer: essmvp@microsoft.com
>
> When including text from a previous message
> in the thread, trim it down to include only text
> pertinent to your response. Your response
> should appear below the quoted information.
>
> In follow-ups, whether News or Mail, CUT
> headers & signatures, PRUNE quotations,
> and preserve order. That is to say, quote
> above each part of your reply as much of the
> earlier stuff as is needed to put the new material
> in context, but no more; most readers will be able
> to refer to the earlier article itself, if need be.
> Never write on the same line as a quotation, except
> in lists and notes; generally leave a wholly blank
> line between. Do not quote the header or the
> signature, unless it is relevant to do so.
>
>>Besides you go and hide yourself behind a stupid e-mail address.
>
> Are you claiming that "Starlord" is the name your parents gave you
> when you were born? If not, it is quite silly of you to criticize
> others for "hiding."
>
> There is a REASON why everyone here except you bottom posts.
>
> Read and learn:
>
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
>
>
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Date: 13 May 2007 23:09:18
From: OG
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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"Mij Adyaw" <mij@SpamBucket.com > wrote in message
news:1kv1i.276187$p17.249874@newsfe11.phx...
> What is wrong with top posting? It makes sense so that the reader doesn't
> have to scroll through all of the older messages in the thread if he has
> previously read them.
>
And the rest of the time it's a pestilence. By top posting you remove the
context for your contribution and you remove the the dialog nature of a
thread.
Did you read the suggested links ?
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Date: 13 May 2007 13:30:44
From:
Subject: Re: Starlord the Top Poster
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
>What is wrong with top posting? It makes sense so that the
>reader doesn't have to scroll through all of the older
>messages in the thread if he has previously read them.
Evidence, please. I believe that if you were to examine every
bottom-post in sci.astro.amateur from the last month, you would
not find a single one that has "all of the older messages in
the thread." In fact, the vast majority are properly trimmed
so that the reply starts well up on on the first page, and many
fit the enire post on one page.
You are confusing two different things; whether to top post or
bottom post, and whether to trim the quouted material or not to
trim the quouted material. Top-posters, being as they are rude
and selfish (they make 20 readers to extra work to save one
writer -- themselves -- a small amount of effort), tend to also
not trim, but the two are not inherently linked.
Did you bother to read even one of the URLs explaing this?
Do you have any counterarguments to the claims made there?
> Read and learn:
>
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html
>
> How do I quote correctly in usenet?
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
>
> Common Mistakes in Usenet Postings and How to Avoid Them
> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/mail-news-errors.html#quoting
>
> Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
>
> Why bottom-posting is better than top-posting
> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>
> +What do you mean "my reply is upside-down"?
> http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html
>
> Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes with this automated fix!
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
READ and LEARN. Or show yourself to be unwilling to learn.
The above URLs refute your arguments. Read them, Educate
yourself on the topic you are posting about.
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