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Date: 01 Sep 2007 04:03:08
From: oriel36
Subject: Google posting
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On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
Any ideas ?.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 13:16:50
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: Google posting
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oriel36 wrote:
> Naughty,naughty John
>
> My original area of study was non periodic tiling and especially what
> is special with the angles of 36,72,108 and 144 degrees.It remains a
> private work (and a copyrighted work ) for almost 18 years now
If by private, you mean unpublished, then presumably I can defend
myself against copyright infringement charges on grounds of lack of
access.
John Savard
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 12:24:00
From:
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 6:22 am, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
>
> > Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
> > address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
> > thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
> > another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
>
> > Any ideas ?.
>
> They could besidereal.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 08:11:46
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 3, 2:54 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > You share the same astrological framework as that guy,you probably
> > don't know or care why it is a geometric and mathematical certainty
> > but then again it is rare that a mathematician has a feel for
> > astronomy,its working principles and its insights.
>
> I will admit to an understanding of mathematics.
>
> My web site reflects it; I speak of the controversial Cantorian
> transfinite on my site, as well as group theory and Penrose tilings.
>
Naughty,naughty John
My original area of study was non periodic tiling and especially what
is special with the angles of 36,72,108 and 144 degrees.It remains a
private work (and a copyrighted work ) for almost 18 years now and I
would be less inclined to discuss it even though it ended as a
connection between natural efficiency and stellar evolution via
external rings and a smaller intersecting smaller ring.Even though I
worked on the copyrighted the paper in 1990 I took a lot of
satisfaction from the images from 1994 -
http://www-nsdth.lbl.gov/~nkg/18_1_fig_2.jpg
You should know the difference between working with external rings and
and internal ring 4 years before it showed up and working with the
rings after they were observed.
It looks like a huge leap between quasi-periodic crystal growth and
stellar evolution in terms of natural effeciency and the geometry
behind it but boiled down to a few basics and a healthy love of
natural phenomena there really is no great leap.
I have nothing else to say on this matter
> I have also written a program for my old Commodore 64 to predict the
> places of the planets using Kepler's equation.
>
> And I also know what the letters s, p, d, and f stand for when used in
> that order, and, as a student, I have used the symbols of Clebsch and
> Gordan.
>
> On the other hand, variational methods were tough for me to get my
> head around, and my coursework never led into such rarefied realms as
> tensors and differential geometry. But simple things like calculus and
> differential equations I understand.
>
> Nor of geometry am I ignorant; on my web site, in the section on
> Archimedian solids, I give the construction of the pentagon; in the
> section on optics, I discuss the aplanatic points of the sphere; and I
> also explain why the stereographic projection is conformal all from
> the standpoint of the classical geometry of Euclid:
>
> http://www.quadibloc.com/math/acs02.htmhttp://www.quadibloc.com/science/opt0503.htmhttp://www.quadibloc.com/maps/maz0202.htm
>
> I know, therefore, that when Physics built her house upon Newton, she
> built it not upon sand.
>
> John Savardhttp://www.quadibloc.com/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 06:54:29
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: Google posting
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oriel36 wrote:
> You share the same astrological framework as that guy,you probably
> don't know or care why it is a geometric and mathematical certainty
> but then again it is rare that a mathematician has a feel for
> astronomy,its working principles and its insights.
I will admit to an understanding of mathematics.
My web site reflects it; I speak of the controversial Cantorian
transfinite on my site, as well as group theory and Penrose tilings.
I have also written a program for my old Commodore 64 to predict the
places of the planets using Kepler's equation.
And I also know what the letters s, p, d, and f stand for when used in
that order, and, as a student, I have used the symbols of Clebsch and
Gordan.
On the other hand, variational methods were tough for me to get my
head around, and my coursework never led into such rarefied realms as
tensors and differential geometry. But simple things like calculus and
differential equations I understand.
Nor of geometry am I ignorant; on my web site, in the section on
Archimedian solids, I give the construction of the pentagon; in the
section on optics, I discuss the aplanatic points of the sphere; and I
also explain why the stereographic projection is conformal all from
the standpoint of the classical geometry of Euclid:
http://www.quadibloc.com/math/acs02.htm
http://www.quadibloc.com/science/opt0503.htm
http://www.quadibloc.com/maps/maz0202.htm
I know, therefore, that when Physics built her house upon Newton, she
built it not upon sand.
John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 03:51:46
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 3, 6:46 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca > wrote:
> Carsten A. Arnholm wrote:
> > oriel36 wrote:
> > > Any ideas ?.
> .
> > They could be sidereal.
>
> .
> Now, now. To compare Mr. Kelleher with Daniel Joseph Min; or, for that
> matter, to compare _even_ Daniel Joseph Min with the person attacking
> this and other newsgroups; would be unfair.
>
> John Savard
You share the same astrological framework as that guy,you probably
don't know or care why it is a geometric and mathematical certainty
but then again it is rare that a mathematician has a feel for
astronomy,its working principles and its insights.
It is modern imaging that will drag astrologers with telescopes into
the realm of astronomy and you can be left with nothing but the shell
of astrology and the jargon of empiricism..
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:46:58
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: Google posting
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Carsten A. Arnholm wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > Any ideas ?.
.
> They could be sidereal.
.
Now, now. To compare Mr. Kelleher with Daniel Joseph Min; or, for that
matter, to compare _even_ Daniel Joseph Min with the person attacking
this and other newsgroups; would be unfair.
John Savard
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 03:28:16
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 8:58 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 12:27 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 1, 3:41 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 1, 8:22 am, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no> wrote:
>
> > > > oriel36 wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days lat=
er on
> > > > > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186da=
b3f
> > > > They could be sidereal.
>
> > > Yup. I'm a-guessin' it's the fault of those danged Catalog Astronomers
> > > and Astrophotographers. You know, "astrologers with magnification."
> > > The depth of their depravity knows no bounds.
>
> > > :-)
>
> > The problem is lack of depth and there is nothing I can do about that.
>
> Sorry Oreo:
>
> As a great man once said: "Sorry, that's not even _wrong_."
>
> :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
How do you propose to continue with a working model for axial and
orbital motion that does not exist as is contrary to heliocentric
reasoning -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.p=
ng
I thought enough about the participants in s.a.a. to come here and
show where much of the great astronomical insights remain temporarily
destroyed by people taking some awful shortcuts,the one above by
Flamsteed is bad enough until you see what Isaac did to Kepler based
on Flamsteed's fixed star framework -
"PH=C6NOMENON IV.
That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun.
http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm
I understand completely that the statement of Newton means nothing to
you or your magnification exercise but I assure you it destroys the 17
years Kepler spent coming to the conclusion -
"The proportion existing between the periodic times of any two planets
is exactly the sesquiplicate proportion of the mean distances of the
orbits, or as generally given,the squares of the periodic times are
proportional to the cubes of the mean distances." Kepler
That statement by Kepler may mean even less to you than Newton's and
that is fine but the 'periodic times' is based on orbital comparisons
between two planets and has nothing whatsoever to do with any
geocentric/heliocentric orbital equivalency as Isaac has it .I would
even go to the trouble of typing out the entire excerpt of Kepler were
it possible to know that I was not wasting my time by doing so.
If I thought for one moment that genuine heliocentric reasoning is not
exciting,productive and enjoyable using modern graphics and imaging I
would not pursue promoting it but the genuine article is exciting and
really good for everyone.Why stick with a 'clockwork' solar system
that is based on the calendar system when you can still keep your Ra/
Dec system as an observational convenience.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 12:58:22
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 12:27 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 3:41 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 8:22 am, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no> wrote:
>
> > > oriel36 wrote:
> > > > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > > > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
> > > They could be sidereal.
>
> > Yup. I'm a-guessin' it's the fault of those danged Catalog Astronomers
> > and Astrophotographers. You know, "astrologers with magnification."
> > The depth of their depravity knows no bounds.
>
> > :-)
>
> The problem is lack of depth and there is nothing I can do about that.
>
Sorry Oreo:
As a great man once said: "Sorry, that's not even _wrong_."
:-)
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:56:41
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 6:38 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> For quite some time now, a malicious individual has been posting large
> amounts of random nonsense to sci.crypt to interfere with its
> usefulness to people.
>
> About a month or so ago, he posted a series of postings to a large
> number of other groups stating that a "sporge flood" was imminent on
> those groups. These postings had a reply-to field for sci.crypt; this
> was simply another tactic so that indignant replies to those posts
> would show up *in* sci.crypt, interfering with its use, but, since
> they were real postings, they wouldn't be easy to filter out.
>
> Since then, several other newsgroups - sci.astro.amateur,
> rec.arts.books.tolkien, rec.arts.sf.written, among others - are also
> being attacked by him. As well, some of the forged posts are using
> text grabbed from other people's posts, and are being posted under the
> names of real posters to make filtering them out harder.
>
> John Savard
Thank you for the response.
As anyone who uses the Google newsreader knows,you have to log in to
post and the same account is used for Gmail.I would have understood
that my posting history profile would be seperate even if the nuisance
was using my e-mail address but apparently not.
I have little regard for the nuisance other than where it ties in with
Gmail
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:45:02
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 3:44 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 6:03 am, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
>
> > Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
> > address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
> > thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
> > another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
>
> > Any ideas ?.
>
> Seriously, Gerald, one aspect of the current attack on s.a.a. and
> other groups is that people's addresses and names are being spoofed. I
> suspect it's been done to many of us, who've "appeared" on numerous
> groups without our knowledge.
>
> Unk Rod
I thought of that before I sent the posting,the difference is that the
'attacks' orginate as single threads whereas the posting in that
thread is a continuation.I know little about the ins and outs of these
things hence the legitimate question insofar as Google accounts binds
usenet postings with Gmail.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:38:04
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: Google posting
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oriel36 wrote:
> On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
For quite some time now, a malicious individual has been posting large
amounts of random nonsense to sci.crypt to interfere with its
usefulness to people.
About a month or so ago, he posted a series of postings to a large
number of other groups stating that a "sporge flood" was imminent on
those groups. These postings had a reply-to field for sci.crypt; this
was simply another tactic so that indignant replies to those posts
would show up *in* sci.crypt, interfering with its use, but, since
they were real postings, they wouldn't be easy to filter out.
Since then, several other newsgroups - sci.astro.amateur,
rec.arts.books.tolkien, rec.arts.sf.written, among others - are also
being attacked by him. As well, some of the forged posts are using
text grabbed from other people's posts, and are being posted under the
names of real posters to make filtering them out harder.
John Savard
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:27:00
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 3:41 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 8:22 am, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no> wrote:
>
> > oriel36 wrote:
> > > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
> > They could be sidereal.
>
> Yup. I'm a-guessin' it's the fault of those danged Catalog Astronomers
> and Astrophotographers. You know, "astrologers with magnification."
> The depth of their depravity knows no bounds.
>
> :-)
The problem is lack of depth and there is nothing I can do about that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png
As for 'astrologers with magnification equipment',well I leave you
with the image that shows the depth of your understanding of the
natural noon cycle.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 07:44:07
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 6:03 am, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
>
> Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
> address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
> thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
> another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
>
> Any ideas ?.
Seriously, Gerald, one aspect of the current attack on s.a.a. and
other groups is that people's addresses and names are being spoofed. I
suspect it's been done to many of us, who've "appeared" on numerous
groups without our knowledge.
Unk Rod
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 07:41:50
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 8:22 am, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
> They could be sidereal.
Yup. I'm a-guessin' it's the fault of those danged Catalog Astronomers
and Astrophotographers. You know, "astrologers with magnification."
The depth of their depravity knows no bounds.
:-)
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 13:43:13
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Google posting
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On Sep 1, 2:22 pm, "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnh...@offline.no > wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> > 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
>
> > Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
> > address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
> > thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
> > another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
>
> > Any ideas ?.
>
> They could be sidereal.
I do mind that Gmail is attached to the same account as Google groups
and sending an unauthorised posting to sci.crypt and
sci.astro,amateur simultaneously on 12th Aug is no small matter for
anyone considering that,unlike many of you,I take my posting seriously
as I do my private e-mail.
I did notice it a few weeks ago when I looked up the thread but with
the new attack threatening to send posts to sci.crypt I thought a few
participants who might care for the forum may be interested,know
something that prevents this disruptive nonsense or scare away the
nuisances who do these things . -
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/980cb73daf531b52
I have no more to say on the matter.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 15:22:27
From: Carsten A. Arnholm
Subject: Re: Google posting
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oriel36 wrote:
> On Aug 9th I answered the post to some Watson guy and 3 days later on
> 12th Aug another one shows up on sci.crypt -
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/f1b5034b186dab3f
>
> Checking my profile on the second response still gives my e-mail
> address and posting history correctly and that is a puzzle,It is one
> thing to respond to a post and have it sent to sci.crypt,it is quite
> another to have one sent indepedently 3 days later.
>
> Any ideas ?.
They could be sidereal.
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