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Date: 18 May 2007 19:58:06
From: SJG
Subject: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18, 2007
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News
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International Sidewalk Astronomy Night
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May 14, 2007
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Date: 19 May 2007 08:47:21
From: Rich
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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http://media.skytonight.com/video/jupiter2006dp.wmv?c=y&host=media.skytonight.com
Truly awesome.
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Date: 20 May 2007 00:59:33
From: Ernie Wright
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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Rich wrote:
> http://media.skytonight.com/video/jupiter2006dp.wmv?c=y&host=media.skytonight.com
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> Truly awesome.
Indeed it is, but the S&T web page,
http://skytonight.com/news/Jupiter_at_its_Best.html
doesn't do a good job of explaining why, or the fact that the animation
is synthetic, and because of that, when I first saw it this morning, I
immediately considered the possibility that it was a hoax (it's not).
This is 3D computer graphics, *not* a time-lapse of images taken at the
telescope. Images taken at the telescope over two nights were assembled
and reprojected to form a global rectangular map of Jupiter. Using 3D
animation software, this map was then wrapped around a rotating sphere
and rendered.
What's remarkable is the amazing detail in the source images, and due
credit to astrophotographer/artist Damian Peach for that. Not mentioned
is the software used to assemble them into an image map and animate
them, which I gather from hints on his website was WinJUPOS, written by
Grischa Hahn.
In fairness to S&T, Damian doesn't really explain this process on his
website either,
http://www.damianpeach.com/jup_misc.htm
for whatever reason, so he may not have explained it to S&T.
- Ernie http://home.comcast.net/~erniew
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Date: 19 May 2007 08:45:50
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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why does spammertard dennis bishop <starlord@sidewalkastronomy.info > ignore your
use by permission warnings
and not give any credit to skytonight when he copies your material from your
skytonight dot com web site and spams it under the subject
astro news
fawking google it and you will fawking see
why does the 30% cripple dennis bishop the fifty eight year old spammertard of rosatard
spam his fawking gobshite rubbish and fawking stalk and spam and stalk
and plagiarise
like a fawking mentally retarded fawking piece of fawking shite
because dennis bishop is a barmy fawking plagiarising arsehole and 70 iq drunken bum
with a little fawking red wagon that goes squeak squeak squeak squeak
In article <1179543486.363293.125720@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
SJG <stuartgoldman@gmail.com > wrote:
>===============================================
>SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18, 2007
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>News
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>International Sidewalk Astronomy Night
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>May 14, 2007
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Date: 19 May 2007 04:24:14
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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On May 19, 11:38 am, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr >
wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> >http://skytonight.com/observing/home/SAAG_070518.html
>
> > Looking at all those descriptions which range from geocentric to
> > astrological,it is hard to imagine that Western astronomy was once
> > vibrant with all sorts of possibilities and productive avenues
> > afforded by intelligent and intutive men.
>
> > The abbreviated 'astro' in these groups conceals the true purpose and
> > intent of what it actually is ; astro-logical.
>
> > It is good that you all no longer are apologetic about your celestial
> > sphere discipline but it certainly is not astronomy.
>
> How lucky for us to have you set us straight!
>
> Anthony.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 3:58 am, SJG <stuartgold...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>===============================================
> >>SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18, 2007
> >>===============================================
>
> >>News
> >>========================================
> >>International Sidewalk Astronomy Night
> >>----------------------------------------
> >>May 14, 2007
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Date: 19 May 2007 02:47:48
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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http://skytonight.com/observing/home/SAAG_070518.html
Looking at all those descriptions which range from geocentric to
astrological,it is hard to imagine that Western astronomy was once
vibrant with all sorts of possibilities and productive avenues
afforded by intelligent and intutive men.
The abbreviated 'astro' in these groups conceals the true purpose and
intent of what it actually is ; astro-logical.
It is good that you all no longer are apologetic about your celestial
sphere discipline but it certainly is not astronomy.
On May 19, 3:58 am, SJG <stuartgold...@gmail.com > wrote:
> ===============================================
> SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18, 2007
> ===============================================
>
> News
> ========================================
> International Sidewalk Astronomy Night
> ----------------------------------------
> May 14, 2007
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Date: 19 May 2007 13:38:23
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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oriel36 wrote:
> http://skytonight.com/observing/home/SAAG_070518.html
>
> Looking at all those descriptions which range from geocentric to
> astrological,it is hard to imagine that Western astronomy was once
> vibrant with all sorts of possibilities and productive avenues
> afforded by intelligent and intutive men.
>
> The abbreviated 'astro' in these groups conceals the true purpose and
> intent of what it actually is ; astro-logical.
>
> It is good that you all no longer are apologetic about your celestial
> sphere discipline but it certainly is not astronomy.
How lucky for us to have you set us straight!
Anthony.
>
>
>
> On May 19, 3:58 am, SJG <stuartgold...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>===============================================
>>SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18, 2007
>>===============================================
>>
>>News
>>========================================
>>International Sidewalk Astronomy Night
>>----------------------------------------
>>May 14, 2007
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Date: 19 May 2007 11:36:01
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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On May 19, 2:00 pm, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
> Gerald wrote
>
> >Looking at all those descriptions which
> > range from geocentric to astrological,it
> > is hard to imagine that Western
> > astronomy was once vibrant with all
> > sorts of possibilities and productive
> > avenues afforded by intelligent and
> > intutive men.
>
> Just imagine... we could ALL be totally fixated on absolutely nothing
> aside from the Earth's motions around the Sun, to the exclusion of the
> entire universe...
> Marty
>
> (Sorry. back into "ignore Gerald" mode.)
One of the first people to recognise the revival of astronomy by
Copernicus was Rheticus who wrote -
"With regard to the apparent motions of the Sun and Moon, it is
perhaps possible to deny what is said about the motion of the Earth,
although I do not see how the explanation of precession is to be
transferred to the sphere of the stars. But if anyone desires to look
either to the order and harmony of the system of the spheres, or to
ease and elegance and a complete explanation of the causes of the
phenomena, by no other hypotheses will he demonstrate more neatly and
correctly the apparent motions of the remaining planets. For all these
phenomena appear to be linked most nobly together, as by a golden
chain; and each of the planets, by its position and order and very
inequality of its motion, bears witness that the Earth moves. . . .
I sincerely cherish Ptolemy and his followers equally with my
teacher, since I have ever in mind and memory that sacred precept of
Aristotle: "We must esteem both parties but follow the more accurate."
And yet somehow I feel more inclined to the hypotheses of my teacher.
This is so perhaps partly because I am persuaded that now at last I
have a more accurate understanding of the delightful maxim which on
account of its weightiness and truth is attributed to Plato: "God ever
geometrizes"; but partly because in my teacher's revival of astronomy
I see, as the saying is, with both eyes and as though a fog had lifted
and the sky were now clear, the force of that wise statement of
Socrates in the Phaedrus: "If I think any other man is able to see
things that can naturally be collected into one and divided into many,
him I follow after and 'walk in his footsteps as if he were a god.'"
1540, Narratio Prima - Rheticus
These people did not have the contemporary benefit of time lapse
footage which makes the Copernican reasoning based on the Earth's
motions so easy to understand -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
>From those few images strung together to display the Earth overtaking
the slower moving planets there is an incredible amount of data
ranging from the solar system arrangement to the way they discern
axial rotation is the cause of the daily cycle and from there to
clocks/rterrestrial longitudes.It is a golden chain just as Rheticus
describes yet there are no astronomers here to appreciate it,there are
only astrologers who match planetary positions, the position of the
moon or galactic positions to the nearest astrological constellation.
You seem like a nice man Marty who means no harm and indeed that is
the case for most here, unfortunately the precepts you adhere to
destroy that intutive side of astronomy that does not need telescopes
or rely on magnification to operate.There are good kids,really good
kids who have that intutive sense for understanding the astronomical
cycles and the original way it was done using orbital comparisons and
they must suffer a great deal from sensing that they are good at
something but in the hostile atmosphere of magnification astrologers
they never break through to that comfortable astronomical ground which
is alive with possibilities.
Copernicus had this to say about men who bring in false astronomical
precepts and unfortunately this occured with Flamsteed in 1676 -
"although they have extracted from them the apparent motions, with
numerical agreement, nevertheless . . . . They are just like someone
including in a picture hands, feet, head, and other limbs from
different places, well painted indeed, but not modeled from the same
body, and not in the least matching each other, so that a monster
would be produced from them rather than a man. Thus in the process of
their demonstrations, which they call their system, they are found
either to have missed out something essential, or to have brought in
something inappropriate and wholly irrelevant, which would not have
happened to them if they had followed proper principles. For if the
hypotheses which they assumed had not been fallacies, everything which
follows from them could be independently verified." De revolutionibus,
1543
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Date: 19 May 2007 08:00:40
From: Marty
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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Gerald wrote
>Looking at all those descriptions which
> range from geocentric to astrological,it
> is hard to imagine that Western
> astronomy was once vibrant with all
> sorts of possibilities and productive
> avenues afforded by intelligent and
> intutive men.
Just imagine... we could ALL be totally fixated on absolutely nothing
aside from the Earth's motions around the Sun, to the exclusion of the
entire universe...
Marty
(Sorry. back into "ignore Gerald" mode.)
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Date: 19 May 2007 10:37:39
From: Alan French
Subject: Re: SkyTonight.com's Weekly Bulletin - May 18
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"Marty" <movac5@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:15866-464EF4F8-443@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net...
> Gerald wrote
> >Looking at all those descriptions which
> > range from geocentric to astrological,it
> > is hard to imagine that Western
> > astronomy was once vibrant with all
> > sorts of possibilities and productive
> > avenues afforded by intelligent and
> > intutive men.
>
> Just imagine... we could ALL be totally fixated on absolutely nothing
> aside from the Earth's motions around the Sun, to the exclusion of the
> entire universe...
> Marty
Marty,
For a good laugh, picture Oriel36 on a first date.
Clear skies, Alan
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