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Date: 21 Aug 2007 00:39:51
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
on the creation of
SCI.ASTRO.AMATEUR
RATIONALE
A USENET newsgroup solely dedicated to the discussion of topics of
interest to amateur (or "backyard") astronomers does not currently
exist. Such discussions are currently carried out on sci.astro. The
volume of traffic on sci.astro, however, has recently grown to the point
where many people believe that a new group dedicated to the discussion
of amateur astronomy would be beneficial. Additionally, many readers of
sci.astro have expressed frustration at having to wade through the more
technical posts on the sciences of astronomy and cosmology to get to the
ones dealing with amateur astronomy.
GROUP NAME
The consensus of opinion seems to be that sci.astro.amateur would be the
best name for this new group. A few other names have been suggested:
sci.astro.observe, sci.astro.backyard, and rec.astronomy. While
sci.astro.amateur does seem to be the most appropriate name, the merits
of these other group names should be discussed.
PROPOSED CHARTER
The new group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide.
Topics appropriate for this new group include, but are not limited to:
Observing
Using the naked eye, binoculars, or telescopes
The Moon, Planets, Stars, The Sun, Comets, Deep Sky Objects,
Constellations, et. al.
Equipment
Choosing Telescopes/Binoculars
Choosing Accessories (Finders, Drives, Eyepieces, Filters,
Observatories, etc.)
Astrophotography
Traditional
CCD
Image Processing
Astronomy Software
Planetarium Programs
Deep Sky Programs
Observatory Programs
Educational Programs
Tips & Techniques for Amateur Astronomers
Books For Amateur Astronomers
As noted above, posts dealing with the science of astronomy (or
cosmology) should be directed to sci.astro. For instance, a post asking
"How can I see/photograph the collision between Jupiter and comet
Shoemaker-Levy 9" would be appropriate for sci.astro.amateur,
while a post asking "What's going to happen when comet Shoemaker-Levy 9
collides with Jupiter," would be more appropriate for sci.astro.
CONCLUSION
This RFD is being submitted to news.announce.newgroups in compliance
with the guidelines set forth in "How To Create A USENET Newsgroup", by
Ken Kirksey <kkirk...@world.std.com >. It is being sent to sci.astro,
sci.astro.planetarium, sci.astro.research, and sci.space.science.
[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: I did not have prior approval
for cross-posting to the later two moderated groups so it is being sent
to them separately. -- tale ]]
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 13:40:43
From: ko57
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> I enjoyed reading Starlord's sidewalk exploits and treasured Rod Mollise's
> considered and kind comments.
Ditto on Starlord's "sidewalk exploits", and again-all the advise,
observing reports, and equipment user reviews that give us who don't
have an astronomy club that close by help with buying equipment.
>
> It's sad that there is more dross now than gold.
Amen
>
> Reed
Kerry
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:51:35
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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>>
>> It's sad that there is more dross now than gold.
> Amen
>>
The only reason Gold has the Value it has is the effort it takes to
separate it from all the worthless Dirt. A little digging now and then never
hurt anyone ;-)
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 11:03:18
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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On Aug 21, 9:41 am, Edward Erbeck <E...@CrazyEdOptical.com > wrote:
> On 8/21/07 6:08 AM, in article
> 1187701683.113567.305...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "RMOLLISE"
>
>
>
>
>
> <rmoll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 3:34 am, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>
> >>> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
> >>> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>
> >>>> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>
> >>>> HI Sam,
>
> >>>> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of
> >>>> the
> >>>> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>
> >>>> Klazmon.
>
> >>> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>
> >>> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>
> >> How quickly people forget. :-)
>
> >> The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
> >> mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yeah, and less than two years later, we were visited by N.L. and the
> > Zetatalkers (tm). ;-)
>
> > Unk Rod
>
> As I crawl out from under my Rock - Hey Rod, ain't bringin' up N.L. a
> Romper Room No No ? ;-). Ah the days of pages and pages of translated ah,
> ah, OH yea "Insight"! Observing Reports that didn't require you to go to
> their Web Page to figure out what they were talking about. Free flowing info
> on Telescope building (and GASP) folks that were building their own Scopes.
> No Secret hand shakes, no passwords. What a collection of unmoderated fools
> we were.
> And - Hey "Rat", it's good to see the wiggly tail sig. again. See you're
> still up in the High Country.
>
> Crazy Ed
>
> Now where's that Rock - It's time to go to Sleep.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Howdy Ed:
And, yes, them days is gone forever. ;-)
Unk Rod
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 19:07:25
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "RMOLLISE" wrote:
>
> Howdy Ed:
>
And Howdie back to ya Rod.
> And, yes, them days is gone forever. ;-)
>
Yep, you're right. But I still have my Observers Guides and Telescope
Making Magazine Collection, not to mention Ebony Star and Teflon to remind
me ;-)
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 06:08:03
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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On Aug 21, 3:34 am, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com > wrote:
> On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
> > Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>
> > > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
> > >news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>
> > > HI Sam,
>
> > > Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
> > > other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>
> > > Klazmon.
>
> > I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>
> > Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>
> How quickly people forget. :-)
>
> The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
> mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, and less than two years later, we were visited by N.L. and the
Zetatalkers (tm). ;-)
Unk Rod
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 12:20:10
From: Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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RMOLLISE <rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote in
news:1187701683.113567.305570@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> On Aug 21, 3:34 am, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
>> > Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>>
>> > > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
>> > >news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>
>> > > HI Sam,
>>
>> > > Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise
>> > > some of the other names but don't recall any posts from them for a
>> > > long time.
>>
>> > > Klazmon.
>>
>> > I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>>
>> > Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>>
>> How quickly people forget. :-)
>>
>> The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
>> mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.- Hide quoted
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, and less than two years later, we were visited by N.L. and the
> Zetatalkers (tm). ;-)
They had nearly disappeared when I first subscribed to this group. I guess
they ran out of all credibility even among the loonies when their comet
following spaceship failed to show up ;-).
>
> Unk Rod
>
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 07:41:47
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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On 8/21/07 6:08 AM, in article
1187701683.113567.305570@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "RMOLLISE"
<rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 21, 3:34 am, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
>>> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>>
>>>> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
>>>> news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>
>>>> HI Sam,
>>
>>>> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of
>>>> the
>>>> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>>
>>>> Klazmon.
>>
>>> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>>
>>> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>>
>> How quickly people forget. :-)
>>
>> The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
>> mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, and less than two years later, we were visited by N.L. and the
> Zetatalkers (tm). ;-)
>
> Unk Rod
>
As I crawl out from under my Rock - Hey Rod, ain't bringin' up N.L. a
Romper Room No No ? ;-). Ah the days of pages and pages of translated ah,
ah, OH yea "Insight"! Observing Reports that didn't require you to go to
their Web Page to figure out what they were talking about. Free flowing info
on Telescope building (and GASP) folks that were building their own Scopes.
No Secret hand shakes, no passwords. What a collection of unmoderated fools
we were.
And - Hey "Rat", it's good to see the wiggly tail sig. again. See you're
still up in the High Country.
Crazy Ed
Now where's that Rock - It's time to go to Sleep.
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 12:30:34
From: Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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Edward Erbeck <Ed@CrazyEdOptical.com > wrote in
news:C2F047BB.69E9D%Ed@CrazyEdOptical.com:
> On 8/21/07 6:08 AM, in article
> 1187701683.113567.305570@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "RMOLLISE"
> <rmollise@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 21, 3:34 am, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
>>>> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>>
>>>>> HI Sam,
>>>
>>>>> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise
>>>>> some of the
>>>>> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>>>
>>>>> Klazmon.
>>>
>>>> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>>>
>>>> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>>>
>>> How quickly people forget. :-)
>>>
>>> The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
>>> mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.- Hide quoted
>>> text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Yeah, and less than two years later, we were visited by N.L. and the
>> Zetatalkers (tm). ;-)
>>
>> Unk Rod
>>
> As I crawl out from under my Rock - Hey Rod, ain't bringin' up N.L. a
> Romper Room No No ? ;-). Ah the days of pages and pages of translated
> ah, ah, OH yea "Insight"! Observing Reports that didn't require you to
> go to their Web Page to figure out what they were talking about. Free
> flowing info on Telescope building (and GASP) folks that were building
> their own Scopes. No Secret hand shakes, no passwords. What a collection
> of unmoderated fools we were.
> And - Hey "Rat", it's good to see the wiggly tail sig. again. See
> you're
> still up in the High Country.
>
> Crazy Ed
>
> Now where's that Rock - It's time to go to Sleep.
I have noticed a lot of those people from a way back are posting on Yahoo
groups dedicated to specific telescope brands. The old brand X versus brand
Y and reflector versus refractor wars that used to occur here did actually
throw up a lot of useful information. I learned a lot more about issues
with scopes from this group than any other source (some of it even turned
out to be true ;-) ).
Klazmon.
>
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 19:10:42
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" wrote:
>
> I have noticed a lot of those people from a way back are posting on Yahoo
> groups dedicated to specific telescope brands. The old brand X versus brand
> Y and reflector versus refractor wars that used to occur here did actually
> throw up a lot of useful information. I learned a lot more about issues
> with scopes from this group than any other source (some of it even turned
> out to be true ;-) ).
>
Years back I tried a couple of those groups. Too much "Serious"
discussion for me as I've never taken myself "Seriously" ;-)
Crazy Ed
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 09:32:13
From: Howard Lester
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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"Edward Erbeck" wrote
> Years back I tried a couple of those groups. Too much "Serious"
> discussion for me as I've never taken myself "Seriously" ;-)
THAT'S for sure -- welcome back! Now we just have to get back the remaining
50 of the old guard and gather 'round your cases of beer in the shop's back
room....
Howard
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:48:46
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "Howard Lester" wrote:
>> "Edward Erbeck" wrote
>>
>> Years back I tried a couple of those groups. Too much "Serious"
>> discussion for me as I've never taken myself "Seriously" ;-)
>
> THAT'S for sure -- welcome back! Now we just have to get back the remaining
> 50 of the old guard and gather 'round your cases of beer in the shop's back
> room....
>
Howard, There's only 2.5 miles of Dirt Road to get here now! So the only
thing that's the same since you were here last is ............ Yep Cases of
Beer ! ;-) Good to hear from you again.
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 19:55:12
From: Marty
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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I'm one of the late comers to the web. I lurked for a while before I
ever posted anything. I think my first posts here were in 2000... It's
been a wonderful group. Hopefully, it'll keep on for a long time.
There are a number of newsgroups I frequent, but this one is "home."
Marty
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 20:54:04
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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"Marty" <movac5@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:16775-46CB8970-1036@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
> I'm one of the late comers to the web. I lurked for a while before I
> ever posted anything. I think my first posts here were in 2000... It's
> been a wonderful group. Hopefully, it'll keep on for a long time.
> There are a number of newsgroups I frequent, but this one is "home."
> Marty
>
Is this a reunion, or what???
Nice to hear so many voices from yesteryear all at once!!!
Hopefully that WON'T include NL and the PX brigades...
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 19:18:30
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "Marty" wrote:
> I'm one of the late comers to the web. I lurked for a while before I
> ever posted anything. I think my first posts here were in 2000... It's
> been a wonderful group. Hopefully, it'll keep on for a long time.
> There are a number of newsgroups I frequent, but this one is "home."
>
Oh, I'll hazard a guess that this group is in for the "Long Haul".
Folks'll wander in and out, but there'll always be People like Rod, Jan O,
Howard L (who is generally as "serious" as I am) Sam W, etc. that will be
willing to help and inform hanging around here.
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 20:47:36
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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"Edward Erbeck" <Ed@CrazyEdOptical.com > wrote in message
news:C2F0EB06.6A001%Ed@CrazyEdOptical.com...
>> "Marty" wrote:
>
>> I'm one of the late comers to the web. I lurked for a while before I
>> ever posted anything. I think my first posts here were in 2000... It's
>> been a wonderful group. Hopefully, it'll keep on for a long time.
>> There are a number of newsgroups I frequent, but this one is "home."
>>
>
> Oh, I'll hazard a guess that this group is in for the "Long Haul".
> Folks'll wander in and out, but there'll always be People like Rod, Jan O,
> Howard L (who is generally as "serious" as I am) Sam W, etc. that will be
> willing to help and inform hanging around here.
>
> Crazy Ed
>
Howdy, Ed!!!
Great to have you drop in!!! Don't have the pleasure nearly often enough
these days!!!
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 21:32:03
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "Jan Owen" wrote:
>
> Howdy, Ed!!!
>
> Great to have you drop in!!! Don't have the pleasure nearly often enough
> these days!!!
Oh I've been "watching" SAA. Just hasn't been a thread I felt like
jumping in on. Shoot me a P.M. and let me know how life's been treating you.
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 06:06:56
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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On Aug 20, 9:42 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
<Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt > wrote:
> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote innews:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>
> HI Sam,
>
> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>
> Klazmon.
Hi:
I was here from mid-late 1994, but didn't have a reliable connection
till early 1995. Besides, at the time the vote was taken, I was still
hanging-in with Fidonet Astronomy--if anybody remembers that. Come
home, dial up the local BBS and download the day's traffic with The
Bluewave. ;-)
Unk Rod
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 22:07:14
From:
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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I read it somewhere near the start. I got to ask questions and have them
answered by some of the experts in the field.
I enjoyed reading Starlord's sidewalk exploits and treasured Rod Mollise's
considered and kind comments.
It's sad that there is more dross now than gold.
Reed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 20:20:21
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> RMOLLISE <rmollise@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi:
>
>I was here from mid-late 1994, but didn't have a reliable connection
>till early 1995. Besides, at the time the vote was taken, I was still
>hanging-in with Fidonet Astronomy--if anybody remembers that. Come
>home, dial up the local BBS and download the day's traffic with The
>Bluewave. ;-)
>
>Unk Rod
! Yeah - I remember FIDOnet. I posted a monthly events calendar for a
while. It was the basis for the year-long histoircal calendar now on
my web site.
At the time SAA votes were going around, I was just starting to get
used to SA. Didn't know wha the whole vote thing was about (I though
it was for an "elite"), but I hoped SAA was going to form.
And I can say that I'm the proud reciepient of a 1993 personal e-mail
from NL where she actually lost her cool a bit and told me to "Go to
Hell!" (complete with exclamation point).
:-) :-) :-) :-)
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 21:24:06
From: Edward Erbeck
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> "SkySea" wrote:
> And I can say that I'm the proud reciepient of a 1993 personal e-mail
> from NL where she actually lost her cool a bit and told me to "Go to
> Hell!" (complete with exclamation point).
> :-) :-) :-) :-)
>
You did back up the Original on your 8" Floppy Drive didn't you. Good
'cause that's a Collector Item and you'll make BIG $ selling it on Ebay ;-)
Crazy Ed
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 22:36:03
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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> Edward Erbeck <Ed@CrazyEdOptical.com> wrote:
> You did back up the Original on your 8" Floppy Drive didn't you. Good
>'cause that's a Collector Item and you'll make BIG $ selling it on Ebay ;-)
>
> Crazy Ed
Phfft! Heck, I used a sheet of aluminum foil and printed it on a
dot-matrix printer to emboss the letters for history! :-])
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 22:18:48
From: Bob
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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RMOLLISE wrote:
> On Aug 20, 9:42 pm, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
> <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote innews:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>
>> HI Sam,
>>
>> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
>> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>>
>> Klazmon.
>
> Hi:
>
> I was here from mid-late 1994, but didn't have a reliable connection
> till early 1995. Besides, at the time the vote was taken, I was still
> hanging-in with Fidonet Astronomy--if anybody remembers that. Come
> home, dial up the local BBS and download the day's traffic with The
> Bluewave. ;-)
>
> Unk Rod
>
Ah yes, fidonet and dialup. Long distance, no less, to get to one of the
few boards (remember BBS's?) that had internet portals before the web. I
first got access to usenet in 95, and have been reading (and
occasionally posting) on SAA since then. It is still one of my main
sources to get community feedback.
Bob
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 01:34:47
From: thad@thadlabs.com
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>
> > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
> >news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>
> > HI Sam,
>
> > Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
> > other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>
> > Klazmon.
>
> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>
> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
How quickly people forget. :-)
The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 09:42:32
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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In article <1187685287.324538.159820@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
thad@thadlabs.com <thad@thadlabs.com > wrote:
>On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
>> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>>
>> > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
>> >news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>
>> > HI Sam,
>>
>> > Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
>> > other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>>
>> > Klazmon.
>>
>> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>>
>> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>
>How quickly people forget. :-)
>
>The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
>mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.
>
That happened in 1994, the same year saa was created. But this wasn't
the first spam really - the very first unsolicited commercial e-mail
occurred already in 1978.
OK, I'll rephrase myself to: almost no spammers yet.......
because even if ther were a few spams back then, their number was
insignificant compared to today..... :-(
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e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 09:42:32
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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In article <faear0$1tpm$1@merope.saaf.se >,
Paul Schlyter <pausch@saaf.se > wrote:
>In article <1187685287.324538.159820@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>thad@thadlabs.com <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>>On Aug 20, 10:43 pm, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
>>> In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxor...@203.97.37.6>,
>>> Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klaz...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in
>>> >news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>>>
>>> > HI Sam,
>>>
>>> > Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
>>> > other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>>>
>>> > Klazmon.
>>>
>>> I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
>>>
>>> Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
>>
>>How quickly people forget. :-)
>>
>>The first spam was the Canter and Spiegel "green card" scam circa
>>mid-1990s; IIRC, it appeared in every Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>
>That happened in 1994, the same year saa was created. But this wasn't
>the first spam really - the very first unsolicited commercial e-mail
>occurred already in 1978.
>
>OK, I'll rephrase myself to: almost no spammers yet.......
>
>because even if ther were a few spams back then, their number was
>insignificant compared to today..... :-(
Spamming first occurred much earlier than that though - as a matter
of fact already in the 19th century! In the US, investment offers
were sent to multiple recipents over the then brand new telegraph
networks (the "Victorian Internet") - at the end of the 1800's.
Telegraph spam never became a big problem in Europe, because there the
telegraph stations were operatoed by the national post offices.
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 22:44:52
From: Gladys Jenkins
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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i saved this for posterity even though I will be long gone (shortly)
whoever gets my astro computer may find it.
Sam Wormley wrote:
> Date: 11 Jul 1994 23:37:56 -0400
> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
> Lines: 79
> Sender: t...@uunet.uu.net
> Approved: t...@uunet.uu.net
> Message-ID: <2vt36k$om0@rodan.UU.NET>
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5306 news.groups:108142 sci.astro:63028 sci.astro.planetarium:1047
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
> on the creation of
> SCI.ASTRO.AMATEUR
>
> RATIONALE
>
> A USENET newsgroup solely dedicated to the discussion of topics of
> interest to amateur (or "backyard") astronomers does not currently
> exist. Such discussions are currently carried out on sci.astro. The
> volume of traffic on sci.astro, however, has recently grown to the point
> where many people believe that a new group dedicated to the discussion
> of amateur astronomy would be beneficial. Additionally, many readers of
> sci.astro have expressed frustration at having to wade through the more
> technical posts on the sciences of astronomy and cosmology to get to the
> ones dealing with amateur astronomy.
>
> GROUP NAME
>
> The consensus of opinion seems to be that sci.astro.amateur would be the
> best name for this new group. A few other names have been suggested:
> sci.astro.observe, sci.astro.backyard, and rec.astronomy. While
> sci.astro.amateur does seem to be the most appropriate name, the merits
> of these other group names should be discussed.
>
> PROPOSED CHARTER
>
> The new group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide.
>
> Topics appropriate for this new group include, but are not limited to:
>
> Observing
> Using the naked eye, binoculars, or telescopes
> The Moon, Planets, Stars, The Sun, Comets, Deep Sky Objects,
> Constellations, et. al.
>
> Equipment
> Choosing Telescopes/Binoculars
> Choosing Accessories (Finders, Drives, Eyepieces, Filters,
> Observatories, etc.)
>
> Astrophotography
> Traditional
> CCD
> Image Processing
>
> Astronomy Software
> Planetarium Programs
> Deep Sky Programs
> Observatory Programs
> Educational Programs
>
> Tips & Techniques for Amateur Astronomers
>
> Books For Amateur Astronomers
>
> As noted above, posts dealing with the science of astronomy (or
> cosmology) should be directed to sci.astro. For instance, a post asking
> "How can I see/photograph the collision between Jupiter and comet
> Shoemaker-Levy 9" would be appropriate for sci.astro.amateur,
> while a post asking "What's going to happen when comet Shoemaker-Levy 9
> collides with Jupiter," would be more appropriate for sci.astro.
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> This RFD is being submitted to news.announce.newgroups in compliance
> with the guidelines set forth in "How To Create A USENET Newsgroup", by
> Ken Kirksey <kkirk...@world.std.com>. It is being sent to sci.astro,
> sci.astro.planetarium, sci.astro.research, and sci.space.science.
> [[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: I did not have prior approval
> for cross-posting to the later two moderated groups so it is being sent
> to them separately. -- tale ]]
> --
> +===========================================================================+
>
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 14:42:42
From: Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote in
news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
HI Sam,
Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
Klazmon.
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 05:43:48
From: Paul Schlyter
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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In article <Xns999395A881F4AKlazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6 >,
Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt > wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in
> news:rvqyi.51769$Xa3.45347@attbi_s22:
>
> HI Sam,
>
> Are you the only one who voted that still posts here. I recognise some of the
> other names but don't recall any posts from them for a long time.
>
> Klazmon.
I'm still here, and I still post here from time to time.....
Ah, those were the days .... few trolls, no spammers yet.....
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Paul Schlyter, Grev Turegatan 40, SE-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at stockholm dot bostream dot se
WWW: http://stjarnhimlen.se/
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 20:56:53
From: Esmail
Subject: Re: More than 13 years ago we started SAA
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Sam Wormley wrote:
> Date: 11 Jul 1994 23:37:56 -0400
> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
> Lines: 79
> Sender: t...@uunet.uu.net
> Approved: t...@uunet.uu.net
> Message-ID: <2vt36k$om0@rodan.UU.NET>
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5306 news.groups:108142
> sci.astro:63028 sci.astro.planetarium:1047
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
> on the creation of
> SCI.ASTRO.AMATEUR
>
>
<... >
> Sam
> Wormley
Very cool! To have been there at the start.
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