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Date: 09 May 2007 03:37:39
From: oriel36
Subject: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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" Draw a Meridian line upon a floor (the manner of doing which is
sufficiently known; and note, that the utmost exactness herein is not
necessary:) and then hang two plummets, each by a small thred or wire,
directly over the said Meridian, at the distance of some 2. feet or
more one from the other, as the smalness of the thred will admit. When
the middle of the Sun (the Eye being placed so, as to bring both the
threds into one line) appears to be in the same line exactly (for the
better and more secure discerning whereof, you must be furnish't with
a glass of a dark colour, or somewhat blackt with the smoak of a
Candle,) you are then immediately to set the Watch, not precisely to
the hour of 12. but by so much less, as is the Aequation of the day by
the Table"
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
Monday elapses into Tuesday and then elapses into Wednesday by this
means as the Equation of Time correction provides not just the
standard pace of the daily cycle as 24 hours/86 400 seconds but also
keeps these cycles turning constantly and fixed to noon.It was these
two features which Huygens makes use of as the average 24 hour day was
transfered to 'constant 'axial cycle thereby allowing the great
correlation that keeps clocks and axial rotation in sync and allow a
geographic seperation of 4 minutes clock time for each degree of
geographical seperation.
The dismay of seeing the dominance of the astrological justification*
as opposed to the gorgeous views which Huygens represents hardly
compensates from the fact that everybody today uses the principles
which were devised by pre-Copernican and heliocentric astronomers,the
former creating the equable 24 hour day and the latter exploiting the
existing Equation of Time system to keep clocks and axial rotation in
sync at 15 degrees per hour.
Why would individuals choose to go with a creationist-type version of
the axial cycle dictated by the human devised principles of the 24
hour day and clocks. in the form, of the justification of the 23 hour
56 minute 04 second value by using the axial and orbital motions of
the Earth ?.
Surely there is one successful person out there with a sense that a
serious,serious situation exists .All are astronomers by virtue that
the axial and orbital cycles make existence possible and astronomy has
rightly been held in the highest regard since humans started to take
notice of and mark off these cycles.That this present generation would
reject what has been known for millenia and not recognise the natural
inequality in the daily cycle is bewildering and the 'sidereal'
justification forces a location on Earth to rotate to the Sun in 24
hours exactly -
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
What can I say !,what have the great astronomers done to deserve
having their works destroyed,not just Huygens,Copernicus,Kepler but
also the great astronomical timekeepers who devised the systems which
everybody uses today ?.
Where does the neccessary responsibility come from or the actual
authority that exists to recognise that the dominance of a cartoon
framework for the Earth's motions is incredibly counter-productive for
climatological studies.Perhaps I have tried too hard but what choice
is there when the only thing that counts for individuals here is theri
optics and magnification exercise.
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Date: 12 May 2007 13:41:12
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 10, 8:25 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:35 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <m...@SpamBucket.com>
> wrote:
>
> >oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
>
> Well, one out of three...
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
The presence of the treatise by Huygens explaining how clocks keep in
sync with the axial cycle via the Equation of Time correction is
probably the only one that counts and how any of you can continue
using the sidereal justification in future will be more remarkable
than the ability to ignore the correct principles and the correct
correlation by the great astronomer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
The 24 hour/360 degree correlation which splits down into 15 degrees/
1 hour and 4 minutes/1 degree or smaller divisions is the most
practical development of the original heliocentric reasoning and I am
rightly proud of being the first to explain how the average 24 hour
day transfers to 'constant' axial rotation as a principle,at least in
how clocks keep in sync with the axial cycle.With the right
people,with the right graphics and images and no agenda to
protect,the great restoration of astronomy will begin and remove those
celestial sphere elements which have temporarily destroyed humanity's
astronomical heritage.
The greatest pain is always that you could change things but lose the
power to and I well know that there are people here capable of working
with the treatise of Huygens and the accurate version of the average
24 hour day to the axial cycle.Others just do not have the ability and
they are blameless and can continue with their optics exercise.That is
that.
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Date: 10 May 2007 13:01:37
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 10, 8:28 pm, Anthony Ayiomamitis <anth...@perseus.no2spam.gr >
wrote:
> Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:35 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <m...@SpamBucket.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
>
> > Well, one out of three...
>
> Well, ALMOST one out of three ...
>
> Anthony.
>
>
>
>
>
> > _________________________________________________
>
> > Chris L Peterson
> > Cloudbait Observatory
> >http://www.cloudbait.com- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
You have a Caltech address and yet show no responsibility towards the
great astronomer Huygens and his treatise on the determination of the
24 hour day via natural noon and its application to terrestrial
longitudes as a correlation that most people on the planet take for
granted -15 degrees per hour making exactly 24 hours through 360
degrees.
There never is an axial tilt component in the Equation of Time,no
analemma and none of the junk brought in by Flamsteed to create his
celestial sphere/ Ra/Dec system * -
'How by Observing the Rising and Setting of the Sun, and the Time by
the Watches, the Longitude at Sea may be found.'
" This way doth neither require the Knowledge of the Hight of the
Pole, nor of the Declination of the Sun, nor the Use of any
Astronomical Instruments: Neither can the Refraction of the Sun or
Stars cause any considerable Error, the refraction of the Morning
differing but little or nothing from that of the Evening of one and
the same day, especially at Sea. Thus then you are to proceed;"
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
It is unimaginable that everybody here in this forum will use the
core 24 hour day system created by brilliant men and yet find a way
to disregard it, how it is derived and how it was extended to
determination of geographical location once axial rotation was
discovered by Copernicus to cause the daily cycle.
Determining an alternative value such as 23 hours 56 minutes 04
seconds through 380 degrees is tantamount to rejecting Copernican
heliocentric reasoning and this is where it hurts most,the fact that
Caltech,Nasa,the encyclopedias and most of that community recognise
only the false correlation is disappointing.There have been signs that
the longitude story and the history of Harrison's efforts to build
accurate clocks on the principles supplied by Huygens would build
enough head of steam to open up a shocking situation but so far it has
not happened.
You make judgements on me but I promote a shared astronomical heritage
and using images and texts from the great astronomers themselves.You
can slink back to your institutions and hope you will be gone before
humanity rediscovers its lost heritage or you can work towards
restoring it by using the same texts I read and images I use .
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_ascension
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Date: 10 May 2007 02:52:18
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 9, 6:34 pm, AustinMN <tacooper...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On May 9, 11:35 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The difference between the correct value of 24 hours/360 degrees and
> > the false value of 23 hours 56 minutes span most of Western
> > civilisation ,from astronomers to inventors,from the timekeeping
> > systems of calendars to terrestrial longitude determination,from
> > Ptolemaic reasoning to the dramatic heliocentric insights and
> > refinements yet most of these are lost to humanity through
> > indoctrination of a few souls emersed in a magnification exercise.
>
> Clearly, you do not believe there is one additional rotation of the
> earth each year as a result of the Earth's revolving around the sun.
> You are wrong.
>
> One day is 24 hours. One rotation is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4
> seconds (and some fraction of a second). All of your assertions to
> the contrary won't change that.
>
I have no assertions to make,I have the scaffolding of the great
astronomical tradition behind me -
'To reduce Watches to the right measure of dayes, or to know how much
they goe too fast or too slow in 24. hours.'
" Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12.
Signes, or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5
hours 49 min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon
to noon, are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd
in Astronomy. Now between the longest and the shortest of those days,
a day may be taken of such a length, as 365 such days, 5. hours &c.
(the same numbers as before) make up, or are equall to that
revolution: And this is call'd the Equal or Mean day, according to
which the Watches are to be set; and therefore the Hour or Minute
shew'd by the Watches, though they be perfectly Iust and equal, must
needs differ almost continually from those that are shew'd by the Sun,
or are reckon'd according to its Motion. But this Difference is
regular, and is otherwise call'd the Aequation, and here you have a
Table, that shows it" Huygens
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
Looking at your sidereal justification which has the Sun return to
noon every 24 hours in order to justify the return of a star in 23
hours 56 minutes 04 seconds is hardly the reasoning of intelligent
people -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
.
To bear the responsibility for the Western astronomical tradition,
insofar as the dominant contemporary view is not heliocentric and does
not employ heliocentric reasoning , would amount to an intolerable
pressure were it not that I never view it as a personal opinion but
rather as a shared astronomical heritage with contemporary imaging and
the relevent texts as a guide to what is correct and what is not.As
Huygen's notes "all that are vers't in astronomy" know that the total
cycle from noon to noon varies yet contemporaries find themselves with
a conception where the noon cycle is an equable 24 hours in order to
justify why a star returns in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds as per
the Wiki article -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
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Date: 10 May 2007 02:22:32
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 10, 3:21 am, Greg Crinklaw <theskyhoundyour...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> M wrote:
> > I can just imagine a star travelling alien reading Oriels stuff............
>
> I can just imagine a psychiatrist reading this...
>
> And thinking: "I can't believe supposedly normal people go on and on,
> getting themselves all tied up in knots over the comments of this
> obviously mental ill person. If nothing else, they should realize that
> doing so may be harmful. Don't they realize that mental illness is
> serious? Do they think it's something that only exists in the movies?
> Can they not tell the difference between mental illness and someone who
> is merely stupid?" Followed no doubt by a heavy sigh.
>
> Don't you people read the news? A seriously mentally ill person is
> nothing to be toying with! Let him be.
I never have to bother with judgements or insults directed towards
me,the texts of Copernicus,Kepler,Huygens and Harrison are the driving
force which demolishes the unsatisfactory and counter-productive late
17th century conceptions based on justifying the Earth's motions
through celestial sphere geometry allied with clocks ..
I have no insult to return save that you insult yourselves and even
though that institutional indoctrination * into a concept which
forces the 23 hour 56 minute 04 second value into a direct correlation
with 360 degrees and subsequently axial rotation as a cycle was not
your fault,everybody has intelligence to work out how the value is 24
hour/360 degrees..
* http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
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Date: 10 May 2007 11:32:27
From: John
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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Wouldn't it be better if we all just kill-filed this pathetic poster.
John.
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:29:35
From: Mij Adyaw
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
"John" <John@NoSpam.net > wrote in message
news:4642f4a2$0$19261$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Wouldn't it be better if we all just kill-filed this pathetic poster.
>
> John.
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Date: 10 May 2007 19:25:40
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:35 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@SpamBucket.com >
wrote:
>oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
Well, one out of three...
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 10 May 2007 22:28:00
From: Anthony Ayiomamitis
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:35 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@SpamBucket.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
>
>
> Well, one out of three...
Well, ALMOST one out of three ...
Anthony.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 10 May 2007 16:57:12
From: John
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> oriel36 posts are very interesting, informative, and highly entertaining.
>
> "John" <John@NoSpam.net> wrote in message
> news:4642f4a2$0$19261$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Wouldn't it be better if we all just kill-filed this pathetic poster.
>>
>> John.
>
>
OK, that's two posters I have to kill-file...
John.
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Date: 09 May 2007 10:34:04
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 9, 11:35 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com > wrote:
> The difference between the correct value of 24 hours/360 degrees and
> the false value of 23 hours 56 minutes span most of Western
> civilisation ,from astronomers to inventors,from the timekeeping
> systems of calendars to terrestrial longitude determination,from
> Ptolemaic reasoning to the dramatic heliocentric insights and
> refinements yet most of these are lost to humanity through
> indoctrination of a few souls emersed in a magnification exercise.
Clearly, you do not believe there is one additional rotation of the
earth each year as a result of the Earth's revolving around the sun.
You are wrong.
One day is 24 hours. One rotation is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4
seconds (and some fraction of a second). All of your assertions to
the contrary won't change that.
oriel, you need help. You are saying the same things over and over,
but failing to see that repeating things again and again does not make
them true. I am not trying to make fun of you, I am not trying to cut
you down (although I admit that sometimes I do that), but when people
far more knowledgeable than you repeatedly tell you that you are
wrong, and you never, ever contribute in any meaningful way, but
continue to attack concepts that have been proven - proven, not just
proposed - in many ways, it tends to show that you are simply
obsessed. Even if you were correct - which you are not - being so
stuck on a single point leads to only one conclusion - obsession. You
need help. I hope you get it.
Austin
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Date: 09 May 2007 09:35:56
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 9, 5:03 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:44:52 GMT, "M" <s...@spamme.com> wrote:
> >I think this sidereal time keeping is rather insular and
> >parochial..........surely we should move towards GALACTIC
> >timekeeping........like yahrens, sectars, quatrons, sectons, cycles,
> >centars, centons and microns.........makes just as much sense as Oriels
> >recycled crap...........
>
> It is clearly Gerald's intent that the entire Universe should be
> following our "24-hour rotational time", not that we adapt to the
> Universe.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
The work of Huygen in demonstrating how the 24 hour day is extracted
from observation of natural noon and from that point of departure how
to apply the concept of the 24 hour day to terrestrial longitudes
where 4 minutes clock time represent 1 degree of geographical
seperation.No astronomer ever is required to determine that axial
rotation is constant through that 24 hour/360 degree correlation,the
15 degree per hour correlation is simply the transfer of 'average' 24
hour day to 'constant' axial rotational cycle as the heliocentric
adaption of the Equation of Time system.
As axial rotation as a cycle emerges as a direct result of the
Copernican resolution for the observed behavior of the other planets
through the Earth's orbital motion,there is no way that a person
affirming the alternative 23 hour 56 minute 04 second value is an
astronomer much less a heliocentric astronomer.
The difference between the correct value of 24 hours/360 degrees and
the false value of 23 hours 56 minutes span most of Western
civilisation ,from astronomers to inventors,from the timekeeping
systems of calendars to terrestrial longitude determination,from
Ptolemaic reasoning to the dramatic heliocentric insights and
refinements yet most of these are lost to humanity through
indoctrination of a few souls emersed in a magnification exercise.
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Date: 09 May 2007 17:52:58
From: M
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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I can just imagine a star travelling alien reading Oriels stuff............
"Aw look.......this primitive life force Oriel thinks that time is based on
his insignifcant little blue green planet's orbit where orbital seconds are
never identical.......atleast the rest of his kind have realised that time
is all a relative measure. They base it on something scientific and
galactically standard like the frequency of transition of certain atoms like
Cesium 133 and Rubidium........"
--
M
------
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security
will deserve neither and lose both."
[Benjamin Franklin]
"War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."
[Erasmus]
"A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
[Thucydides]
"oriel36" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1178728556.835160.135750@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 5:03 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:44:52 GMT, "M" <s...@spamme.com> wrote:
>> >I think this sidereal time keeping is rather insular and
>> >parochial..........surely we should move towards GALACTIC
>> >timekeeping........like yahrens, sectars, quatrons, sectons, cycles,
>> >centars, centons and microns.........makes just as much sense as Oriels
>> >recycled crap...........
>>
>> It is clearly Gerald's intent that the entire Universe should be
>> following our "24-hour rotational time", not that we adapt to the
>> Universe.
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
>
> The work of Huygen in demonstrating how the 24 hour day is extracted
> from observation of natural noon and from that point of departure how
> to apply the concept of the 24 hour day to terrestrial longitudes
> where 4 minutes clock time represent 1 degree of geographical
> seperation.No astronomer ever is required to determine that axial
> rotation is constant through that 24 hour/360 degree correlation,the
> 15 degree per hour correlation is simply the transfer of 'average' 24
> hour day to 'constant' axial rotational cycle as the heliocentric
> adaption of the Equation of Time system.
>
> As axial rotation as a cycle emerges as a direct result of the
> Copernican resolution for the observed behavior of the other planets
> through the Earth's orbital motion,there is no way that a person
> affirming the alternative 23 hour 56 minute 04 second value is an
> astronomer much less a heliocentric astronomer.
>
> The difference between the correct value of 24 hours/360 degrees and
> the false value of 23 hours 56 minutes span most of Western
> civilisation ,from astronomers to inventors,from the timekeeping
> systems of calendars to terrestrial longitude determination,from
> Ptolemaic reasoning to the dramatic heliocentric insights and
> refinements yet most of these are lost to humanity through
> indoctrination of a few souls emersed in a magnification exercise.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 09 May 2007 20:21:20
From: Greg Crinklaw
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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M wrote:
> I can just imagine a star travelling alien reading Oriels stuff............
I can just imagine a psychiatrist reading this...
And thinking: "I can't believe supposedly normal people go on and on,
getting themselves all tied up in knots over the comments of this
obviously mental ill person. If nothing else, they should realize that
doing so may be harmful. Don't they realize that mental illness is
serious? Do they think it's something that only exists in the movies?
Can they not tell the difference between mental illness and someone who
is merely stupid?" Followed no doubt by a heavy sigh.
Don't you people read the news? A seriously mentally ill person is
nothing to be toying with! Let him be.
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Date: 09 May 2007 09:13:22
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 9, 3:16 pm, AustinMN <tacooper...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On May 9, 5:37 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Surely there is one successful person out there with a sense that a
> > serious,serious situation exists.
>
> No, there is not. Not even you.
>
> Austin
All the great heroes of our race are involved in that simple
correlation where clocks keep in sync with axial rotation at 15
degrees per hour precisely ,not just the great pre-Heliocentric
astronomers who created the average 24 hour day,Copernicus who
isolated the Earth's orbital and axial rotations ,heliocentric
timekeepers such as Huyhgens and Frisius who developed the
heliocentric adaption of the Equation of Time principles but also
great inventors like Harrison who developed accurate clocks based on
the principles supplied by Huygens -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
On the other side are the creationist-type personalities,the anti-
heroes of our race,opportunists who can only destroy what they cannot
have through industry or diligence yet can comfortably indoctrinate
the rest of humanity into the mindnumbingly silly 23 hour 56 minute 04
second justification for the Earth's axial rotation through 360
degrees.
There would once have been a tendency to ask why people are doing
this,why are people intentionally proposing ideas that go against not
just astronomical principles but the very core of physical existence
insofar as the daily and annual cycles are supplied by the motions of
the Earth.There never was a need to prove axial rotation was constant
much less use the human devised cycle of the 24 hour day to do it and
all that remains is an easy to understand and pragmatic device which
keeps clocks in sync with the daily cycle because brilliant men/
astronomers realised how it could be done.
You presence is not offensive, what is heartbreaking is the absence of
genuine people who have enough sense to recognise that only one
principle based on a 24 hour/360 degrees is allowed to stand insofar
as it represents a combination of different astronomical strands that
begin in the pre-heliocentric era.Until this is rectified there can be
no such thing as astronomers or astronomy.
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Date: 09 May 2007 15:44:52
From: M
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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I think this sidereal time keeping is rather insular and
parochial..........surely we should move towards GALACTIC
timekeeping........like yahrens, sectars, quatrons, sectons, cycles,
centars, centons and microns.........makes just as much sense as Oriels
recycled crap...........
--
M
------
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security
will deserve neither and lose both."
[Benjamin Franklin]
"War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."
[Erasmus]
"A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
[Thucydides]
"oriel36" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1178707059.420275.177460@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> " Draw a Meridian line upon a floor (the manner of doing which is
> sufficiently known; and note, that the utmost exactness herein is not
> necessary:) and then hang two plummets, each by a small thred or wire,
> directly over the said Meridian, at the distance of some 2. feet or
> more one from the other, as the smalness of the thred will admit. When
> the middle of the Sun (the Eye being placed so, as to bring both the
> threds into one line) appears to be in the same line exactly (for the
> better and more secure discerning whereof, you must be furnish't with
> a glass of a dark colour, or somewhat blackt with the smoak of a
> Candle,) you are then immediately to set the Watch, not precisely to
> the hour of 12. but by so much less, as is the Aequation of the day by
> the Table"
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> Monday elapses into Tuesday and then elapses into Wednesday by this
> means as the Equation of Time correction provides not just the
> standard pace of the daily cycle as 24 hours/86 400 seconds but also
> keeps these cycles turning constantly and fixed to noon.It was these
> two features which Huygens makes use of as the average 24 hour day was
> transfered to 'constant 'axial cycle thereby allowing the great
> correlation that keeps clocks and axial rotation in sync and allow a
> geographic seperation of 4 minutes clock time for each degree of
> geographical seperation.
>
> The dismay of seeing the dominance of the astrological justification*
> as opposed to the gorgeous views which Huygens represents hardly
> compensates from the fact that everybody today uses the principles
> which were devised by pre-Copernican and heliocentric astronomers,the
> former creating the equable 24 hour day and the latter exploiting the
> existing Equation of Time system to keep clocks and axial rotation in
> sync at 15 degrees per hour.
>
> Why would individuals choose to go with a creationist-type version of
> the axial cycle dictated by the human devised principles of the 24
> hour day and clocks. in the form, of the justification of the 23 hour
> 56 minute 04 second value by using the axial and orbital motions of
> the Earth ?.
>
> Surely there is one successful person out there with a sense that a
> serious,serious situation exists .All are astronomers by virtue that
> the axial and orbital cycles make existence possible and astronomy has
> rightly been held in the highest regard since humans started to take
> notice of and mark off these cycles.That this present generation would
> reject what has been known for millenia and not recognise the natural
> inequality in the daily cycle is bewildering and the 'sidereal'
> justification forces a location on Earth to rotate to the Sun in 24
> hours exactly -
>
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
>
> What can I say !,what have the great astronomers done to deserve
> having their works destroyed,not just Huygens,Copernicus,Kepler but
> also the great astronomical timekeepers who devised the systems which
> everybody uses today ?.
>
> Where does the neccessary responsibility come from or the actual
> authority that exists to recognise that the dominance of a cartoon
> framework for the Earth's motions is incredibly counter-productive for
> climatological studies.Perhaps I have tried too hard but what choice
> is there when the only thing that counts for individuals here is theri
> optics and magnification exercise.
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Date: 09 May 2007 16:03:32
From: Chris L Peterson
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:44:52 GMT, "M" <spam@spamme.com > wrote:
>I think this sidereal time keeping is rather insular and
>parochial..........surely we should move towards GALACTIC
>timekeeping........like yahrens, sectars, quatrons, sectons, cycles,
>centars, centons and microns.........makes just as much sense as Oriels
>recycled crap...........
It is clearly Gerald's intent that the entire Universe should be
following our "24-hour rotational time", not that we adapt to the
Universe.
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Date: 09 May 2007 07:16:10
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Determining 24 hour clock noon via natural noon.
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On May 9, 5:37 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Surely there is one successful person out there with a sense that a
> serious,serious situation exists.
No, there is not. Not even you.
Austin
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