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Date: 05 May 2007 04:35:50
From: oriel36
Subject: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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I thought the enjoyable work by Huygens was only availible through
subscription in JSTOR however I found the work is availible for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
It is probably the first real instance since Copernicus discovered the
orbital and axial cycles that the great Western astronomical adaption
of the Equation of Time system to terrestrial longitudes is
explained as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation.
This is a shared astronomical heritage as I never stop reminding
readers here and there is nothing remotely difficult beyond the small
initial effort to grasp the difference between the total length of the
daily cycle from the human devised principle of the 24 hour cycle.To
promote the work of Huygens will certainly bypass any need to refer to
the rightful objections which correlate clocks with axial rotation
via celestial sphere geometry,indeed and astronomer can enjoy the
correct principles while keeping the Ra/Dec system as an observational
convenience,just so long as the motions of the Earth are not justified
using constellational geometry.
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Date: 08 May 2007 12:01:10
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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On May 8, 1:44 pm, "MA" <M...@nospan.com > wrote:
> Oriole, you fucking ass'ole!!
I am not offended by the presence of people willing to stick with an
obvious error created by Flamsteed,I am dismayed that the lovely jewel
of a treatise by Huygens explaining the principles of determining the
24 hour day and how it ultimately correlates to the 24 hour/360 degree
equivalency goes unappreciated.There are no astronomers in other words
and bearing that feeling is the most heartbreaking of all.
The lovely work by Huygens is a wonderful Western extention of the
reasoning of Copernicus while the alternative value of 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds is a rejection of the great Western astronomical
insights.Watching the devastation of an entire astronomical tradition
with nobody caring and only magnification guys and their concerns
passing as 'astronomy',the world is so much a poorer and barren place.
You have your notions and know no better but when you see the little
jewels contained in the Huygen's work,what you receive is an
indoctrination rather than an education -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
There may be genuine people who see the set of values in the Equation
of Time tables of Huygens are entirely different to those which
appear today but such is the human devised principle which creates the
24 hour day from natural noon and allows each day to elapse seamlessly
into the next.At one time,these observations would be sacred to
astronomers but now are diluted into a parody of a variable tilting
Earth and the position of the Sun against the Equator,even the
correlation which keep clocks in sync with the daily cycle is lost.
What occured outweighs any news item that occured in your lifetime,at
least in many aspects.Nobody envisions that an entire community would
have basic difficulties with the 24 hour cycle and terrestrial/
celestial phenomena and this is not the creationists I am refering to
but the celestial sphere astrologers and their 23 hour 56 minu6te 04
second value for axial rotation through 360 degrees.
All is forgiven when people return to their senses and start to enjoy
the works of Copernicus and Kepler in regard to the Earth's orbital
motion and people like Huygens and Frisius in respect to the axial
cycle and how the Equation of Time system was overlaid on the
heliocentric principle.This is my hope even if I still receive a fair
bit of stick for promoting an almost lost astronomical heritage.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
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Date: 06 May 2007 12:22:25
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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On May 6, 4:42 pm, John <J...@NoSpam.net > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote: 140 lines of crap, as usual...
>
> John.
It must be something else to ignore the enjoyable reasoning which
naturally emerges from the correlation between clocks,terrestrial
longitude and geographic seperation -
'How by Observing the Rising and Setting of the Sun, and the Time by
the Watches, the Longitude at Sea may be found.'
" This way doth neither require the Knowledge of the Hight of the
Pole, nor of the Declination of the Sun, nor the Use of any
Astronomical Instruments: Neither can the Refraction of the Sun or
Stars cause any considerable Error, the refraction of the Morning
differing but little or nothing from that of the Evening of one and
the same day, especially at Sea. Thus then you are to proceed;
At the Rising and Setting of the Sun, when it is half above the
Horison, marke the time of the day, which the Watches then shew; and
though you have in the mean time sayl'd on, it is not considerable.
Then reckon by the Watches, what time is elaps'd between them, and add
the half thereof to the time of the Rising, and you shall have the
time by the Watches, when the Sun was at South; to which is to be
added the Aequation of the present day by the Table. And if this
together makes 12. hours, then was the ship at Noon under the same
Meridian, where the Watches were set with the Sun. But if the summe be
more than 12, then was she at Noon under a more Westerly Meridian: and
if less, then under a more Easterly; and that by as many times 15.
degrees, as that Summe exceeds or comes short hours of 12: as the
Calculation thereof hath been already deliver'd." Huygens
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
Tell me which one of you feels proud of your 23 hour 56 minute 04
second scaffolding attached to rotation through 360 degrees ? -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
You have not disgraced yourselves until the time when these texts
become availible and it can clearly be seen how the correlation works
for clocks and how it is an affirmation of Copernican heliocentric
reasoning.
Where are the great men like those who once graced this world and
fought for what is best in all human endeavor,all the great creative
works that spring to life in the hearts of those who see something
bigger than themselves.Nobody sinks back into a dismal sub-geocentric
condition once they come into contact with the reasoning of the great
astronomers,not just the great Western men but the great astronomical
timekeeping tradition that stretches back to remote antiquity.Would
Copernicus thank you for vandalising his insights or Kepler or Huygens
yet that is exactly what has happened.
There only was a crisis when the real astronomical achievements lay
obscured behind the contrived notions of the late 17th century but now
that a clear distinction can be drawn and attached to 24 hour/360
degree value as an affirmation of Copernican orbital reasoning there
can be no excuse for ignoring what rightly belongs to all humanity.
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Date: 06 May 2007 07:22:12
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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On May 5, 9:07 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On May 5, 6:35 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I thought the enjoyable work by Huygens was only availible through
> > subscription in JSTOR however I found the work is availible for free
>
> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> > It is probably the first real instance since Copernicus discovered the
> > orbital and axial cycles that the great Western astronomical adaption
> > of the Equation of Time system to terrestrial longitudes is
> > explained as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation.
>
> > This is a shared astronomical heritage as I never stop reminding
> > readers here and there is nothing remotely difficult beyond the small
> > initial effort to grasp the difference between the total length of the
> > daily cycle from the human devised principle of the 24 hour cycle.To
> > promote the work of Huygens will certainly bypass any need to refer to
> > the rightful objections which correlate clocks with axial rotation
> > via celestial sphere geometry,indeed and astronomer can enjoy the
> > correct principles while keeping the Ra/Dec system as an observational
> > convenience,just so long as the motions of the Earth are not justified
> > using constellational geometry.
>
> Oriole, you can blither and blather as much as you want, as you have
> been doing for years, but there's one thing you can't change:
>
> The Earth rotates once on its axis in 23 hours 56 minutes and four
> seconds.
>
By now I assume that most people can enjoy the principles which keep
clocks in sync with axial rotation,for all practical purposes,at 24
hours/360 degrees or 15 degrees of geographical seperation per hour
and how Huygens provides the valuable texts which expand on the core
principle including how to center the Sun's position to noon.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
Why promote a false correlation of 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds
when the 24 hour/360 degree correlation is a secondary affirmation of
the Copernican resolution for retrogrades via the orbital motion of
the Earth,in other words,the 'sidereal' value is an explicit rejection
of heliocentricity or rather a sub-geocentric astrological
scaffolding.
> I know that's tough, but there is it. Your endless squeaking ain't
> gonna change a simple little fact that any freshman astronomy student
> knows.
>
There is no reason to be too critical about the indoctrination into
constellational geometry that college freshmen receive,I am more
interested in seeing a developed intelligence from a living person
rather than contending with counter-productive concepts from careless
people of the late 17th century.
Having provided the time lapse footage of Mr Tezel to demonstrate the
false approach to retrogrades and their resolution by Newton the
second part is showing via Huygens how Flamsteed's false 'proof' for
axial rotation is actually an explicit rejection of heliocentric
reasoning.
> Oh, I know...the length of the sidereal day is a GREAT BIG GOVERNMENT
> CONSPIRACY BY BAD OL' SCIENTISTS. Just like the Apollo Lunar landings,
> evolution, and the Big Bang, right?
>
The presence of the Longitude story and how clocks solved the issue
based on the 24 hour/360 degree correlation should be enough for
everybody,that a person would intentionally try to promote a 23 hour
56 minute 04 second correlation and use it to justify the motions of
the Earth is something else,that the value is institutionally promoted
and dominant is absolutely shocking.Again,the 24 hour/360 degree
correlation is derived from heliocentric principles and it is no
small matter to witness that great Western achievement vandalised for
the observational shortcut of the Ra/Dec system.
You cannot use the tactic of personal attack on a person who is using
a shared astronomical heritage and the original texts to show where a
counter-productive scaffolding emerged in the late 17th century via
the introduction of celestial sphere geometry as a way to explain the
motions of the Earth.
> Hell, even Ed Conrad (Brain Made of Coal) has a better schtick than
> you do, and LittleDanny Min is far more entertainin'!
>
> :-)
>
> Unk Rod- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The analemmatic fudge introduced in the late 17th century which forces
an variable axial tilt coponent into the Equation of Time principles
shortcircuits any possibility of making the neccessary modification to
Copernican reasoning in respect to climatology.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980116c.html
I would explain in a detailed way why the astronomical input into
global climate and hemispherical weather patterns (seasons) is so
vastly different from what the working principles are today but nobody
shows any responsibility on the most basic of all heliocentric
astronomical principles -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
The ability to isolate the orbital motion of the Earth to explain
the observed behavior of the other planets leaves axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle and from this basis the Equation of Time
system was overalid as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation.It is there in
the works of Copernicus and Kepler in how they make orbital
comparisons and it is there in Huygen's treatise on determining
terrestrial position using clocks allied with the Equation of Time
principles.
Such a widespread defence of an untenable celestial sphere system
based on the value of 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds most certainly
can be viewed as a holocaust of sorts for it wipes out the major
Wetern astronomical achievements and the careful and enjoyable work of
so many.I would prefer that it is an oversight that has yet to be
dealt with by responsible people.
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Date: 06 May 2007 16:42:44
From: John
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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oriel36 wrote: 140 lines of crap, as usual...
John.
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Date: 05 May 2007 13:07:54
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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On May 5, 6:35 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I thought the enjoyable work by Huygens was only availible through
> subscription in JSTOR however I found the work is availible for free
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> It is probably the first real instance since Copernicus discovered the
> orbital and axial cycles that the great Western astronomical adaption
> of the Equation of Time system to terrestrial longitudes is
> explained as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation.
>
> This is a shared astronomical heritage as I never stop reminding
> readers here and there is nothing remotely difficult beyond the small
> initial effort to grasp the difference between the total length of the
> daily cycle from the human devised principle of the 24 hour cycle.To
> promote the work of Huygens will certainly bypass any need to refer to
> the rightful objections which correlate clocks with axial rotation
> via celestial sphere geometry,indeed and astronomer can enjoy the
> correct principles while keeping the Ra/Dec system as an observational
> convenience,just so long as the motions of the Earth are not justified
> using constellational geometry.
Oriole, you can blither and blather as much as you want, as you have
been doing for years, but there's one thing you can't change:
The Earth rotates once on its axis in 23 hours 56 minutes and four
seconds.
I know that's tough, but there is it. Your endless squeaking ain't
gonna change a simple little fact that any freshman astronomy student
knows.
Oh, I know...the length of the sidereal day is a GREAT BIG GOVERNMENT
CONSPIRACY BY BAD OL' SCIENTISTS. Just like the Apollo Lunar landings,
evolution, and the Big Bang, right?
Hell, even Ed Conrad (Brain Made of Coal) has a better schtick than
you do, and LittleDanny Min is far more entertainin'!
:-)
Unk Rod
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Date: 08 May 2007 12:44:37
From: MA
Subject: Re: Huygen's instructions for astronomers
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Oriole, you fucking ass'ole!!
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