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Date: 17 May 2007 16:52:11
From: Bar Kokhba
Subject: Castrate Homosexuals!
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Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
were a great degree wiser than they are today.
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Date: 18 May 2007 05:13:39
From: Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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Everyone note the list of fup2-groups and not reply to this pathetic troll.
Thank you. ;)
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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Date: 18 May 2007 12:28:53
From: Meteorite Debris
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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Last time that great scribe Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalDoom@yahoo.com >
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Jefferson also kept slaves. Should we do that too?
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Date: 18 May 2007 02:15:16
From: ike milligan
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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"Bar Kokhba" <ScreamingTemporalDoom@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:af80428098df8139268d52214eebba1f@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of
> Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
>
>
And did they castrate any homos? And did that improve anyone's life? So how
would that have made them wiser than people are today?
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Date: 17 May 2007 16:20:52
From: Anlatt the Builder
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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On May 17, 7:52 am, Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalD...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Yes, back then they kept slaves and had sex with them, and didn't let
women vote. It's been all downhill since then . . . .
In point of fact, the increasing efforts to give equal rights and
civil rights to people who were, at first, left out of the American
dream - blacks, other racial minorities, women, people with different
religions from the majority - has been one of the greatest
achievements of this nation. In the future, equal rights for gays will
be seen as part and parcel of these efforts.
And the churches fighting against it - many of whom, in previous
years, quoted the Bible chapter and verse to support second-class
legal and social status for blacks, women, and Jews, and are now busy
apologizing for it - will, once again, find themselves apologizing for
misusing the Bible to foster prejudice against gays. I wonder if
they'll have truly learned from history by then, or if they'll have
just moved on to another group?
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Date: 17 May 2007 15:22:40
From: ScottyFLL
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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On May 17, 10:52 am, Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalD...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Of course, women weren't really citizens and had almost no rights,
slavery and child abuse were rampant, many people still insisted that
the sun revolves around the earth, most people didn't get past the
eighth grade, medical science didn't exist, there was no
electricity....
Ah, the good ol' days, right? Wanna relive them? Here's a start:
throw your computer the fuck out the window, along with your
refrigerator, any medications, all voter registration cards issued to
any female stupid enough to live with you, and wash your filthy ass in
cold water and lye.
Let us know how that works for ya.
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Date: 17 May 2007 22:14:06
From: Andrealphus
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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In News af80428098df8139268d52214eebba1f@msgid.frell.theremailer.net,, Bar
Kokhba at ScreamingTemporalDoom@yahoo.com, typed this:
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of
> Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual
> sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration.
Well then, you should hop in your time machine and hightail it right back to
1779, or better yet, you could move into one of the great vacation spots
that still have such laws. Like Iran, or Egypt, or Rwanda.
Good luck with that!
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Date: 17 May 2007 12:48:48
From: jcon
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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On May 17, 9:52 am, Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalD...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration.
In all my googling, I've seldom come across a story with quite as many
versions as this. First of all, he introduced the bill in question as
a
delegate in 1778, before he became governor:
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendVIIIs10.html
Second, the bill is not limited to "homosexual sodomy". The exact
wording of the clause is:
"Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy
with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by
castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of
her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least."
Legally, the word "sodomy" has always referred to *anything*
besides "the ol' in out, in out", which is pretty much the reason
sodomy laws have been dropping like flies. Since you are
so excited about castration for homosexuals, I take it you approve
pf the dual punishments prescribed for a man and a woman
engaged in a casual blowjob.
> There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred.
In fact, he was probably accused of being a "liberal" for not
going with the more typical punishment of death.
Chances are, he was also considered a liberal for limiting the
number of whippings for an accused witch to 15.
> Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
The bill also contains special punishments for slaves,
which he of course owned. I take it you're behind that,
as well?
He also had opinions about miscegenation:
"The amalgamation of whites with blacks produces
a degradation to which no lover of his country, no
lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently
consent." (T. Jefferson, 1814)
However, this did not stop him from dipping his wick in Sally
Hemmings' ink at every opportunity.
-jc
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Date: 17 May 2007 10:54:16
From: Conspiracy of Doves
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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On May 17, 10:52 am, Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalD...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
> history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
> in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
> penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
> the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
> were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Right, what with keeping slaves and everything.
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Date: 17 May 2007 14:55:31
From: Eugene Griessel
Subject: Re: Castrate Homosexuals!
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Bar Kokhba <ScreamingTemporalDoom@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not,
>history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia,
>in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the
>penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at
>the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then
>were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Yep. They kept slaves too. Much wiser.
Eugene L Griessel
Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from
acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham
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