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Date: 28 Aug 2007 08:35:30
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: NGC/IC Project
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Folks,
Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
it is no longer available for any reason.
Thanks.
Anthony.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 13:32:11
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 29, 2:07 pm, rpas...@eas.slu.edu wrote:
> On Aug 28, 2:30 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe everybody has that opinion for I refuse to believe
> > that intelligent people do not exist to appreciate the principles
> > which create the 24 hour day from the natural noon cycles and
> > eventually how it meshes with terrestrial longitudes,clocks and the 24
> > hour/360 degree correlation.
>
> I consider you a complete idiot in the same vein as DJM. Even the
> references you provide demonstrate you are wrong
>
The images show a noon cycle to be 24 hours exactly in order to
justify the value of 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png
I am only forwarding the known principles of timekeeping astronomers
such as Huygens and Harrison who were developing clocks based on solid
astronomical principles that recognise that no two noon cycles are the
same -
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
> I say we take a poll and find out how SAA's think you are a complete
> idiot. Not that you could read and understand the results.
Take your polls,ultimately there is nothing to support your belief
that the Earth's axial and orbital motions can be justified by the
return of a star to a location.It does highlight that you have no
understanding of Copernican reasoning nor the basics of astronomical
timekeeping.
You will ,of course,use the system where one 24 hour day elapses into
the next 24 hour day,Tuesday into Wednesday if you like without the
slightest appreciation of where the syustem comes from and how it was
devised by brilliant men.It is with regret that children never learn
it as they are forced into believing an unnatural scheme -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
No point in questioning the responsibility of parenthood here for all
were brought up with the astrological error created by Flamsteed but
it is now out in the open for people to deal with.Don't waste your
time on polls,make the effort to understand Huygens as it repays the
effort a thousanfold.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 10:14:23
From: Havriliak@aol.com
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 11:35?am, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anthony.
I just logged on to the NGC\ICproject. Checked some of the images and
everything worked fine.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 06:07:38
From:
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 2:30 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I do not believe everybody has that opinion for I refuse to believe
> that intelligent people do not exist to appreciate the principles
> which create the 24 hour day from the natural noon cycles and
> eventually how it meshes with terrestrial longitudes,clocks and the 24
> hour/360 degree correlation.
I consider you a complete idiot in the same vein as DJM. Even the
references you provide demonstrate you are wrong
I say we take a poll and find out how SAA's think you are a complete
idiot. Not that you could read and understand the results.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 01:21:41
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 6:35 pm, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anthony.
It is back up everyone.
Anthony.
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 01:04:54
From: Margo Schulter
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomamitis@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
> It is back up everyone.
>
> Anthony.
>
Hi, Anthony, and thank you for letting us know both about the
brief interruption and the restoration of this great site.
One resource I especially enjoy there is the collection of
PDF files for articles by the contributors to the NGC/IC,
including lots by the Herschels, and some fascinating
papers on nebulae from the early and middle 18th century.
As an astronomical and a literary experience, this site is
lots of fun, and an invaluable resource.
Most appreciatively,
Margo Schulter
mschulter@calweb.com
Lat. 38.566 Long. -121.430
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 12:58:40
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 7:00 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:35:30 -0700, Anthony Ayiomamitis
>
> <ayiomami...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> >their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> >there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> >it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> The domain name registration looks solid, so hopefully they are just
> changing their hosting provider. When did you notice the site was down?
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
>From you cave out there in Colorado -
"Other than the cultural details we can infer from them, we can say
only that these ancient people possessed good surveying skills, and
were able to align the Pyramids with reasonable accuracy along the
cardinal directions"
One of the things which set Isaac apart from his contemporaries was
his healthy regard for the ancients and especially Eygptian metrology
-
"Through medieval times there had been preserved the memory of the
Roman calculation of the meridian of degree as 75 Roman miles. Newton
did not trust the accuracy of this figure and before publishing the
Principia waited for the calculation of Picard, which actually proved
less accurate because the toise used by Picard was slightly shorter
than the toise used by other French scholars and by Picard himself in
a second period."
http://www.metrum.org/measures/measurements.htm
Your problem is that you swallow the nonsense of attributing
everything to the Greeks, as empiricists are want to do ,and cannot
recognise geometrical masterpieces when you see it,either the really
old monumental clocks such as Newgrange or the newer geometrical
language in the great Pyramid,especially that incredible choice of 51
degress 50 minutes for the angle of inclination.
Like everything else it is a matter of allowing the relevent details
to emerge by themselves hence the wonderful compromise value in
representing all shapes from line through circle via the 'Divine
Proportion' as 51.84 degrees or 51 degrees 50 minutes.The umbrella
value is breathtaking,don't you think ? ,oh I forgot,you think the
only geometric significance is geographical orientation to the polar
axis.
You have better stick with lens grinding and lens caps then try to
comment on anything historical, architectural, astronomical, ect.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 12:30:39
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 8:04 pm, "Steve Paul" <smarshallp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> "oriel36" <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > The analemmas are for those who know no better and I have explained to
> > you why they represent late 17th century fiction,specifically the
> > introduction of a hemispherical component into the global noon
> > correction known as the Equation of Time.
>
> > The total length of the natural noon cycle has nothing whatsoever to
> > do with the seasons as the length of the cycle is the same
> > globally,all astronomers should know this basic fact as Huygens
> > accurately comments -
>
> You do realize that just about (if not) everyone here considers you nothing
> more than a blathering, albeit either a mildly entertaining or heavily
> annoying, idiot?
>
I do not believe everybody has that opinion for I refuse to believe
that intelligent people do not exist to appreciate the principles
which create the 24 hour day from the natural noon cycles and
eventually how it meshes with terrestrial longitudes,clocks and the 24
hour/360 degree correlation.
Until I found that treatise by Huygens,I had to rely on the popular
history of the Longitude story to promote that enormous advance where
clocks measure distance by way of the Equation of Time correction
insofar as clocks are kept in sync with the axial cycle at precisely
24 hours/360 degrees.
Ultimately the correct principles are the only way to affirm
heliocentric astronomy while the astrological sidereal framework which
ties axial rotation directly to constellational geometry does not.
> I'm guessing either they don't understand what you are saying and don't
> care, understand what you're saying better than you think and find it
> amusing, or they start to drool and think of donuts after the second
> sentence of the first paragraph (the latter includes me, proudly).
>
It onl;y means that you cannot understand people like Huygens and
Harrison who understood the concept of the 24 hour cycle and why the
total length of the natural; noon cycle is not 24 hours as you lot
believe -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png
> This is a newsgroup for amateur observers and ATMs (if there be any left).
> It is intended for discussions about amateur equipment, amateur
> observations, and for the disemination of information regarding timely
> observing opportunities.
>
Good for you in withdrawing the term 'astronomer', let me help you
along and replace 'observer ' with 'astrologer' insofar as the Ra/Dec
system you use to justify the motions of the Earth exists on the same
level of astrology.
> But, like you do daily, I'm sure I've just wasted my time. (It was mine to
> waste.)
>
> Rock on,
> Steve (that's Mister to you) Paul
>
The creationists have basic problems with the 24 hour day and natural
phenomena and so have you,the fact that you manage to have a location
face the Sun to noon in 24 hours exactly in order to justify the
orbital motion of the Earth in terms of 3 minutes 56 seconds and from
there to believe axial rotation in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds
should have everyone tripping over themselves to obliterate that
horrible 17th century error.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png
You do not want to look at that vomit but you sure believe in it -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 16:49:10
From: Stephen Paul
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1188329439.159345.165790@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 8:04 pm, "Steve Paul" <smarshallp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You do realize that just about (if not) everyone here considers you
>> nothing
>> more than a blathering, albeit either a mildly entertaining or heavily
>> annoying, idiot?
>
>> I'm guessing either they don't understand what you are saying and don't
>> care, understand what you're saying better than you think and find it
>> amusing, or they start to drool and think of donuts after the second
>> sentence of the first paragraph (the latter includes me, proudly).
>>
>
> It onl;y means that you cannot understand people like Huygens and
> Harrison who understood the concept of the 24 hour cycle and why the
> total length of the natural; noon cycle is not 24 hours as you lot
> believe -
"Mmmmmm", <insert drooling pause >, "donuts".
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 11:10:14
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 9:00 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:35:30 -0700, Anthony Ayiomamitis
>
> <ayiomami...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> >their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> >there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> >it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> The domain name registration looks solid, so hopefully they are just
> changing their hosting provider. When did you notice the site was down?
Today. I hope you are right about a hosting provider change but you
would think they would do something a week earlier so that everything
would be transparent.
Anyway, hopefully it will be back up shortly.
Anthony.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 12:00:58
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:35:30 -0700, Anthony Ayiomamitis
<ayiomamitis@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
>their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
>there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
>it is no longer available for any reason.
The domain name registration looks solid, so hopefully they are just
changing their hosting provider. When did you notice the site was down?
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 09:50:28
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On 28 Aug, 17:11, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 28, 6:56 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28 Aug, 16:35, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Folks,
>
> > > Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> > > their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> > > there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> > > it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > Anthony.
>
> > How's the Equatorial analemma coming along Anthony ?,did you discover
> > that the Earth does not have a variable axial tilt or do you really
> > wish to continue making an idiot of yourself with that late 17th
> > century hoax -
>
> >http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma-130000.htm
>
> <verbage clipped>
>
>
>
> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> Oriel,
>
> Which of my analemmas do you like the most? The ten analemmas
> completed to-date are available here:http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma.htm
> .... I am stuck between the first analemma with the foregrounds of
> Ancient Delpi and the one with the foregrounds of Ancient Nemea and
> tilted in the opposite direction.
>
> Anthony.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The analemmas are for those who know no better and I have explained to
you why they represent late 17th century fiction,specifically the
introduction of a hemispherical component into the global noon
correction known as the Equation of Time.
The total length of the natural noon cycle has nothing whatsoever to
do with the seasons as the length of the cycle is the same
globally,all astronomers should know this basic fact as Huygens
accurately comments -
"Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12. Signes,
or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5 hours 49
min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon to noon,
are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd in
Astronomy"
Huygens goes on to explain how to observe natural noon or how to use
the Sun's position on both horizon's to achieve the same result of
determining the natural noon event whereby you then apply the Equation
of Time -
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
A complete numbskull would use a 24 hour clock to determine to the
Sun's position against the Equator and subsequently a 'figure 8'
analemma and believe it has some significance.Of course you cannot
grasp the fact that clocks are kept in sync with the axial cycle via
the Equation of Time correction for the purpose of keeping the
correlation where 4 minutes of clock time equals 1 degree of
geographical seperation making precisely 24 hours/360 degrees.
Because people like Flamsteed introduced the inappropriate
hemispherical pseudo-dynamic of variable axial tilt and the
fictional analemma as a component into the Equation of Time in order
to tie axial rotation directly to the return of a star in 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds,you now have a dire situation where men cannot
appreciate the neccessary modification required for explaining global
climate and hemispherical weather patterns (seasons) even when they
can look down at the Earth from space .
The knock-on effects of that awful attempt to justify the motions of
the Earth using the return of a star go far beyond astronomy,the price
you pay for your fictional analemma is that men still use the pseudo-
dynamic of variable axial tilt to explain the seasons -
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980116c.html
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 15:04:01
From: Steve Paul
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com > wrote in message
>
> The analemmas are for those who know no better and I have explained to
> you why they represent late 17th century fiction,specifically the
> introduction of a hemispherical component into the global noon
> correction known as the Equation of Time.
>
> The total length of the natural noon cycle has nothing whatsoever to
> do with the seasons as the length of the cycle is the same
> globally,all astronomers should know this basic fact as Huygens
> accurately comments -
You do realize that just about (if not) everyone here considers you nothing
more than a blathering, albeit either a mildly entertaining or heavily
annoying, idiot?
I'm guessing either they don't understand what you are saying and don't
care, understand what you're saying better than you think and find it
amusing, or they start to drool and think of donuts after the second
sentence of the first paragraph (the latter includes me, proudly).
This is a newsgroup for amateur observers and ATMs (if there be any left).
It is intended for discussions about amateur equipment, amateur
observations, and for the disemination of information regarding timely
observing opportunities.
But, like you do daily, I'm sure I've just wasted my time. (It was mine to
waste.)
Rock on,
Steve (that's Mister to you) Paul
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 09:11:06
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On Aug 28, 6:56 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 28 Aug, 16:35, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks,
>
> > Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> > their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> > there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> > it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Anthony.
>
> How's the Equatorial analemma coming along Anthony ?,did you discover
> that the Earth does not have a variable axial tilt or do you really
> wish to continue making an idiot of yourself with that late 17th
> century hoax -
>
> http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma-130000.htm
<verbage clipped >
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
Oriel,
Which of my analemmas do you like the most? The ten analemmas
completed to-date are available here: http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma.htm
.... I am stuck between the first analemma with the foregrounds of
Ancient Delpi and the one with the foregrounds of Ancient Nemea and
tilted in the opposite direction.
Anthony.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 08:56:24
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: NGC/IC Project
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On 28 Aug, 16:35, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Does anyone know what happended to the NGC/IC project website? I visit
> their page on a regular basis and I see today that it is no longer
> there. It was a very good website and I would be very sorry to learn
> it is no longer available for any reason.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anthony.
How's the Equatorial analemma coming along Anthony ?,did you discover
that the Earth does not have a variable axial tilt or do you really
wish to continue making an idiot of yourself with that late 17th
century hoax -
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma-130000.htm
What you need is a bit of anti-cult education,specifically the
astrological cult which believes the Earth rotates through 360 degrees
in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds.Maybe you cannot read but if you
cannot learn how astronomers like Huygen's achieved the observation of
natural noon,either directly or by using the Sun's position at either
horizon then I suggest you take up birdwatching or some other hobby
where your equipment will not go to waste.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
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