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Date: 03 Jun 2007 08:42:51
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Subject: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
interesting consequences.
http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 13:55:28
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
> interesting consequences.
That's utter nonsense. Like science is some sort of popularity contest!
Or something that can only done by those who have the favor of the King.
What Arp lost was the respect of his peers and deservedly so.
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
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To reply take out your eye
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:31:33
From: klm
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
> > Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
> > Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
> > for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
> > establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
> > and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
> > constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
> > interesting consequences.
>
> That's utter nonsense. Like science is some sort of popularity contest!
> Or something that can only done by those who have the favor of the King.
>
> What Arp lost was the respect of his peers and deservedly so.
>
> --
> Greg Crinklaw
> Astronomical Software Developer
> Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
>
> SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
> Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
> Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
>
> To reply take out your eye
Case closed. Ker plop (thirteenth icon from the left maldum fornax).
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 16:30:36
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
> interesting consequences.
>
> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
>
Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi.
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 14:01:19
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Sam Wormley wrote:
> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
>> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
>> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
>> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
>> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
>> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
>> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
>> interesting consequences.
>>
>> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
>
> Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi.
I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
contributions to physics. :-)
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
To reply take out your eye
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 20:57:55
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:01:19 -0600, Greg Crinklaw
<theskyhoundyoureye@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
>contributions to physics. :-)
All of them have made important contributions to physics and cosmology.
Some, like Gold, remained highly respected in spite of having some
beliefs that were out of the mainstream (in Gold's case, only a few).
Arp, however, has lost most of the respect he once had because of his
refusal to give up on ideas that have been very solidly refuted, and
because virtually all his work is centered on just those ideas.
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 16:10:08
From: Brian Tung
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> All of them have made important contributions to physics and cosmology.
> Some, like Gold, remained highly respected in spite of having some
> beliefs that were out of the mainstream (in Gold's case, only a few).
> Arp, however, has lost most of the respect he once had because of his
> refusal to give up on ideas that have been very solidly refuted, and
> because virtually all his work is centered on just those ideas.
Also, I think his statistical groundwork is suspect.
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My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.html
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 20:32:13
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
>>> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
>>> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
>>> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
>>> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
>>> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
>>> interesting consequences.
>>>
>>> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
>>
>> Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi.
>
> I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
> contributions to physics. :-)
>
Arp has don a lot of excellent work too!
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 19:01:03
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Sam Wormley wrote:
> Greg Crinklaw wrote:
>> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
>>>> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
>>>> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
>>>> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
>>>> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
>>>> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
>>>> interesting consequences.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
>>>
>>> Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi.
>>
>> I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
>> contributions to physics. :-)
>>
>
> Arp has don a lot of excellent work too!
Not anywhere in the same league as Bondi.
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
To reply take out your eye
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:29:31
From: klm
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> >> Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
> >>>> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
> >>>> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
> >>>> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
> >>>> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
> >>>> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
> >>>> interesting consequences.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
> >>>
> >>> Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi.
> >>
> >> I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
> >> contributions to physics. :-)
> >>
> >
> > Arp has don a lot of excellent work too!
>
> Not anywhere in the same league as Bondi.
>
> --
> Greg Crinklaw
> Astronomical Software Developer
> Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
>
> SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
> Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
> Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html
>
> To reply take out your eye
Not in the same league as you, you mean!
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 02:05:03
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Dr. Halton Arp interviewed at Electric Politics
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Greg Crinklaw wrote:
>>> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>> georgekenney@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Posted last Friday, an interview with Dr. Halton Arp at Electric
>>>>> Politics. Dr. Arp, now at the Max Planck Institut fur Astrophysik, was
>>>>> for many years at the pinnacle of the American scientific
>>>>> establishment but fell out of favor over his observations of red-shift
>>>>> and his ideas about what they mean for cosmology. No Big Bang, a
>>>>> constantly renewing universe, faster than light travel, and many other
>>>>> interesting consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2007/06/a_stellar_heresy.html
>>>>
>>>> Arp is in the same class as Fred Hoyle, Thomas Gold and Hermann
>>>> Bondi.
>>>
>>> I don't know about that... Bondi apparently made some important
>>> contributions to physics. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Arp has don a lot of excellent work too!
>
> Not anywhere in the same league as Bondi.
>
I agree.
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