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Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:02:16
From: rat ~( );>
Subject: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
rat
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 12:32:03
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 26, 8:10 pm, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 26, 3:10 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 25, 10:02 pm, "rat ~( );>" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
> > > positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
> > > ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
> > > have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
>
> > > Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
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> > > rat
> > > ~( );>
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> > And damned proud of it. ;-)
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> > Actually, more of an SCT PROLETARIAN!
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> > :-)
>
> It is amazing how a harmless bunch of numbskulls have done so much
> damage.I mean if any of you had intelligence you could keep your Ra/
> Dec system as long as you knew it is calendrically based but
> unfortunately you lot believe it represents the actual axial and
> orbital cycles of the Earth.
>
> Looks to me like astrologers with magnification equipment convincing
> themselves and everybody else that they are 'astronomers' while
> having no appreciation for the cycles of the Earth.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Being too dull to appreciate the cycles of the Earth and how it makes
existence possible,no wonder you are creatures of the night.
The magnificence of astronomy is that it encompasses so many cycles
with such a great sense of the raw dynamics behind it all.The men of
astronomy are those of great faith,they base their studies on the
fountain of existence and the great things men do -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxqylxfYyQM
Astronomy was never meant to remain in the hands of those who do not
appreciate the natural cycles which make existence and appreciation of
it possible yet the discipine has withered into a dull youth
detsroying,soul destroying magnification exercise.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 02:55:10
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 26, 10:24 pm, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
> Gee, it's really GREAT having so many of the old gang stopping in! It
> even feels "right" somehow with Gerald grumbling in the background... :)
> Marty
The only matter I am disapoointed with is that really good kids will
never learn about the greatest astronomical achievements known,
especially how the 24 hour day was created out of the unequal noon
cycles and how it eventually was turned into the huge working
principles which keep clocks in sync with the axial cycle where 4
minutes of clock time correspond to 1 degree of geographiocal
seperation.
Who will promote the great astronomical works,you and the other dull
astrologers with telescopes ?.
Have none of you the common sense to recognise the vast peroductive
avenues open when the awful error of Flamsteed is recognised and dealt
with.these productive avenues are not just astronomical but mesh with
climatological and geological disciplines.
The 'old gang' thought they were doing themselves a favor by staying
out of the discussions so now they return to a forum as confirmed
'astrologers with telescopes' rather than the 'astronomers they
thought they were.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 15:00:31
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 26, 4:24 pm, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
> Gee, it's really GREAT having so many of the old gang stopping in! It
> even feels "right" somehow with Gerald grumbling in the background... :)
> Marty
Now comradery is great and all, but I don't think we have to go THAT
far! :-)
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 15:19:49
From: Jan Owen
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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"RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1188165631.518786.128490@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 26, 4:24 pm, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
>> Gee, it's really GREAT having so many of the old gang stopping in! It
>> even feels "right" somehow with Gerald grumbling in the background... :)
>> Marty
>
> Now comradery is great and all, but I don't think we have to go THAT
> far! :-)
>
Hard to say...
Where Gerald's concerned, certainly, but...
Some virgin sacrifices might be explainable, given Marty's status...
{:^)
--
Jan Owen
To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 03:30:19
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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Jan Owen wrote:
> "RMOLLISE" <rmollise@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1188165631.518786.128490@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 26, 4:24 pm, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
>>> Gee, it's really GREAT having so many of the old gang stopping in! It
>>> even feels "right" somehow with Gerald grumbling in the background... :)
>>> Marty
>> Now comradery is great and all, but I don't think we have to go THAT
>> far! :-)
>>
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> Hard to say...
>
> Where Gerald's concerned, certainly, but...
>
> Some virgin sacrifices might be explainable, given Marty's status...
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> {:^)
>
Hey ! we could fix him up with Nancy I'm certain she's a virgin :)
Bill
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 16:24:34
From: Marty
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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Gee, it's really GREAT having so many of the old gang stopping in! It
even feels "right" somehow with Gerald grumbling in the background... :)
Marty
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 12:10:20
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 26, 3:10 pm, RMOLLISE <rmoll...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 25, 10:02 pm, "rat ~( );>" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
> > positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
> > ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
> > have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
>
> > Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
>
> > rat
> > ~( );>
>
> And damned proud of it. ;-)
>
> Actually, more of an SCT PROLETARIAN!
>
> :-)
It is amazing how a harmless bunch of numbskulls have done so much
damage.I mean if any of you had intelligence you could keep your Ra/
Dec system as long as you knew it is calendrically based but
unfortunately you lot believe it represents the actual axial and
orbital cycles of the Earth.
Looks to me like astrologers with magnification equipment convincing
themselves and everybody else that they are 'astronomers' while
having no appreciation for the cycles of the Earth.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 07:11:43
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 25, 11:14 pm, "rat ~( ); >" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 9:33?pm, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
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> > -- SCTs
> > -- refractors
> > -- Dobs
>
> > etc. and each camp believes its choice is best. Disparaging the other
> > camps achieves nothing useful in the niche amateur astronomy hobby<<snip>>
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. I don't know why he thinks the only good
> telescopes are "CATS."
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> It's like he thinks my refractors are something to poop on.
>
> rat
> ~( );>
There you go thinkin' again, Rat...you ain't equipped for it. :-)
Actually, I own and regularly use a pair of APOs, and I NEVER poop on
'em.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 07:10:04
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 25, 10:02 pm, "rat ~( ); >" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
> positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
> ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
> have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
>
> Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
>
> rat
> ~( );>
And damned proud of it. ;-)
Actually, more of an SCT PROLETARIAN!
:-)
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 08:12:24
From: RMOLLISE
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 26, 9:48 am, mov...@webtv.net (Marty) wrote:
> Rod was saying
>
> >Actually, more of an SCT
> > PROLETARIAN!
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> In the colder months, with my old rabbit fur trooper hat, I've been
> accused of being an SCT BOLSHEVIK.
> Marty
Power to the People, Right ON! :-)
Unk Rod
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 09:48:12
From: Marty
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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Rod was saying
>Actually, more of an SCT
> PROLETARIAN!
In the colder months, with my old rabbit fur trooper hat, I've been
accused of being an SCT BOLSHEVIK.
Marty
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 07:24:00
From: Margo Schulter
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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"rat ~( ); >" <ratboy99@aol.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
> positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
> ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
> have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
Hi, there, Rat, and I'd agree as a newer participant here that the
barrage was very surrealistic, and did have its humorous moments, as
well as its opportunities to affirm and further build our community
here.
Sometimes Usenet does seem to fit a quote attributed to Admiral Blake
of England sometime around the early 1650's I guess, the epoch of
Hodierna's deep sky discoveries -- and maybe also worthy of his poetic
namesake William Blake in the era of the Herschels: "This is the island
of Great Bedlam, so let's all be mad together."
> Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
>
Could it be a bit of "reverse psychology" to incite us Dob users to
reaffirm our self-esteem? Anyway, I think that SCT's are neat -- a bit
like a very pleasant and sonorous instrument curiously called a bass
"racket" (actually quite audible but not riotous by any means) that
is physically very compact, but has in effect a most impressive "focal
length." It's used for Renaissance European music, and around 20 years
ago, shortly after the apparition of Comet Halley, I knew some people in
an ensemble that included at least one, and very harmoniously.
Thus the SCT has auspicious associations for me, and I know that my
not-quite-Nagler 30mm and 20mm EP's might actually fare rather better
with an SCT at f/10 or f/12 than with my 20cm Dob at f/6 -- around the
low end of the recommended range.
By the way, good ole' Unk Rod wrote a review on an Anacortes 30mm
BirdsEye EP that I'd guess is basically an earlier version my Garrett
Optical variation, and tested it with Newtonians (including a 12" f/6
Dob) as well as his beloved SCT, evidently enjoying the process -- so
I'd say he's a friend of those of us in the "light bucket brigade" as
well.
>
> rat
> ~( );>
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Best,
Margo
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:14:51
From: rat ~( );>
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 25, 9:33?pm, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com > wrote:
> -- SCTs
> -- refractors
> -- Dobs
>
> etc. and each camp believes its choice is best. Disparaging the other
> camps achieves nothing useful in the niche amateur astronomy hobby<<snip>>
Yeah, that's what I meant. I don't know why he thinks the only good
telescopes are "CATS."
It's like he thinks my refractors are something to poop on.
rat
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:11:35
From: rat ~( );>
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 25, 9:33?pm, "t...@thadlabs.com" <t...@thadlabs.com > wrote:
> On Aug 25, 8:02 pm, "rat ~( );>" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
> Disparaging the other
> camps achieves nothing useful in the niche amateur astronomy hobby
> (unless we're disparaging and dissing Tasco and Bushnell :-)
Bushnell now has an Elite line of spotting scopes, binoculars and
rifle scopes that are supposedly on the cutting edge of technology. I
bought a 2.5-10x40 rifle scope that is Nitrogen purged, has Rain Guard
anti fog coating, a glow in the dark reticle and a limited lfetime
warranty that I have been thusfar very impressed with. Their new
spotting scopes and binoculars appear to be top notch as well. Perhaps
someday their effort will filter down to the relatively small by
comparison amateur astronomy market and we can all benefit from their
efforts.
rat
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:33:39
From: thad@thadlabs.com
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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On Aug 25, 8:02 pm, "rat ~( ); >" <ratbo...@aol.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to say that I am pleased and impressed with the general
> positive demeanor of the good folks here in the face of this
> ridiculous (and humorous) barrage of inane blather. You all do really
> have a great sense of humor, thanks for that.
>
> Well, except maybe for Rod, he _is_ a bit of an SCT snob...
Oh, I wouldn't be so harsh. An en passant remark in a Yahoo group
by another person recently was:
" ... but the whole point of a refractor is to add elegance to the
stubby SCT,
" and adjustable plumbing clamps won't do that...
Many apparently feel the same way. :-)
Face it, there will always be different camps for:
-- SCTs
-- refractors
-- Dobs
etc. and each camp believes its choice is best. Disparaging the other
camps achieves nothing useful in the niche amateur astronomy hobby
(unless we're disparaging and dissing Tasco and Bushnell :-)
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 07:42:50
From: Margo Schulter
Subject: Re: Good work Men (and ladies) of SAA
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thad@thadlabs.com <thad@thadlabs.com > wrote:
> Face it, there will always be different camps for:
>
> -- SCTs
> -- refractors
> -- Dobs
>
> etc. and each camp believes its choice is best. Disparaging the other
> camps achieves nothing useful in the niche amateur astronomy hobby
> (unless we're disparaging and dissing Tasco and Bushnell :-)
To this I might add that it's quite possible to be in more than one camp,
as I might be to a degree as a Dob owner if my 7X50 binoculars count as
a refractor (or possibly two?).
Also, I can view my choice as best for me, but not necessarily for someone
else -- and also recognize the real disadvantages with which I put up as
a consequence of that choice.
Thus while enjoying my 20cm Dob in its apartment observatory through an
open window, I might sometimes wish that it were a refractor -- because
then, as with the binoculars, I could observe sitting with my eyes below
the level of the window sill, and getting shielding from the wall of the
room against light trespass. Putting an Orion Lights Out Canopy over my
head helps -- but having my eyes below that window would be nice!
Most appreciatively,
Margo Schulter
mschulter@calweb.com
Lat. 38.566 Long. -121.430
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