New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

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Date: 22 Jun 2007 16:06:37
From: Prolegamina
Subject: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

The new book "Keeping Starwatch" by New Cedar Amateur
Astronomers Association member, Norma Cutsforth, is drawing
rave reviews in Iowa and eleswhere for its astronomical content
and important social commentary. The book is being featured
by CAA and its President Doug Slauson as an important literary
contribution to astronomy.

The book has been reviewed by the DesMoines Register and
is finding great favour among Intelligent Design missionaries, the
latest great wave circulating in science and astronomy.

To quote reviewer CV@IowaCity, "We now have proof that the
universe could have been created in six days because while time
was slowing down in our neighborhood of the universe time had
come to a complete hault at the center of the universe. We have Norma to
thank for clearing this up for us."

(You can read the full DesMoines Register review through Google).

As I see the work, Norma Cutsforth's "Keeping Starwatch" is a
social commentary and record. Norma explains that she found
Cedar Aamateur Astronomers and 'astronomy' during a very
chaotic period of her life, in the aftermath of the Regan Revolution
when times were hard in Iowa, and through 'keeping starwatch'
she found a focus and a hobby which allowed her to face the
challenges of daily life. Through this a personal salvation was found
and a personal revelation was formed which persists to this day.

Norma began writing essays based on small observing projects
and the accumulation of these she later collected into a book.

The strength in her book, I find, is social vs scientific. In fact,
some of her astronomical information is plain wrong. It is the
continuing ebb and flow of her social commentary which I and
others find attractive, and a historical record of the times and
conditions in Iowa and the nation which motivated Norma to look
for an outlet for the expression of her personal needs. This sense
in the book speaks to people widely and is germane as an historical
record of times still with us today in America.

Norma's book is a work of 'personal angst' overlayed upon fabric of the
natural world. It is not a work on 'how to do science'. Far from it! It
is a work which would appeal to white middle class
people in America searching for identity and reason and a means
of survival in a world undergoing change. The book confirms strong
traditional Iowa values. The final chapter will be written on the
tablet of time itself.

Polem Haik

Date: 23 Jun 2007 19:52:30
From: Prolegamina
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

RMOLLISE wrote:

> On Jun 23, 12:51 am, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > RMOLLISE wrote:
> > > On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > > > Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
> > > > > and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
> >
> > > > > _________________________________________________
> >
> > > > > Chris L Peterson
> > > > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > > >http://www.cloudbait.com
> >
> > > > While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!
> >
> > > > (a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
> > > > in some cases.
> > > > (b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
> > > > Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
> > > > calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
> > > > State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!
> >
> > > > You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
> > > > middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
> > > > by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
> > > > members if their do not cooperate.
> >
> > > > Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
> > > > then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
> > > > literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
> > > > All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
> > > > supports the IDers!
> >
> > > > So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
> > > > has become living reality.
> >
> > > > With respect -
> >
> > > Which clubs are these where this is happening? I mean, names and
> > > locations.
> >
> > > Unk Rod
> >
> > You are correct. It does not exist. Go back to sleep.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text
>
> Further, here's a synopsis of the book:
>
> "The wonder and science of astronomy meld with the life and thoughts
> of a working mother in this contemplative and delightful collection of
> essays. Begin with any themed chapter and journey through the year
> with Starwatch tales. These essays will add joy and depth to your
> perspectives on time, travel, relationships, work, parenting,
> volunteering, and the natural world. See the skies over Florida, South
> Dakota, California, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa as you read the
> stories, past and present, of peoples of these lands. Twelve You Look
> Up sections show you how to directly experience the night sky. Just
> bring a simple sky map outside, such as the ones found in Astronomy
> and Sky and Telescope magazines."
>
> Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with promoting Intelligent
> Design or Creationism. Sounds to me more like SOMEBODY's got a grudge
> against this author and her club that doesn't have much to do with
> philosophical differences.
>
> Unk Rod

Get a copy from your library, read it, and then see how the commercial endorsement
plays out. It may be the best thing ever
happened to you. And see you at the New Faith Community Bible
Church every day next week! Sell all you have and join the crusade.

Shalom.

. ., .

Date: 23 Jun 2007 06:48:24
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

On Jun 23, 12:51 am, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> RMOLLISE wrote:
> > On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > > Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
> > > > and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
>
> > > > _________________________________________________
>
> > > > Chris L Peterson
> > > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > >http://www.cloudbait.com
>
> > > While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!
>
> > > (a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
> > > in some cases.
> > > (b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
> > > Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
> > > calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
> > > State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!
>
> > > You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
> > > middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
> > > by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
> > > members if their do not cooperate.
>
> > > Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
> > > then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
> > > literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
> > > All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
> > > supports the IDers!
>
> > > So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
> > > has become living reality.
>
> > > With respect -
>
> > Which clubs are these where this is happening? I mean, names and
> > locations.
>
> > Unk Rod
>
> You are correct. It does not exist. Go back to sleep.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text

Further, here's a synopsis of the book:

"The wonder and science of astronomy meld with the life and thoughts
of a working mother in this contemplative and delightful collection of
essays. Begin with any themed chapter and journey through the year
with Starwatch tales. These essays will add joy and depth to your
perspectives on time, travel, relationships, work, parenting,
volunteering, and the natural world. See the skies over Florida, South
Dakota, California, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa as you read the
stories, past and present, of peoples of these lands. Twelve You Look
Up sections show you how to directly experience the night sky. Just
bring a simple sky map outside, such as the ones found in Astronomy
and Sky and Telescope magazines."

Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with promoting Intelligent
Design or Creationism. Sounds to me more like SOMEBODY's got a grudge
against this author and her club that doesn't have much to do with
philosophical differences.

Unk Rod

Date: 23 Jun 2007 09:27:13
From: Marty
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

Rod was saying
>Further, here's a synopsis of the book:

Y'know, I've been looking at the night sky for a LONG time, but I think
I might enjoy that book. Sounds like it might be a nice, casual,
skygazing thing. This guy's hatchet job might have just backfired...
Marty

Date: 23 Jun 2007 19:46:40
From: Prolegamina
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

Marty wrote:

> Rod was saying
> >Further, here's a synopsis of the book:
>
> Y'know, I've been looking at the night sky for a LONG time, but I think
> I might enjoy that book. Sounds like it might be a nice, casual,
> skygazing thing. This guy's hatchet job might have just backfired...
> Marty

Hardly. No hatchet job was intended. I call em as they fall in my lap. I
have no agenda. I wish I did not have to deal with other people's agendae,
like yours meathead! Buy the book. Prices range
from $29.95 -$55.00 depending on which vendor you buy from.
In your case pick the most expensive. (How the same book can
range in price so widely is beyond me.) But buy it and read it ...
a percentage will go the author's church so you are funding it also.

Post your own review. That will be important for you to do.
Write your own book. The same self publisher is open to you
and they do encourage and need "your" business.

Good luck.

Date: 23 Jun 2007 04:53:00
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

Date: 23 Jun 2007 00:51:41
From: Prolegamina
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

RMOLLISE wrote:

> On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
> > > and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
> >
> > > _________________________________________________
> >
> > > Chris L Peterson
> > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > >http://www.cloudbait.com
> >
> > While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!
> >
> > (a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
> > in some cases.
> > (b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
> > Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
> > calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
> > State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!
> >
> > You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
> > middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
> > by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
> > members if their do not cooperate.
> >
> > Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
> > then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
> > literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
> > All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
> > supports the IDers!
> >
> > So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
> > has become living reality.
> >
> > With respect -
>
> Which clubs are these where this is happening? I mean, names and
> locations.
>
> Unk Rod

You are correct. It does not exist. Go back to sleep.

Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:53:04
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
> > and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
>
> > _________________________________________________
>
> > Chris L Peterson
> > Cloudbait Observatory
> >http://www.cloudbait.com
>
> While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!
>
> (a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
> in some cases.
> (b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
> Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
> calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
> State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!
>
> You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
> middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
> by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
> members if their do not cooperate.
>
> Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
> then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
> literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
> All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
> supports the IDers!
>
> So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
> has become living reality.
>
> With respect -

Which clubs are these where this is happening? I mean, names and
locations.

Unk Rod

Date: 22 Jun 2007 21:20:24
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

Date: 22 Jun 2007 18:06:20
From: Prolegamina
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

Chris L Peterson wrote:

> Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
> and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com

While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!

(a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
in some cases.
(b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!

You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
members if their do not cooperate.

Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
supports the IDers!

So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
has become living reality.

With respect -

Date: 23 Jun 2007 04:41:08
From: Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
Subject: Re: New Book by CAAA member - "Keeeping Starwatch"

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Prolegamina <Tractatus@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> Please find another newsgroup for this tripe. This is for astronomers,
>> and no real astronomer believes in ID, a flat Earth, unicorns, etc.
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
>
>While I understand your concern, you evidently miss the realities!
>
>(a) ID advocates are taking over astronomy clubs. Literally hijacking them
>in some cases.
>(b) Astronomy clubs are "educating" IDers and churches now.
>Some clubs see it as their mission. Some clubs "MUST" answer
>calls from all sources as per their "educational, financial, and
>State mandated charters", as well as club constitutions!
>
>You may not like it but many club members are now caught in the
>middle, literally. Forced out in some cases with their club hijacked
>by club drunks and the bottomfeeders. Some clubs are sanctioning
>members if their do not cooperate.
>
>Clubs have the "right of association". If a club is hijacked by IDers
>then the IDers chose who to associate with or not? And there is
>literally nothing of a legal nature club members can do except leave.
>All the complaining in the world does nothing and the media usually
>supports the IDers!
>
>So this may be tripe to us. For many amateur astronomers this
>has become living reality.
>
>With respect -

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I know this is going to sound like a dumb question, but what if
the individual person, the immortal human being, the Son of God
Jesus Christ could see Himself in you--in all men Created equal?

I know that's a stupid question to be asking a fellow Christian,
particularly a man who sounds genuinely interested in Astronomy.

Independent IDer,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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