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Date: 23 Aug 2007 08:34:36
From: William J. Shaheen
Subject: It's time.
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
welcome.
It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
level fosters more productive communications.
Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
more than your typical spam.
The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
Respectfully.
William J. Shaheen
Gold Canyon, AZ
USA
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 11:59:20
From:
Subject: Re: It's time.
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On Aug 23, 10:42 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:05:45 -0500, MLK <m...@avalon.com> wrote:
> >If the spam cant be confronted then something is radically wrong...
>
> I just don't see why people get so up in arms. Who cares if there's a
> bunch of non-topical junk? That's the way the world works. I pick up a
---snip---
>
> For me, it's the lack of moderation and the range of interesting posters
> that make SAA the fun and useful place it is.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
Hi Chris
I tend to agree with you.
It seems that many on SAA think that this is
only hitting SAA. The Sporger is hitting multiple news groups along
with SAA. For those with dialup, it is a real pain.
It seems to be coordinated with the MI5 guy so I suspect it
is the same person.
It would be nice to have an effective method of weeding through
the noise but eventually one would hope that that person either
gets tired, learns some social responsibility or gets a life. His
life is most likely messed up and he just wants to strike out.
Like I said, this guy is hitting many, many news groups equally.
I know of at least 6 other groups that I frequent are getting hit.
We shouldn't be abandoning these open groups because of
this type of abuse.
Dwight
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 02:06:51
From: Odysseus
Subject: Re: It's time.
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In article <1187981960.541520.269120@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
dkelvey@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip >
> It seems that many on SAA think that this is
> only hitting SAA. The Sporger is hitting multiple news groups along
> with SAA. For those with dialup, it is a real pain.
> It seems to be coordinated with the MI5 guy so I suspect it
> is the same person.
I doubt it: he's been around for a long time, just an attention-seeking
loony.
The sporge attacks apparently started with somebody's grudge against a
cryptology NG, and then spread wherever anyone responded to a bait
message with followups set to go there.
--
Odysseus
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 14:18:36
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: It's time.
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<dkelvey@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187981960.541520.269120@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 10:42 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:05:45 -0500, MLK <m...@avalon.com> wrote:
>> >If the spam cant be confronted then something is radically wrong...
>>
>> I just don't see why people get so up in arms. Who cares if there's a
>> bunch of non-topical junk? That's the way the world works. I pick up a
> ---snip---
>>
>> For me, it's the lack of moderation and the range of interesting posters
>> that make SAA the fun and useful place it is.
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
>
> Hi Chris
> I tend to agree with you.
> It seems that many on SAA think that this is
> only hitting SAA. The Sporger is hitting multiple news groups along
> with SAA. For those with dialup, it is a real pain.
> It seems to be coordinated with the MI5 guy so I suspect it
> is the same person.
> It would be nice to have an effective method of weeding through
> the noise but eventually one would hope that that person either
> gets tired, learns some social responsibility or gets a life. His
> life is most likely messed up and he just wants to strike out.
> Like I said, this guy is hitting many, many news groups equally.
> I know of at least 6 other groups that I frequent are getting hit.
> We shouldn't be abandoning these open groups because of
> this type of abuse.
> Dwight
>
I agree.
Interestingly (and thankfully) these attacks seem to have brought a few
folks BACK to SAA (unless it's just coincidental). And THAT has been VERY
nice!!!
SO nice to hear from some of the voices from the past, and I hope they stick
around, and call back a few MORE!!!
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 00:05:45
From: MLK
Subject: Re: It's time.
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If the spam cant be confronted then something is radically wrong.
SAA could be set up as a moderated usenet group, then the moderators take
a long vacation except in the case of spam.
What am I missing that people want to abdicate rather than face
the central problem? Must we always give in to the tyrants and
psychoes? There has to be a better way which does not mean
giving up saa. Just my 2c.
Jerry (Iowa City)
"William J. Shaheen" wrote:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
>
> This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
> Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
> obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
> welcome.
>
> It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
> public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
> elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
> automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
> And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
> level fosters more productive communications.
>
> Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
> and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
> in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
> more than your typical spam.
>
> The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
> to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
>
> Respectfully.
>
> William J. Shaheen
> Gold Canyon, AZ
> USA
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 23:42:09
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: It's time.
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:05:45 -0500, MLK <mlk@avalon.com > wrote:
>If the spam cant be confronted then something is radically wrong...
I just don't see why people get so up in arms. Who cares if there's a
bunch of non-topical junk? That's the way the world works. I pick up a
newspaper (which I paid for, BTW) and it's full of junk. A sports
section, utterly worthless. A section of advertisements bigger than the
news section. Worthless. 75% useless stories scattered around the stuff
I'm interested in. More ads. The same with TV. Driving down the street
I'm surrounded by spam.
And here on SAA? Practically no spam at all, no advertising. That's a
relief. A certain amount of non-topical stuff, which is occasionally
interesting but generally easy to ignore, or filter if you're so
inclined. Every few years something like this sporge attack, but that's
effectively the same as a denial-of-service attack, and moderated
newsgroups (and especially moderated web-based forums) are just as
vulnerable. And the sporge is trivial to delete... people spend far more
time trying to devise clever filters (and probably end up missing good
stuff) than they would just manually deleting big blocks of obvious junk
once or twice a day for the couple of weeks a sporge attack lasts.
For me, it's the lack of moderation and the range of interesting posters
that make SAA the fun and useful place it is.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 02:27:51
From: embargo
Subject: Re: It's time.
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:05:45 -0500, MLK <mlk@avalon.com> wrote:
>
> >If the spam cant be confronted then something is radically wrong...
>
> I just don't see why people get so up in arms. Who cares if there's a
> bunch of non-topical junk? That's the way the world works. I pick up a
> newspaper (which I paid for, BTW) and it's full of junk. A sports
> section, utterly worthless. A section of advertisements bigger than the
> news section. Worthless. 75% useless stories scattered around the stuff
> I'm interested in. More ads. The same with TV. Driving down the street
> I'm surrounded by spam.
>
> And here on SAA? Practically no spam at all, no advertising. That's a
> relief. A certain amount of non-topical stuff, which is occasionally
> interesting but generally easy to ignore, or filter if you're so
> inclined. Every few years something like this sporge attack, but that's
> effectively the same as a denial-of-service attack, and moderated
> newsgroups (and especially moderated web-based forums) are just as
> vulnerable. And the sporge is trivial to delete... people spend far more
> time trying to devise clever filters (and probably end up missing good
> stuff) than they would just manually deleting big blocks of obvious junk
> once or twice a day for the couple of weeks a sporge attack lasts.
>
> For me, it's the lack of moderation and the range of interesting posters
> that make SAA the fun and useful place it is.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
all true.
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 00:02:22
From: Florian
Subject: Re: It's time.
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> For me, it's the lack of moderation and the range of interesting posters
> that make SAA the fun and useful place it is.
I certainly agree with that. I also find i might post things here that
might be a bit frivolous what i wouldn't post on a more controlled email
type group. It all works out.
.Florian
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 19:38:42
From: William J. Shaheen
Subject: Re: It's time.
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On Aug 23, 9:07 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> William J. Shaheen wrote:
> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
>
> > This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
> > Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
> > obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
> > welcome.
>
> > It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
> > public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
> > elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
> > automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
> > And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
> > level fosters more productive communications.
>
> > Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
> > and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
> > in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
> > more than your typical spam.
>
> > The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
> > to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
>
> > Respectfully.
>
> > William J. Shaheen
> > Gold Canyon, AZ
> > USA
>
> Unless it would be construed as spam, why not auto post your
> "YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur" to sci.astro.amateur?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the suggestion, Sam.
Bill in AZ
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 21:10:11
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: It's time.
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Is this in addition to the other "SAA.moderated" Yahoo forum?
Let's start a few more, too. In fact, everyone can have their own, and
moderate it according to their own taste.
Perhaps we can cross-post between them, so we don't miss information?
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:56:06
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: It's time.
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As most have learned,there is a facet of astronomy that deals with
magnification and photography but neither makes a person an
astronomer.
Everybody is an astronomer insofar as our bodies are conditioned by
the daily and annual cycle of the Earth,really good astronomers know
the details of those motions.
Now,we have those who swear by constellational geometry and the
astrological core against which all celestial objects are
imprinted,they are recognised by the inability to recognise basic
astronomical principles and specifically the most basic astronomical
tenet of all - the natural variations in the daily noon cycle.
Unfortunately these people give themselves out to the world as
astronomers -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
So,when the 'moderators' of these groups set the limits for astronomy
based on reasoning which is not astronomical but astrological,the
results are predictable.The problem is that there is no such thing as
an 'amateur' astronomer,every single person is an astronomer whether
they know it or not,it is just that none of you have grown beyond your
limiting magnification exercise to enjoy the works of the real
astronomers such as Copernicus and Kepler in structural astronomy and
Huygens in timekeeping astronomy.
On Aug 23, 4:34 pm, "William J. Shaheen" <WJShah...@aol.com > wrote:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
>
> This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
> Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
> obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
> welcome.
>
> It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
> public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
> elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
> automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
> And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
> level fosters more productive communications.
>
> Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
> and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
> in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
> more than your typical spam.
>
> The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
> to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
>
> Respectfully.
>
> William J. Shaheen
> Gold Canyon, AZ
> USA
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 23:58:19
From: MLK
Subject: Re: It's time.
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tAKE YOUR MEDS!
oriel36 wrote:
> As most have learned,there is a facet of astronomy that deals with
> magnification and photography but neither makes a person an
> astronomer.
>
> Everybody is an astronomer insofar as our bodies are conditioned by
> the daily and annual cycle of the Earth,really good astronomers know
> the details of those motions.
>
> Now,we have those who swear by constellational geometry and the
> astrological core against which all celestial objects are
> imprinted,they are recognised by the inability to recognise basic
> astronomical principles and specifically the most basic astronomical
> tenet of all - the natural variations in the daily noon cycle.
>
> Unfortunately these people give themselves out to the world as
> astronomers -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
>
> So,when the 'moderators' of these groups set the limits for astronomy
> based on reasoning which is not astronomical but astrological,the
> results are predictable.The problem is that there is no such thing as
> an 'amateur' astronomer,every single person is an astronomer whether
> they know it or not,it is just that none of you have grown beyond your
> limiting magnification exercise to enjoy the works of the real
> astronomers such as Copernicus and Kepler in structural astronomy and
> Huygens in timekeeping astronomy.
>
> On Aug 23, 4:34 pm, "William J. Shaheen" <WJShah...@aol.com> wrote:
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
> >
> > This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
> > Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
> > obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
> > welcome.
> >
> > It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
> > public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
> > elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
> > automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
> > And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
> > level fosters more productive communications.
> >
> > Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
> > and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
> > in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
> > more than your typical spam.
> >
> > The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
> > to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
> >
> > Respectfully.
> >
> > William J. Shaheen
> > Gold Canyon, AZ
> > USA
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 16:07:52
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: It's time.
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William J. Shaheen wrote:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sci_astro_amateur/
>
> This is the YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur (SAA).
> Moderation will be kept to a minimum but will be used to exclude
> obviously obnoxious or disruptive behavior. Additional moderators are
> welcome.
>
> It is indeed unfortunate that once any technology has been out in the
> public after its initial success, it attracts many undesirable
> elements and, in the end, some level of control is necessary. When
> automobiles first took to the roads, there were no traffic controls.
> And, as much as those in our generation abhor moderation, a reasonable
> level fosters more productive communications.
>
> Many of you are frequent posters to several YaHoo Groups. So, I hope
> and believe you will consider this option a viable and practical one,
> in the face of the recent onslaught in SAA of what appears to be much
> more than your typical spam.
>
> The principal players and originators of SAA are particularly welcomed
> to act as additional moderators and to post the inaugural message.
>
> Respectfully.
>
> William J. Shaheen
> Gold Canyon, AZ
> USA
>
Unless it would be construed as spam, why not auto post your
"YaHoo equivalent of the USENET sci.astro.amateur" to sci.astro.amateur?
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