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Date: 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
and enjoy!!
Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
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Date: 17 May 2007 03:42:00
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On May 17, 12:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
> > We should allow oriel36 to the the moderator of sci.astro.amateur. What does
> > everyone think?
>
> I don't know... he's pretty verbose... and I'd have to pull him out of my
> kill file.
Most Americans have fought against ideologies which have tried to
undermine the faith of people in something greater than themselves but
Americans now fail when it comes to the ideology of the empirical cult
and its now explicit anti-religious doctrines.The anti-religious
tendencies seen here day in and day out are the same the old anti-
religious commies tried to use and it is amusing to see Americans
become more comie than the commies themselves by using the pseudo-
authority of science to reduce astronomy from a fountain into an
astrological cistern -
"If he has not done his work well, hostile feeling groups may expose
an individual psychopolitician. These may call into question the
efficacy of psychiatric treatment such as shock, drugs, and brian
surgery. Therefore, the psychopolitical operative must have to hand
innumerable documents which assert enourmously encouraging figures on
the subject of recovery by reason of shock, brain surgery, drugs and
general treatment. Not one of these cases cited need be real, but they
should be documented and printed in such a fashion as to form
excellent court evidence.
When his allegiance is attacked, the psychopolitical operative should
explain his connection with Vienna on the grounds that Vienna is the
place of study for all important matters of the mind.
More importantly, he should rule into scorn, by reason of his
authority, the sanity of the person attacking him, and if the
psychopolitical archives of the country are adequate many defamatory
data can be unearthed and presented as a rebuttal.
Should anyone attempt to expose psychotherapy as a psychopolitical
activity, the best defense is calling into question the sanity of the
attacker. The next best defense is authority. The next best defense is
a validation of psychiatric practices in terms of long and impressive
figures. The next best defense is the actual removal of the attacker
by giving him, or them, treatment sufficient to bring about a period
of insanity for the duration of the trial. This, more than anything
else, would discredit them, but it is dangerous to practice this, in
the extreme."
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics-pt2.html
Tell me what news you have from the science machine today !,how many
dimensions do they believe in today,what shape does the universe have
or what other useless and noveltistic garbage do you think people will
swallow because it is invested with pseudo-authority.It is a steange
world Sam when the commies become consumerists and Americans adopt
commie ideologies but there you have it.Each and every time you
ridicule the faith of people and especially Christian faith,you are no
better or worse than all those miserable people who tried before.
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Date: 16 May 2007 02:46:45
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On May 15, 7:14 pm, "G.T." <getne...@dslextreme.com > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On May 15, 5:41 am, "Martin R. Howell"
> > <martinhow...@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, Martin R. Howell wrote:
> >>> Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur.
>
> > The evolution of an astronomy forum is something else,it begins in
> > bright and breezy ideals and ends in something like this -
>
> >http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30979&page=9
>
> > Killfile,don't read or whatever ,at least the participants of
> > sci.astro.amateur stand a chance to retain their individuality and can
> > squeek out an protest or objection occasionally.
>
> Moderation has killed some newsgroups but having the moderation done out
> of band as Martin is doing brings out all the positives of moderation
> without the negative destroying the base newsgroup.
>
Moderation is a cistern whereas a genuine forum is a fountain.
>
>
> > As a Christian,my business has been to protect and promote my
> > astronomical heritage in an era which is distinctly astrologically
> > dominant .
>
> Ironic that you support something, Christianity, which is just as
> ridiculous as astrology.
>
> Greg
>
Christianity is a matter of intutive intelligence above and beyond
denominational Christianity,its institutions and its failings along
with it successes.Most of the great Western achievements were and are
done in a Christian setting and most of the benefactors were
Christians themselves whether a
Michelangelo,Beethoven,Copernicus ,Steno,Blake ect..With the success
of the anti-intutive empirical cult,the decline in true art and true
astronomy follows suit,the heroes now are sportsmen or those with
pleasent features and a good voice.,we are sold packages now rather
than finding ourselves priviledged to be among the giants of our race
for now anyone can be called an astronomer by buying a telescope or
become a proffessional astronomer by working with a really big
telescope.
The Amercans have tried to counter raw empiricism or the 'scientific
method' in their own way but unfortunately do more damage than
good,their motives are the same that fought communist ideologies or
any ideology which loathes intutive intelligence - the spark of
individuality which is crucial for all healthy societies.When people
write on minds that cannot adjust and are blinkered to any
experience ,it is invariably framed as a nightmare.The participant who
posted the following excerpt in another newsgroup got it right -
"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and
you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make
that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it.
Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of
external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy
of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that
they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be
right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or
that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If
both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if
the mind itself is controllable what then?"
http://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/
The basis of your belief is that the Earth rotates through 360 degrees
in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds and that is not far removed from 2
plus two equals 5.With the longitude story and how clocks keep pace
with the axial cycle as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation there should
be no argument.
> --
> The ticketbastard Tax Tracker:http://www.ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
>
> Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 16 May 2007 12:18:32
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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We should allow oriel36 to the the moderator of sci.astro.amateur. What does
everyone think?
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Date: 16 May 2007 23:37:21
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> We should allow oriel36 to the the moderator of sci.astro.amateur. What does
> everyone think?
>
I don't know... he's pretty verbose... and I'd have to pull him out of my
kill file.
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Date: 16 May 2007 18:19:35
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Yeah, he can be very verbose at times. Maybe if he would lay-off the Jack
Daniels before he posts his responses.
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:RAM2i.56707$n_.45504@attbi_s21...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> We should allow oriel36 to the the moderator of sci.astro.amateur. What
>> does everyone think?
>>
>
> I don't know... he's pretty verbose... and I'd have to pull him out of
> my
> kill file.
>
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Date: 15 May 2007 04:34:02
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On May 15, 5:41 am, "Martin R. Howell"
<martinhow...@ilikestarsisp.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, Martin R. Howell wrote:
> > Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
> > there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
> > images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
> > trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
> > site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
> > and enjoy!!
>
> > Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://www.theastropost.com/moderated_sci.astro.amateur/
>
> UPDATE: Now members can choose from 12 different background templates
> (themes). "Space," the default theme is a beautifully designed background
> while some of the other selections include, Enterprise, StarLight, and
> Mars, to name only a few.
>
> --
> Martin R. Howell
> Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
> Moderated sci.astro.amateurwww.theastropost.com/moderated_sci.astro.amateur
The evolution of an astronomy forum is something else,it begins in
bright and breezy ideals and ends in something like this -
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30979&page=9
Killfile,don't read or whatever ,at least the participants of
sci.astro.amateur stand a chance to retain their individuality and can
squeek out an protest or objection occasionally.
Ostracism as a tactic works when there are vibrant discussions going
on but where there are unhealthy ideologies such the the astrological
and sub-geocentric framework of the late 17th century,ostracism can
only highlight the lack of depth in intutive and intellectual
intelligence required for approaching and dealing with astronomical/
terrestrial affairs.
I am surprised with Americans for clearly the anti-Christian tactics
of empiricists are the same well worn cold war tactics which the old
commies believed in.Attacking the faith of people and especially
Christianity and the use of pychobabble is an old commie tactic that
I find amusing and seeing the responses from the Americans in that
'insanity' style is especially funny .
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics.html
As a Christian,my business has been to protect and promote my
astronomical heritage in an era which is distinctly astrologically
dominant .I am under no obligation to convince,educate or otherwise
force anything on individuals however it would be nice if I came
across individuals who are not enamored by a classroom mentality and
can step out into the stormy seas of conceptual and intutive
astronomy.The politics of staying quiet or ostracism looks like a
great idea when dealing with a person who is promoting his own
opinions but for somebody who is promoting correct working methods and
insights of others the maneuvering of mediocre individuals is
irrelevent and even amusing.
Calling for a moderated forum is therefore as good as killfiling or
staying quiet,it amounts to a resignation that the astronomical
content is not exciting and enjoyable enough as it is currently
presented and it highlights cowardice rather than shrewd thinking.When
all is said and done,the great astronomical insights are still there
to be enjoyed and even modified and that is all that counts.
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Date: 15 May 2007 11:14:46
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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oriel36 wrote:
> On May 15, 5:41 am, "Martin R. Howell"
> <martinhow...@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, Martin R. Howell wrote:
>>> Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur.
>
>
> The evolution of an astronomy forum is something else,it begins in
> bright and breezy ideals and ends in something like this -
>
> http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30979&page=9
>
> Killfile,don't read or whatever ,at least the participants of
> sci.astro.amateur stand a chance to retain their individuality and can
> squeek out an protest or objection occasionally.
Moderation has killed some newsgroups but having the moderation done out
of band as Martin is doing brings out all the positives of moderation
without the negative destroying the base newsgroup.
>
> As a Christian,my business has been to protect and promote my
> astronomical heritage in an era which is distinctly astrologically
> dominant .
>
Ironic that you support something, Christianity, which is just as
ridiculous as astrology.
Greg
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http://www.ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 15 May 2007 11:57:56
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:14:46 -0700, G.T. wrote:
> Moderation has killed some newsgroups but having the moderation done out
> of band as Martin is doing brings out all the positives of moderation
> without the negative destroying the base newsgroup.
Thanks, Greg. If I didn't truly believe in the potential benefits to
members of the traditional s.a.a. that Moderated sci.astro.amateur stands
to offer, then I wouldn't waste my time on the project. We have about 20
members at this time with more slowly coming on. While involvement by
membership is low at this point, I continue to try to improve the site and
to keep it "seeded" with my own entries to give those members checking in
(or guests dropping by) something fresh to view.
I don't know how many of you have tried the trim yet funcional and
informative flash planetarium at Moderated sci.astro.amateur but when you
do you'll discover a neat little "grab 'n go" planetarium. . .complete with
a nightvision display option.
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
Moderated sci.astro.amateur
www.theastropost.com/moderated_sci.astro.amateur
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Date: 15 May 2007 12:02:40
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:14:46 -0700, G.T. wrote:
>
>> Moderation has killed some newsgroups but having the moderation done out
>> of band as Martin is doing brings out all the positives of moderation
>> without the negative destroying the base newsgroup.
>
>
> Thanks, Greg. If I didn't truly believe in the potential benefits to
> members of the traditional s.a.a. that Moderated sci.astro.amateur stands
> to offer, then I wouldn't waste my time on the project. We have about 20
> members at this time with more slowly coming on. While involvement by
> membership is low at this point, I continue to try to improve the site and
> to keep it "seeded" with my own entries to give those members checking in
> (or guests dropping by) something fresh to view.
>
> I don't know how many of you have tried the trim yet funcional and
> informative flash planetarium at Moderated sci.astro.amateur but when you
> do you'll discover a neat little "grab 'n go" planetarium. . .complete with
> a nightvision display option.
>
Cool. I'll have to start paying more attention.
Greg
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The ticketbastard Tax Tracker:
http://www.ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 14 May 2007 21:41:01
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, Martin R. Howell wrote:
> Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
> there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
> images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
> trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
> site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
> and enjoy!!
>
> Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://www.theastropost.com/moderated_sci.astro.amateur/
UPDATE: Now members can choose from 12 different background templates
(themes). "Space," the default theme is a beautifully designed background
while some of the other selections include, Enterprise, StarLight, and
Mars, to name only a few.
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
Moderated sci.astro.amateur
www.theastropost.com/moderated_sci.astro.amateur
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 05:55:51
From: elaich
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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"Martin R. Howell" <martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com > wrote in
news:1g25mn4kosgb2$.10lxgd9m4f6t0$.dlg@40tude.net:
> Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur:
> http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
Forums like this do nothing but add additional fragmentation to an already
fragmented group.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 14:07:51
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Apr 27, 5:48 pm, "Martin R. Howell"
<martinhow...@ilikestarsisp.com > wrote:
> Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
> there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
> images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
> trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
> site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
> and enjoy!!
>
> Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
>
> --
> Martin R. Howell
> Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
Moderated newsgroups are for wimps, little old ladies, and Baptist
preachers.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 00:27:51
From: Knap
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Apr 27, 5:48 pm, "Martin R. Howell"
> <martinhow...@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
> > Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
> > there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
> > images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
> > trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
> > site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
> > and enjoy!!
> >
> > Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
> >
> > --
> > Martin R. Howell
> > Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
>
> Moderated newsgroups are for wimps, little old ladies, and Baptist
> preachers.
Because your ass would be OUT!
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 16:16:25
From: Larry Stedman
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Martin, another suggestion. I'd populate the board/forum with several
major categories to get people started...
Borrow some of the major categories from Cloudy Night and Astromart.
Deep-sky, planetary, sun;
what's currently up in the sky; novices;
reflector, refractor forums, etc.
Larry Stedman
Suburban Milky Way
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 00:27:10
From: Knap
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Larry Stedman wrote:
> Martin, another suggestion. I'd populate the board/forum with several
> major categories to get people started...
>
> Borrow some of the major categories from Cloudy Night and Astromart.
>
> Deep-sky, planetary, sun;
>
> what's currently up in the sky; novices;
>
> reflector, refractor forums, etc.
>
> Larry Stedman
> Suburban Milky Way
One of the values of usenet is generalisation. I realise there seem
to be tons of people who prefer specialisation, if thats what it
is? Personally I thinks that's crazy especially for amateurs but
who am I to tell anyone they cant have their favorite flavour of
astronomical ideology ? I simply find these specialists dont have
a whole lot to contribute, that's worthwhile. I mean who goes through life
on left handed wing nuts only? Maybe you but not
me.
Its like 300 tv channels and all of them crap, and all sporting 45 minutes
of advertising every hour! Its nuts but it is America.
Its like 300 political parties and ten corporations running away
with the Nation while everyone debates and smiles polite in
bankruptcy!
Just my take on this -
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 14:50:04
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:16:25 -0400, Larry Stedman wrote:
> Martin, another suggestion. I'd populate the board/forum with several
> major categories to get people started...
>
> Borrow some of the major categories from Cloudy Night and Astromart.
>
> Deep-sky, planetary, sun;
>
> what's currently up in the sky; novices;
>
> reflector, refractor forums, etc.
I did consider doing this but wanted to invest the site with as much of a
usenet structure as possible within the constraints of a fancy forum.
Towards that end, the main board within the forum site is titled "General
Amateur Astronomy Subject Matter," and is intended to serve as the "catch
all" with which sci.astro.amateur functions. Members should expect and
accept that any of the catagories you suggested (and that populate other
more mainstream astro forums) are all mixed together here and a post about
a 60mm Tasco refractor could be followed by a post announcing a local
astronomy club's upcoming star party and that one followed by another about
that rascal next door with the unnecessary and obtrusive outdoor lighting
around his house.
In my opinion, it is that free-wheeling composition mixed with from where
Moderated sci.astro.amateur draws its membership (it is only being
announced in this usenet group) that enable me to rightfully name it
"Moderated sci.astro.amateur," and to see it, as hopefully others will, as
a pseudo newsgroup.
We are off and rolling and I must say that things seem to be going well for
24 hours into operation. . .several new members with quite high traffic in
and out amongst the lookieloos.
It is my nickel, and one well spent, should Moderated sci.astro.amateur
find its way into the bookmarks of personal computers around the world
providing a nicer, leaner, and more focused version of sci.astro.amateur
for those seeking just that. Some good and contributing members of
sci.astro.amateur are already onboard and Moderated sci.astro.amateur can
only excel with their contributions.
I do appreciate your interest and input.
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 17:27:07
From: Marty
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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>Members should expect and accept that
> any of the catagories you suggested
> (and that populate other more
> mainstream astro forums) are all mixed
> together here and a post about a 60mm
> Tasco refractor could be followed by a
> post announcing a local astronomy
> club's upcoming star party and that one
> followed by another about that rascal
> next door with the unnecessary and
> obtrusive outdoor lighting around his
> house.
I agree with this. I go to very few newsgroups, and enjoy just
scrolling down this one. I sometimes run across topics I'd never see if
they were segregated off into a category that I don't usually
concentrate on. That's one of the things that makes sci.astro.amateur
worth plodding past long strings of horsepucky.
Marty
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 03:58:41
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Marty wrote:
>> Members should expect and accept that
>> any of the catagories you suggested
>> (and that populate other more
>> mainstream astro forums) are all mixed
>> together here and a post about a 60mm
>> Tasco refractor could be followed by a
>> post announcing a local astronomy
>> club's upcoming star party and that one
>> followed by another about that rascal
>> next door with the unnecessary and
>> obtrusive outdoor lighting around his
>> house.
>
> I agree with this. I go to very few newsgroups, and enjoy just
> scrolling down this one. I sometimes run across topics I'd never see if
> they were segregated off into a category that I don't usually
> concentrate on. That's one of the things that makes sci.astro.amateur
> worth plodding past long strings of horsepucky.
> Marty
>
I agree--and kill files are quite effective. USENET still has its
place on the internet.
Best regards,
-Sam Wormley
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 08:07:49
From: Larry Stedman
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Well, maybe I'm in the minority on this one, then!
I'm just used to web-based forums have category structure... and prefer
not wading through lots of posts! (I take it that one cannot create
categories on the new board.)
Still, I do occasionally launch the newsreader for this newsgroup and
make good use of filters. And confirming what you all said, there were
some interesting posts about NEAF and the new Nagler 100 degree eyepiece
design that I probably would not have seen otherwise---or at least not
for a while.
The tough part will be achieving critical mass on the new forum... glad
to hear it's getting off to a good start!
Larry Stedman
Suburban Milky Way
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 15:34:59
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:07:49 -0400, Larry Stedman wrote:
> (I take it that one cannot create
> categories on the new board.)
Hi Larry,
Yep, I can create new catagories and have decided to have one dedicated for
members to post their own astro imagery. This is being done right now. I
will seed the new catagory (as I do all) with my own contribution. . .a
hand held lunar photo, edited with The GIMP, that turned out beyond all my
expectations. Hope you like it and feel free to put something of your own
up, should you choose.
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 15:28:14
From: Stuart Chapman
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Martin R. Howell wrote:
> Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
> there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
> images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
> trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
> site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
> and enjoy!!
>
> Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
>
>
>
I don't understand how the dates / times for the posts work. For example:
April 37, 27, 01:2007:12 PM
?
--
Stupot http://insignity.blogspot.com
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 16:05:27
From: Larry Stedman
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Martin, good luck with the new site!
By the way, don't mean to be pedantic, but it's "camaraderie".
Larry Stedman
Suburban Milky Way
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 16:48:12
From: Florian
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Frankly, i think the graphics on the web site are more annoying than the =
trolls on s.a.a. ;-)
.Florian
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 17:28:00
From: Martin R. Howell
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:48:12 -0700, Florian wrote:
> Frankly, i think the graphics on the web site are more annoying than the trolls on s.a.a. ;-)
Thanks for the input. I too was concerned about this and was awaiting
comment(s). The graphics have now been changed to something MUCH easier to
take.
--
Martin R. Howell
Worldwide Amateur Astronomers
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 19:01:21
From: Florian
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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> Thanks for the input. I too was concerned about this and was awaiting
> comment(s). The graphics have now been changed to something MUCH =
easier to
> take. =20
Yes, looks much better now! And if i could maybe make another =
suggestion... When you post a new site don't use tinyurl. I much rather =
know the actual address and domain of a site before i visit than a =
hidden url.
.Florian
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 01:41:21
From: Mick
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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"Martin R. Howell" <martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:48:12 -0700, Florian wrote:
>
>> Frankly, i think the graphics on the web site are more annoying than the
>> trolls on s.a.a. ;-)
>
>
>
> Thanks for the input. I too was concerned about this and was awaiting
> comment(s). The graphics have now been changed to something MUCH easier
> to
> take.
You da man !
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 22:17:17
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, "Martin R. Howell"
<martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com > wrote:
>
>Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
>there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
>images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
>trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This new
>site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur. Welcome,
>and enjoy!!
>
>Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
Unfortunately, it's yet another web forum, not a newsgroup. I'll take
the mild anarchy of Usenet over any web-based interface, thanks. Now, if
your forum software can support an email interface, I might
reconsider...
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 21:44:10
From: Andrew Smallshaw
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On 2007-04-27, Chris L Peterson <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, "Martin R. Howell"
><martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur: http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
>
> Unfortunately, it's yet another web forum, not a newsgroup. I'll take
> the mild anarchy of Usenet over any web-based interface, thanks. Now, if
> your forum software can support an email interface, I might
> reconsider...
I too, tend to prefer a newsgroup. Thy're much more convienient
for any number of reasons. The default behaviour of most readers
to hide previously read posts is useful enough in itself. There's
no reason that a sci.astro.amateur.moderated usenet newsgroup
couldn't be created - the technology allows it and it is in use on
many groups.
The process for creating a sci.* group isn't straightforward but
not insurmountable either. Basically want you'd need are a charter
specifying what is and is not on topic, moderation policy, and of
course at least one, though preferably several, moderators.
What's the feeling in the group for doing this? Speaking personally,
I find reading this group largely to be a waste of time due to the
nuts - a moderated group could be far more useful. If there's
sufficient interest, I'll start the ball rolling with some topics
for discussion that would help drafting a charter before beginning
the formal RFD process, but there would have to be expressions of
interest to make any discussion worthwhile.
--
Andrew Smallshaw
andrews@sdf.lonestar.org
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 22:03:34
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Smallshaw
<andrews@sdf.lonestar.org > wrote:
>The process for creating a sci.* group isn't straightforward but
>not insurmountable either. Basically want you'd need are a charter
>specifying what is and is not on topic, moderation policy, and of
>course at least one, though preferably several, moderators.
>
>What's the feeling in the group for doing this?
I doubt I'd follow any moderated newsgroup. Moderation takes time, and
tends to break dialogs.
>Speaking personally,
>I find reading this group largely to be a waste of time due to the
>nuts - a moderated group could be far more useful.
There are only a few nuts, they just tend to be prolific. But with a few
simple filters, there's really no reason to see much of it. When a
useless topic shows up, it's four clicks and no thinking to drop a
30-day kill filter in place, and that's the last I see of it.
Practically everything I see on SAA is topical (or close enough for my
tastes).
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 05:53:29
From: elaich
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Chris L Peterson <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote in
news:dsg733l9n27rd6fbteu61v82cv2lorc859@4ax.com:
> There are only a few nuts, they just tend to be prolific. But with a few
> simple filters, there's really no reason to see much of it. When a
> useless topic shows up, it's four clicks and no thinking to drop a
> 30-day kill filter in place, and that's the last I see of it.
But too many people insist on using crapified newsreaders that don't allow
that. And even worse are the Google Group bunch.
People won't protect themselves, won't learn, won't stop reading and
replying to troll posts, and then start yelling for a moderated group.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 00:25:48
From: lal_truckee
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
> I doubt I'd follow any moderated newsgroup. Moderation takes time, and
> tends to break dialogs.
FWIW, usegroup moderation can be automated, so that those with a good
track record are immediately approved, those with a bad track record
automatically rejected, and only newbies hand moderated. Or moderation
(rejection) can be automated on keywords.
What I don't understand is, if the guy wants to parallel
sci.astro.amateur with a moderated group, why not set it up a public
news server so we can all use our newsreader software and it looks the
same as sci.astro.amateur. I believe all newsreaders are equipped to
connect to multiple servers.
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 21:59:41
From: Andrew Smallshaw
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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On 2007-04-29, lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Chris L Peterson wrote:
>>
>> I doubt I'd follow any moderated newsgroup. Moderation takes time, and
>> tends to break dialogs.
>
> FWIW, usegroup moderation can be automated, so that those with a good
> track record are immediately approved, those with a bad track record
> automatically rejected, and only newbies hand moderated. Or moderation
> (rejection) can be automated on keywords.
It can be done in any number of ways. Maybe ten years ago I was
involved in the discussion to create comp.arch.hobbyist. This
group is moderated but the only requirement to get past the bot is
that you include 'PRR' in your first post. PRR=Posting Rules Read,
implying that you have at least read the FAQ and know what the
group is about. The group is more or less dead now but it worked
very well when it was active.
Such an approach probably wouldn't be appropriate here, but a
whitelist of 'trusted' authors could easily be implemented. Besides,
if you have five separate moderators each checking once a day,
you'd expect messages to be checked every five hours on average.
Not a very long time - the propagation delays inherent in NNTP can
amount to _days_ in extreme cases. (This is why you shouldn't
immediately repeat your post if it doesn't show up at first).
In any case, in most mature discussion groups the majority of posts
are either new users asking a question, or a small number of
regulars. A delay in the former isn't going to disrupt a discussion,
while the latter would be whitelisted.
> What I don't understand is, if the guy wants to parallel
> sci.astro.amateur with a moderated group, why not set it up a public
> news server so we can all use our newsreader software and it looks the
> same as sci.astro.amateur. I believe all newsreaders are equipped to
> connect to multiple servers.
It depends on what level of support you need. I use slrn on Unix
and while I can have a separate news server with separate groups
that I am subscribed to, they must be handled by separate invocations
of the program - not the most convenient thing for a single group.
This is the case for most of the character-mode Unix newsreaders.
--
Andrew Smallshaw
andrews@sdf.lonestar.org
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 11:05:07
From: Roger Hamlett
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote in message
news:73t433tpfutf5mde4uotdo1kkhracsfmrj@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, "Martin R. Howell"
> <martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Lots of people have been asking for a moderated sci.astro.amateur. Now
>>there is one and there you can run your own custom polls, post your own
>>images, give and get amateur astronomy related advice and etc. without
>>trolls or flames getting bandwidth (or at least for very long). This
>>new
>>site should serve to augment the traditional sci.astro.amateur.
>>Welcome,
>>and enjoy!!
>>
>>Here is the link to Moderated sci.astro.amateur:
>>http://tinyurl.com/2ycw9k
>
> Unfortunately, it's yet another web forum, not a newsgroup. I'll take
> the mild anarchy of Usenet over any web-based interface, thanks. Now, if
> your forum software can support an email interface, I might
> reconsider...
Yes.
Unfortunately, most of the time, I can't access the 'web', so for me,
email based systems like usenet, or the email interface to Yahoo, are the
only choice.
Best Wishes
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 15:49:27
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Moderated sci.astro.amateur
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For e-mail you could always join astronomy-net@domeus.co.uk which is a nice
group, not tons of mail and little if no spam and none of the kooks but one,
me.
astronomy-net-subscribe@domeus.co.uk
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"Chris L Peterson" <clp@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:48:35 -0700, "Martin R. Howell"
> <martinhowell@ilikestarsisp.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it's yet another web forum, not a newsgroup. I'll take
> the mild anarchy of Usenet over any web-based interface, thanks. Now, if
> your forum software can support an email interface, I might
> reconsider...
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
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